Pakistan "overprint" ?
I have a 1961 Pakistan Service overprint which appears to have an
additional "overprint" or perhaps a cancellation applied in blue ink by a rubber stamp (?). The stamp is off-paper but the op reads AFFARABA - but there may be additional letters before or after as the word extends over the complete stamp. It is only a 15p stamp so unless it is from an envelope with several stamps it is unlikely to be "registered" which was my first thought. Incidentally there is no "conventional" black postmark thereon. Any information,inspiration or just plain guesses gratefully received ! Malcolm |
Pakistan "overprint" ?
On Mar 21, 4:27 am, malcolm wrote:
I have a 1961 Pakistan Service overprint which appears to have an additional "overprint" or perhaps a cancellation applied in blue ink by a rubber stamp (?). The stamp is off-paper but the op reads AFFARABA - but there may be additional letters before or after as the word extends over the complete stamp. It is only a 15p stamp so unless it is from an envelope with several stamps it is unlikely to be "registered" which was my first thought. Incidentally there is no "conventional" black postmark thereon. Any information,inspiration or just plain guesses gratefully received ! Malcolm Could you possibly post a hi-res scan to cjoint or similar site? Blair |
Pakistan "overprint" ?
Hi Blair
Sorry no can do. My scanner is connected, the scanner programme is up and running but for some reason it will not work. I am waiting for the non-resident "boffin" ( son's girlfriend !!) to come and look, but for your further info. the mark is upper case ( capital ) letters and is reminiscent of the "Druchsache" and "prioritee" markings applied by some European countries but is across the stamp rather than on an envelope - but this could be deliberate or accidental - letters are 4.5 mm tall and in "stamp-pad" blue ink - it is definitely hand- stamped IMHO. I am puzzled why the marking is in "English" rather than Bengali script - as an official stamp surely it's use is likely to be restricted to within Bangladesh as a communication from a Goverment department to a company or individual ? Malcolm On Mar 21, 2:43*pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Mar 21, 4:27 am, malcolm wrote: I have a 1961 Pakistan *Service overprint which appears to have an additional "overprint" or perhaps a cancellation applied in blue ink by a rubber stamp (?). The stamp is off-paper but the op reads AFFARABA - but there may be additional letters before or after as the word extends over the complete stamp. It is only a 15p stamp so unless it is from an envelope with several stamps it is unlikely to be "registered" which was my first thought. Incidentally there is no "conventional" black postmark thereon. Any information,inspiration or just plain guesses gratefully received ! Malcolm Could you possibly post a hi-res scan to cjoint or similar site? Blair |
Pakistan "overprint" ?
On Mar 21, 1:44 pm, malcolm wrote:
Hi Blair Sorry no can do. My scanner is connected, the scanner programme is up and running but for some reason it will not work. I am waiting for the non-resident "boffin" ( son's girlfriend !!) to come and look, but for your further info. the mark is upper case ( capital ) letters and is reminiscent of the "Druchsache" and "prioritee" markings applied by some European countries but is across the stamp rather than on an envelope - but this could be deliberate or accidental - letters are 4.5 mm tall and in "stamp-pad" blue ink - it is definitely hand- stamped IMHO. I am puzzled why the marking is in "English" rather than Bengali script - as an official stamp surely it's use is likely to be restricted to within Bangladesh as a communication from a Goverment department to a company or individual ? Malcolm On Mar 21, 2:43 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Mar 21, 4:27 am, malcolm wrote: I have a 1961 Pakistan Service overprint which appears to have an additional "overprint" or perhaps a cancellation applied in blue ink by a rubber stamp (?). The stamp is off-paper but the op reads AFFARABA - but there may be additional letters before or after as the word extends over the complete stamp. It is only a 15p stamp so unless it is from an envelope with several stamps it is unlikely to be "registered" which was my first thought. Incidentally there is no "conventional" black postmark thereon. Any information,inspiration or just plain guesses gratefully received ! Malcolm Could you possibly post a hi-res scan to cjoint or similar site? Blair During the early Bangladesh days, there were literally hundreds of locally made hand stamps used on Pakistan stamps using whatever stamp pads were to hand. These were done in English, or Bengali, or bilingually. There were probably a multitude of similar devices used (with other than Bangladesh) and I have seen no comprehensive catalogue of this material. Blair |
(RCSD) Pakistan "overprint" ?
