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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:06:28 -0400, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:26:47 GMT, Earl Camembert wrote: Now that you mention it, he could be using a Crayola Crayon ! ;-) Yes it is a crayon, they don't trust him with sharp objects. Can we talk about pens? If you want to display your political brilliance, there are plenty of other groups on the server. You do understand this is USNET. I am being on my absolute best behavior. You should stop in on some of the other groups I frequent. Of course there is the kill-file. But no one kill-files Earl. They don't want to miss one of Earl's pearls. |
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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:21:04 GMT, Earl Camembert
wrote: On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 05:56:14 GMT, Ron Wilbanks wrote: During an interview last night with a former White House staff member during the Reagan Administration, he mentioned that Ronald always had a lot of pens on hand that he was fond of. Some of them were gifts from foreign dignitaries and friends from all over the world. I am curious, what kinds of pens did he mostly use and what kind of fountain pen did he sign important bills and documents with? I think somebody once commented on here that he did an advertisement for a pen company in the 1940s? Interestingly, I see that President Bush never uses a fountain pen, preferring a rollerball or a ballpoint? Ronald Reagan pen http://www.hailtothechiefs.com/RRpen.jpg Bill Clinton pen http://www.hailtothechiefs.com/pen_19a.jpg Nixon pen http://www.hailtothechiefs.com/Nixon...20in%20Box.JPG Bush the elder http://www.hailtothechiefs.com/BUSHPEN.jpg Bush the lesser http://www.hailtothechiefs.com/GWBPensBox.jpg When the Japanese signed the surrender aboard the Battle Ship Missouri General MacAarthur use his own personal pen. An Orange Parker Duofold, it was twenty years old at the time. Parker fairly recently made a Limited Edition copy of 1945 unites. Get it one thousand nine hundred and forty five. http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...01/ac04627.jpg Notice the General does not take his eye off his pen. http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...00/g332701.jpg now that is class. I still have not gotten that pen in my collection. "1945 - Parker pens are used to sign the agreement that surrenders the German and Italian forces in Northwest Italy. General Dwight D. Eisenhower uses his Parker 51 to sign the Armistice that ends World War II on the European front, and aboard the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay, General Douglas MacArthur uses his own 20-year-old Parker Duofold to sign the surrender document that ends World War II in the Pacific." |
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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:06:36 -0400, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:31:35 GMT, Earl Camembert wrote: Can we talk about pens? If you want to display your political brilliance, there are plenty of other groups on the server. You do understand this is USNET {sic}. You do understand this is alt.collecting.pens-pencils? I am being on my absolute best behavior. My condolences to your family. But look to the bright side, perhaps your medical policy covers psychiatric services. [...] Of course there is the kill-file. But no one kill-files Earl. They don't want to miss one of Earl's pearls. Allow me to be the first. *Plonk.* Plonk what a man. Now I can talk abut him and he will never know. I can see why he is upset. Must be about Ike using a Parker 51 to make his kind sign the papers. For a people that love war they don't win very many. I pithy the people from over ther, they are not only jealous of US but a little bit afraid. May be a lot afraid. I guess I would be also. I live in the US and I'm afraid of US. I just changed my mind about MB 149 and 146 pens. All MB are no good, not much form there is any good. Any body want four 149 and two 146s? Don't say twenty five dollars. |
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"Fred" wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:26:47 GMT, Earl Camembert wrote: Now that you mention it, he could be using a Crayola Crayon ! ;-) Yes it is a crayon, they don't trust him with sharp objects. Can we talk about pens? If you want to display your political brilliance, there are plenty of other groups on the server. We have become so intolerant in some areas; that bit of sarcasm doesn't seem so outrageous. I can think of several threads that went way OT without such serious criticism. |
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One of the Diretors at Parker once told me that Reagan was the first and
only president who had ever specifically asked for a ball point: They always used to supply fountain pens for these ceremonies. OTOH I suppose they ALL use ball points nowadays as giveaways? Which is even odder if you think about it as a FP giveaway is so much classier than the 2c ball points I have seen used this way. Those ball points ALWAYS look cheap and nasty? (or in the case of the Cross, they are so small that they look totally inconsequential when taken out of their presentation box) I suppose the vaguely inexpensive fountain pens which are actively marketed are mostly made by Pilot these days? Licensed to Quill "James Goodwin" wrote in message om... Ron Wilbanks wrote in message .com... During an interview last night with a former White House staff member during the Reagan Administration, he mentioned that Ronald always had a lot of pens on hand that he was fond of. Some of them were gifts from foreign dignitaries and friends from all over the world. I am curious, what kinds of pens did he mostly use and what kind of fountain pen did he sign important bills and documents with? I think somebody once commented on here that