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Old August 15th 05, 02:13 PM
Rob
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I am considering buying some vintage Yard-O-Led's and have been trying
to locate a web site or publication that descirbes history of their
manufacture and what the various hallmarks on the vintage pens mean.

So far, I have found nothing. Can anyone help me out with a ponter?

Thanks,
Rob

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Old August 15th 05, 02:54 PM
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In message . com, Rob
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I am considering buying some vintage Yard-O-Led's and have been trying
to locate a web site or publication that descirbes history of their
manufacture and what the various hallmarks on the vintage pens mean.

So far, I have found nothing. Can anyone help me out with a ponter?

Thanks,
Rob

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They were originally made by a firm called Mordan, which was bombed out
during WWII. If you type the word Mordan into Google you will find
lots of info.
HTH
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Old August 16th 05, 01:57 AM
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June Hughes wrote:
They were originally made by a firm called Mordan, which was bombed out
during WWII. If you type the word Mordan into Google you will find
lots of info.
HTH


Not quite correct. Let me quote Sue Courtier, Jane Marshall, and Jim
Marshall's wonderful, fact-packed book, "Collectible Pencils."
"Y-o-L was founded in 1934 by L. F. Brenner...After being bombed out
of business in 1941 they started again in 1946...In 1955 they
acquired Edward Baker and thereby the Mordan company patents..."

So Y-o-L acquired the company that had acquired Mordan, not the
other way around. Y-o-L pencils were not made by Mordan.

From the same source, "Hall marked [sic] pencils bear makers' names
JM & Co, Johnson Matthey & Co, E.B., Edward Baker and Y.O.L. Yard
O'Led."

HTH,
Mark Z.
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Old August 16th 05, 10:59 AM
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In message , mz
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June Hughes wrote:
They were originally made by a firm called Mordan, which was bombed
out during WWII. If you type the word Mordan into Google you will
find lots of info.
HTH


Not quite correct. Let me quote Sue Courtier, Jane Marshall, and Jim
Marshall's wonderful, fact-packed book, "Collectible Pencils." "Y-o-L
was founded in 1934 by L. F. Brenner...After being bombed out of
business in 1941 they started again in 1946...In 1955 they acquired
Edward Baker and thereby the Mordan company patents..."

So Y-o-L acquired the company that had acquired Mordan, not the other
way around. Y-o-L pencils were not made by Mordan.

From the same source, "Hall marked [sic] pencils bear makers' names JM
& Co, Johnson Matthey & Co, E.B., Edward Baker and Y.O.L. Yard O'Led."

Thank-you for the information. If you simply type 'Yard-O-Lead' into
Google you get no history at all - just lots of people trying to sell
pens. OTOH, If you type Mordan, you get a great deal of info.

For example if you look at the following:

http://www.jimgaston.com/faq.htm

Of course the info may be incorrect....................
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Old August 16th 05, 02:24 PM
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Mark - Does the "Collectible Pencils" book explain the various
hallmarks and how to date and authenticate YoL mechanical pencils? This
may be the book I've been looking for.

June - Thanks for the link and tip on Mordan. It provided some
information but a Google still yields a lot of people selling Mordan
pens. There needs to be a 'no sales/auctions' option.

Rob

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Old August 16th 05, 05:36 PM
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Mark - Does the "Collectible Pencils" book explain the various
hallmarks and how to date and authenticate YoL mechanical pencils? This
may be the book I've been looking for.

June - Thanks for the link and tip on Mordan. It provided some
information but a Google still yields a lot of people selling Mordan
pens. There needs to be a 'no sales/auctions' option.

Yes indeed. I looked up Yard-o-lead Ltd on the Companies House site and
it filed dormant accounts last year, so must just be kept to protect the
name now.
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Old August 17th 05, 06:13 AM
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Rob wrote:

Mark - Does the "Collectible Pencils" book explain the various
hallmarks and how to date and authenticate YoL mechanical pencils? This
may be the book I've been looking for.


Sorry, Rob, it doesn't. I understand there are registries for
hallmarks, but I'm not familiar with them.

June - Thanks for the link and tip on Mordan. It provided some
information but a Google still yields a lot of people selling Mordan
pens. There needs to be a 'no sales/auctions' option.


You might try the advanced search to exclude terms. Looking at the
summaries of some of the pages you're not interested should give
some hints as to terms.

HTH,
Mark Z.
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Old August 17th 05, 06:13 AM
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June Hughes wrote:

Yes indeed. I looked up Yard-o-lead Ltd on the Companies House site and
it filed dormant accounts last year, so must just be kept to protect the
name now.


Could it be because the proper spelling is Yard-O-Led with no "a" in
led? While I know nothing of the Y-O-L financial status, the Writing
Equipment Society (UK) commissioned a hallmarked silver FP to
commemorate its 25th anniversary. Orders were due by the end of June
with delivery expected in October. Nothing has been said about a
pending demise of the company. Of course this doesn't mean that
something hasn't happened.

Mark Z.
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Old August 17th 05, 07:49 AM
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In message , mz
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June Hughes wrote:

Yes indeed. I looked up Yard-o-lead Ltd on the Companies House site
and it filed dormant accounts last year, so must just be kept to
protect the name now.


Could it be because the proper spelling is Yard-O-Led with no "a" in
led? While I know nothing of the Y-O-L financial status, the Writing
Equipment Society (UK) commissioned a hallmarked silver FP to
commemorate its 25th anniversary. Orders were due by the end of June
with delivery expected in October. Nothing has been said about a
pending demise of the company. Of course this doesn't mean that
something hasn't happened.

Being pedantic, Yard-o-Led is the name of the dormant company listed.
There is no actual company called Yard-o-Lead. I suspect a holding
company now produces the pens etc and the original company is kept
merely to protect the name, as already stated. That makes sense. I am
sure there is no expected 'demise', and have never said anything of the
sort. I cannot understand why you thought there should be.
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Old August 17th 05, 02:09 PM
mz
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June Hughes wrote:

Being pedantic, Yard-o-Led is the name of the dormant company listed.
There is no actual company called Yard-o-Lead. I suspect a holding
company now produces the pens etc and the original company is kept
merely to protect the name, as already stated. That makes sense. I am
sure there is no expected 'demise', and have never said anything of the
sort. I cannot understand why you thought there should be.


Just an erroneous conclusion drawn from terms unfamiliar to me. I
equated "looked up Yard-o-lead Ltd on the *Companies House site* and
it filed *dormant accounts*" [emphasis added] in your original with
receivership or bankruptcy. Could you explain what the above means?

TIA,
Mark Z.
 




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