On Mar 21, 5:29 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote:
On Mar 21, 1:44 pm, malcolm wrote: Hi Blair Sorry no can do. My scanner is connected, the scanner programme is up and running but for some reason it will not work. I am waiting for the non-resident "boffin" ( son's girlfriend !!) to come and look, but for your further info. the mark is upper case ( capital ) letters and is reminiscent of the "Druchsache" and "prioritee" markings applied by some European countries but is across the stamp rather than on an envelope - but this could be deliberate or accidental - letters are 4.5 mm tall and in "stamp-pad" blue ink - it is definitely hand- stamped IMHO. I am puzzled why the marking is in "English" rather than Bengali script - as an official stamp surely it's use is likely to be restricted to within Bangladesh as a communication from a Goverment department to a company or individual ? Malcolm On Mar 21, 2:43 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Mar 21, 4:27 am, malcolm wrote: I have a 1961 Pakistan Service overprint which appears to have an additional "overprint" or perhaps a cancellation applied in blue ink by a rubber stamp (?). The stamp is off-paper but the op reads AFFARABA - but there may be additional letters before or after as the word extends over the complete stamp. It is only a 15p stamp so unless it is from an envelope with several stamps it is unlikely to be "registered" which was my first thought. Incidentally there is no "conventional" black postmark thereon. Any information,inspiration or just plain guesses gratefully received ! Malcolm Could you possibly post a hi-res scan to cjoint or similar site? Blair During the early Bangladesh days, there were literally hundreds of locally made hand stamps used on Pakistan stamps using whatever stamp pads were to hand. These were done in English, or Bengali, or bilingually. There were probably a multitude of similar devices used (with other than Bangladesh) and I have seen no comprehensive catalogue of this material. Blair |
(RCSD) Pakistan "overprint" ?
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:40:56 -0700 (PDT), "Blair (TC)"
wrote: Yep. Too many jokes sent out in e-mails. His computer is backing up and overflowing... On Mar 21, 5:29 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Mar 21, 1:44 pm, malcolm wrote: Hi Blair Sorry no can do. My scanner is connected, the scanner programme is up and running but for some reason it will not work. I am waiting for the non-resident "boffin" ( son's girlfriend !!) to come and look, but for your further info. the mark is upper case ( capital ) letters and is reminiscent of the "Druchsache" and "prioritee" markings applied by some European countries but is across the stamp rather than on an envelope - but this could be deliberate or accidental - letters are 4.5 mm tall and in "stamp-pad" blue ink - it is definitely hand- stamped IMHO. I am puzzled why the marking is in "English" rather than Bengali script - as an official stamp surely it's use is likely to be restricted to within Bangladesh as a communication from a Goverment department to a company or individual ? Malcolm On Mar 21, 2:43 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Mar 21, 4:27 am, malcolm wrote: I have a 1961 Pakistan Service overprint which appears to have an additional "overprint" or perhaps a cancellation applied in blue ink by a rubber stamp (?). The stamp is off-paper but the op reads AFFARABA - but there may be additional letters before or after as the word extends over the complete stamp. It is only a 15p stamp so unless it is from an envelope with several stamps it is unlikely to be "registered" which was my first thought. Incidentally there is no "conventional" black postmark thereon. Any information,inspiration or just plain guesses gratefully received ! Malcolm Could you possibly post a hi-res scan to cjoint or similar site? Blair During the early Bangladesh days, there were literally hundreds of locally made hand stamps used on Pakistan stamps using whatever stamp pads were to hand. These were done in English, or Bengali, or bilingually. There were probably a multitude of similar devices used (with other than Bangladesh) and I have seen no comprehensive catalogue of this material. Blair |
(RCSD) Pakistan "overprint" ?
