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My first jukebox bought today
I just bought my first Jukebox this evening. It is a Seeburg 1-48ML. (does anyone know what the "L" stands for)? It looks to be complete but has not seen a wall outlet in 5 or 6 years and at that time it did not work. I know little to nothing about the inner workings but I know not to put power on the juke. Can someone tell me what is my next step? Do I just start buying new parts untill all are replaced or what?
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My first jukebox bought today
Par4n1 wrote:
I just bought my first Jukebox this evening. It is a Seeburg 1-48ML. (does anyone know what the "L" stands for)? It looks to be complete but has not seen a wall outlet in 5 or 6 years and at that time it did not work. I know little to nothing about the inner workings but I know not to put power on the juke. Can someone tell me what is my next step? Do I just start buying new parts untill all are replaced or what? Thank you, Congratulations on your acquisition. Jukes are a lot of fun, and can provide hours of enjoyment, both for the tinkerer and the music lover. First on your list of things to do is get the service manual. You will want to familiarize yourself with the sequence of operations as well as the nomenclature of the various parts so you can be helpful when describing symptoms or posing questions when you find a willing expert to guide you in restoration/refurbishment. You can get a service/parts manual set from Victory Glass or Always Jukin' Magazine. http://www.victoryglass.com http://www.2nd-sight.com/alwaysjukin/default.htm In addition, if you are interested in reading about jukeboxes, you might want to subscribe to Always Jukin'. I enjoy getting my copy each month and reading the columns by Harold Hagen ("Dr. Know-it-all"), who has probably repaired more different types of jukeboxes than anybody on the planet! There are also lots of advertisers you will probably want to know about. You are correct, and very wise not to plug the machine in without doing some "due diligence" first, as the amplifier undoubtedly has some dried out capacitors that must be replaced before giving it power. You can either send the amp out to be re-capped, or if you are handy with a soldering iron, do it yourself. The service manual will have a schematic and parts list for the amplifier, so you can know what caps to buy, or you can just buy a kit of caps with a schematic from www.verntisdale.com/Seeburgpage.htm While you are in there replacing capacitors, check the values of the resistors, some of the high-value ones will probably have drifted in value over the years, and of course check out the tubes and clean the controls and contacts. Once the amplifier is safely out of the jukebox, you will probably want to start cleaning, checking out and lubricating the mechanical parts. I don't know if there are any books that deal specifically with the Trashcan series of Seeburgs, but Always Jukin' offers some books of compilations of Dr. Know-it-all's columns devoted to specific brands, so maybe the Seeburg Reference Book #1 would be good to get. How are the red side plastics on yours? I think repros are still available, if yours are original (and they have shrunken or warped). I understand they need some fiddling and trimming to fit, but the end result is supposed to be good. The 148 was the last year for the Trashcan (and the Symphonola mechanism), and was an aluminum cabinet, as opposed to the wood of the 146 and early 147 models. Is the fake "wood-grain" design on yours in good shape? If so, consider yourself lucky. Is it still a 78-RPM machine, or was it converted to 45-RPM? Good luck, Seeburgs are a lot of fun, I have a couple of later ones I have fixed up, and a forlorn 148 in storage that needs some love! --Bob |
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My first jukebox bought today
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:26:35 +0100, Par4n1
wrote: I just bought my first Jukebox this evening. It is a Seeburg 1-48ML. (does anyone know what the "L" stands for)? It looks to be complete but has not seen a wall outlet in 5 or 6 years and at that time it did not work. I know little to nothing about the inner workings but I know not to put power on the juke. Can someone tell me what is my next step? Do I just start buying new parts untill all are replaced or what? Thank you, Welcome to a new hobby. Jukeboxes are great fun and give years of enjoyment. I purchased an older Rock-OLA jukebox last year and quickly came to the realization that keeping it running was a little more work than I had expected. It looked great and I enjoyed playing the 45s but I thought I could get more from my investment. I opted to upgrade it to a new digital interface. Although I could have added the new system without removing the internal record equipment, I chose to replace the entire mechanism with a self contained digital unit (simple PC and touch screen monitor). It didn't take long to do the conversion and the cost was fairly reasonable. Since then the maintenance cost and headaches have dropped to zero. This was a great choice for my old Rock-OLA because I didn't lose the look, feel and nostalgia of my 70's keepsake. What I gained was the ability to play my old records, cassettes, and CDs plus the MP3's I've purchased online. As a side bonus I can now listen to internet radio stations while I'm converting my old vinyl to the new digital format. Check out the JukeTime site (www.juketime.com). They sell a powerful user interface that comes with a fairly detailed retrofit manual. Good luck with your new jukebox. Steve |