he did an advertisement for a pen company in the 1940s? Interestingly, I see that President Bush never uses a fountain pen, preferring a rollerball or a ballpoint? I had the same thought as you did. FYI, look at website Parker75 and you will get some information about Parker pens he used. The 1987 INF treaty was signed with specially made Parker Keepsake sterling silver pens in wooden boxes with both leaders names engraved on the side of the cap. I am curious as to where the pen with Gorbachev's name is located. (Both Reagan and Gorbachev exchanged pens after signing the treaty when Gorbachev initiated the request and Reagan graciously reciprocated.) Is it in the Reagan Museum or is it in his personal effects at his Bel Air home? It would be nice if Gorbachev donated his Reagan pen to the Reagan Library where both pens could reside in perpetual display in their boxes alongside each other below the explanation of this event. FYI, the Parker Pen company was the preferred supplier of pens to the White House which were used for bill signers and gifts to foreign dignataries and friends. I presume that Reagan had every opportunity to sample the company's products and did take advantage of the opportunity as I am sure thatt he pen he used in the office was a Parker product. I do not know what kind he used or preferred to use - fountain pens, roller balls or ball points. I checked website for Reagan library to see if they had a collection of the pens he used in his duties or even as gifts from world leaders. Much to my disappointment, there is no mention of such in the website. The only way to get an answer is to have one of the penlovers in the California area pay a visit to the Reagan library to see if such a colleciton exists in the display or even in the storage areas and report to the rest of us on his or her findings. In another related search of Richard Nixon who was a lover of Parker pens, I was not able to find out if his pen collection survived intact to be displayed in the museum. I recall from memory that someone who owns a restaurant in Whittier has a glass display of the pens Richard Nixon used in the White House and the pens may range from the mundane to the exotic as Nixon sampled a lot of the Parker products that came his way through the White House. Parker used to be the preferred supplier of pens to the White House until they closed shop in Janesville, Wisconsin and moved to Newhaven, England. Now Cross has replaced Parker as the preferred pen supplier as they manufacture pens in Rhode Island. So, we do need confirmation of this from local penlovers in California who would be willing to check things out and report back to us on this newsgroup. To answer the question about Bush, he uses Cross rollerball pens as bill signers or daily writers. They are blue with his name printed along the cap. Guess he prefers the ease and cleaniless of a rollerball as to a fountain pen which requires maintance to keep it clog free. James K. Goodwin |
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Earl Camembert writes:
Plonk what a man. Now I can talk abut him and he will never know. I can see why he is upset. Must be about Ike using a Parker 51 to make his kind sign the papers. For a people that love war they don't win very many. I pithy the people from over ther, they are not only jealous of US but a little bit afraid. May be a lot afraid. I guess I would be also. I live in the US and I'm afraid of US. I just changed my mind about MB 149 and 146 pens. All MB are no good, not much form there is any good. Any body want four 149 and two 146s? Don't say twenty five dollars. You're rather strange, there, Royalty of Cheeses. Your opinions have much in common with Sheldon, although your writing style is more coherent. |
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:00:29 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote: Earl Camembert writes: Plonk what a man. Now I can talk abut him and he will never know. I can see why he is upset. Must be about Ike using a Parker 51 to make his kind sign the papers. For a people that love war they don't win very many. I pithy the people from over ther, they are not only jealous of US but a little bit afraid. May be a lot afraid. I guess I would be also. I live in the US and I'm afraid of US. I just changed my mind about MB 149 and 146 pens. All MB are no good, not much form there is any good. Any body want four 149 and two 146s? Don't say twenty five dollars. You're rather strange, there, Royalty of Cheeses. Your opinions have much in common with Sheldon, although your writing style is more coherent. Would you believe I am on my ABSOLUTE best behavior in this group? Lord give me strength. |
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On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 05:56:14 GMT, Ron Wilbanks
wrote: Interestingly, I see that President Bush never uses a fountain pen, preferring a rollerball or a ballpoint? But I like the way that he's replaced the Great Seal with a potato(e) print. |
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Check our John Loring's presidential pens site http://www.loringpage.com/attpensetc...tialpage1.html Interesting aspect of pen collecting. If anyone interestred I have LBJ bill signer for sale. The sweet eversharp felt tip with the white house seal embossed, LBJ's sig in a special presidential seal box. NOS bill signers that were given framed with the bills to the functionaries who helped formulate the bill. From the estate of a Johnson confidant. Backchannel for details Have a bit of genuine Americana history in your hand and pen collection. Dov "Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 05:56:14 GMT, Ron Wilbanks wrote: Interestingly, I see that President Bush never uses a fountain pen, preferring a rollerball or a ballpoint? But I like the way that he's replaced the Great Seal with a potato(e) print. |
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