On Mar 21, 10:53 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:40:56 -0700 (PDT), "Blair (TC)" wrote: Yep. Too many jokes sent out in e-mails. His computer is backing up and overflowing... Hardly. I was updating the subject lines with (RCSD). |
(RCSD) Pakistan "overprint" ?
Blair
Re. The early handstamps - all the info I have ( which I admit is sparse) indicates that these were used as o/p s on Pakistan stamps in the very early days of independence. The period is right the stamp being from the last redrawn series of this long-running definitives set. This particular stamp was first issued in 1964 and the next definitives were not issued until after Bangladeshi independence and so the stamp would have been in stock in East Pakistan post offices at the time. While this is not conclusive your theory is very attractive, and it now falls to me to ascertain whether the lettering is an extract of the Bengali word for independence or a town or village in Bangladesh. Although this is a handstamp it appears to be quite neat and has been applied with some care, and is quite even and regular and not the result of a "John Bull" type child's printing set, but a quite sophisticated handstamp as used in government or commercial offices for example. The ink on the otherhand is of the appearance of ordinary "pen" ink and not ink-pad ink if you get my drift? - so this again would accord with your theory- a quite good quality handstamp ( or at least the letters thereof ), from an established office coupled with a possible shortage of "consumables" as experienced in a war zone. As I said this is not conclusive but it points me in a possible fruitful direction for further research. If I find out anything definite I will post again. Malcolm On Mar 22, 4:56*am, "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Mar 21, 10:53 pm, wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:40:56 -0700 (PDT), "Blair (TC)" wrote: Yep. *Too many jokes sent out in e-mails. *His computer is backing up and overflowing... Hardly. *I was updating the subject lines with (RCSD). |
(RCSD) Pakistan "overprint" ?
"malcolm" FYI Blair's earlier reponse on these 30th July 2006 there may be something to assist. MP wrote: Hi, I have some Pakistan stamps, overprinted with "Bangladesh" in different types. I know, that they were issued in 1971 after independence of Bangladesh. Do you know an internet address, where are these stamps listed, with pictures, that I can separate the different types. Maybe I can find in which cities these stamps were issued. I tried Google, but did not find a good homepage. Best wishes from Germany Manuel ) Hello Manuel: Immediately after the establishment of Bangladesh's Government , the post office could not afford printing new stamps for Bangladesh. Instead, they overprinted Pakistani stamps and postal stationery with the new country name "BANGLADESH". (valid March 26, 1971 until April 30, 1973) http://knegal.8m.com/2003/May/Bangla...tamponPak1.jpg http://knegal.8m.com/2003/May/Bangla...tamponPak2.jpg The overprints we in English only (as shown at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/~mariamma/tak-p11i.jpg and http://www.malariastamps.com/images/...amp2_z_z.jpg); in both English and Bengali letters (see: http://www.malariastamps.com/images/...Stamp4_z_z.jpg and http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/99/f7/f8_1.JPG) ; and in Bengali letters only (see: http://i6.ebayimg.com/01/i/07/ca/e4/9a_1_b.JPG ). In the latter half of 1972, new Bangladeshi stamps were provided to post offices in the country. As a result, in 1973, Pakistani stamps, even with "BANGLADESH" overprints, became invalid throughout Bangladesh. I also collect these overprints and have several hundred varieties. Unfortunately. I could not find a good web site (I was looking a couple of years ago) or catalogue of these overprints. I am not sure if Stanley Gibbons Stamp Catalogue: Bangladesh, Pakistan & Sri Lanka, lists the overprints. http://cgi.ebay.com/Bangladesh-Pakis...QQcmdZViewItem None of the catalog makers seem to want to touch these stamps because of the major scope of cataloging the overprints. There were 14 former eastern districts plus a few others and all issued their own handstamps. I guess, that when order was restored and regular stamps were issued, they threw away the overprint devices and thus no combined record of who or where had that particular handstamp seems to exist. Blair |
(RCSD) Pakistan "overprint" ?
I suspect it might be part of 'Muzaffarabad' - the capital of Azad
(Pakistani-controlled) Kashmir. Though quite why it should have been stamped a stamp, I can't suggest. Tony of the Antipodes |
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