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Par4 nl scribbled;
"Par4n1" wrote in message ... I just bought my first Jukebox this evening. It is a Seeburg 1-48ML. (does anyone know what the "L" stands for)? It looks to be complete but has not seen a wall outlet in 5 or 6 years and at that time it did not work. I know little to nothing about the inner workings but I know not to put power on the juke. Can someone tell me what is my next step? Do I just start buying new parts untill all are replaced or what? Thank you, If you remove the mech use two people!... It is quite heavy and fragile! The juke is top heavy with the with the chassis removed from the juke... rebuild the amp, selection unit clean and lube the mech..............GC -- Par4n1 |
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On Apr 3, 9:51 pm, Steve wrote:
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:26:35 +0100, Par4n1 wrote: I just bought my first Jukebox this evening. It is a Seeburg 1-48ML. (does anyone know what the "L" stands for)? It looks to be complete but has not seen a wall outlet in 5 or 6 years and at that time it did not work. I know little to nothing about the inner workings but I know not to put power on the juke. Can someone tell me what is my next step? Do I just start buying new parts untill all are replaced or what? Thank you, Welcome to a new hobby. Jukeboxes are great fun and give years of enjoyment. I purchased an older Rock-OLA jukebox last year and quickly came to the realization that keeping it running was a little more work than I had expected. It looked great and I enjoyed playing the 45s but I thought I could get more from my investment. I opted to upgrade it to a new digital interface. Although I could have added the new system without removing the internal record equipment, I chose to replace the entire mechanism with a self contained digital unit (simple PC and touch screen monitor). It didn't take long to do the conversion and the cost was fairly reasonable. Since then the maintenance cost and headaches have dropped to zero. This was a great choice for my old Rock-OLA because I didn't lose the look, feel and nostalgia of my 70's keepsake. What I gained was the ability to play my old records, cassettes, and CDs plus the MP3's I've purchased online. As a side bonus I can now listen to internet radio stations while I'm converting my old vinyl to the new digital format. Check out the JukeTime site (www.juketime.com). They sell a powerful user interface that comes with a fairly detailed retrofit manual. Good luck with your new jukebox. Steve You must love this juke you built you tell often of it |
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My first jukebox bought today
You got a good deal . The hard part now is wading through all the other
peoples methods of restoring things . I have been restoring things for 40 years . The worst thing a new person to this can do is take things all apart and replace multiple parts before it is plugged in and tested . Many mistakes can be made , simple ones such as getting wires in the wrong places . The very best way is to at least do enough servicing to make the jukebox work , then start doing restoration and check your work by operating it to make sure those steps have no mistakes and if they do its far easier to find them . All the jukeboxes i have restored worked without the amplifier part powered on so one can service and restore the mechanics and the amp separate . Good luck ! |
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On Apr 6, 4:12 pm, (Ken G.) wrote:
You got a good deal . The hard part now is wading through all the other peoples methods of restoring things . I have been restoring things for 40 years . The worst thing a new person to this can do is take things all apart and replace multiple parts before it is plugged in and tested . Many mistakes can be made , simple ones such as getting wires in the wrong places . The very best way is to at least do enough servicing to make the jukebox work , then start doing restoration and check your work by operating it to make sure those steps have no mistakes and if they do its far easier to find them . All the jukeboxes i have restored worked without the amplifier part powered on so one can service and restore the mechanics and the amp separate . Good luck ! The exception to that would be the "Jupiter" machines (French made pieces of S**t from the 60's. The mute relay inside the valve amplifier forms part of a series circuit with the mechanism, and IIRC the machine will keep cancelling as soon as the record sets down if this relay is left out of the circuit. (by disconnecting amplifier) Disconnecting the valve plate and heater voltages is recommended though, I think they were on a separate plug (its been 20 years, so check first) as you dont want to find out the hard way that you have a filter cap thats gone low impedence etc. All advice I would agree with, if you dont want to make lots of problems later on. Another good idea, before you start is to check and replace all of the internal mains wiring, a lot of it was that ****ty old rubber cable (possibly with cloth outer insulation over the rubber in some cases), with insulation that goes brittle with age, and falls apart when disturbed, creating the perfect scenario for an unwanted electric shock and/or short circuit. Low voltage cables (24v) seem to not give these problems). |
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