US dollar minting question

per my usual habits, the last time we visited the bank for a transaction
I requested some halves, $2 bills and any dollar coins for change.

We got a full roll of Andrew Johnsons, wrapper also marked as such.
Since I usually get a mix of nice to circulated loose coins, we usually
just spot check them to see whats in the mix and then spend spend spend.

This Time since I had a clean roll of BU coins I gave the entire group a
nice looking over.

One thing I had noted in the past but never pursued looking into was the
rim marking orientation. What are the steps taken to do the rim
markings? Are the rims done before or after the coins are pressed?
I ask this because its very obvious that they take no care as to which
side of the coin blank is the Face compared to the rim markings.
With a stack of coins all arranged face up, the rim lettering can be
'right side up' or 'upside down'

"Hp" wrote in message ...
per my usual habits, the last time we visited the bank for a transaction I
requested some halves, $2 bills and any dollar coins for change.

We got a full roll of Andrew Johnsons, wrapper also marked as such.
Since I usually get a mix of nice to circulated loose coins, we usually just
spot check them to see whats in the mix and then spend spend spend.

This Time since I had a clean roll of BU coins I gave the entire group a nice
looking over.

One thing I had noted in the past but never pursued looking into was the rim
marking orientation. What are the steps taken to do the rim markings? Are the
rims done before or after the coins are pressed?
I ask this because its very obvious that they take no care as to which side of
the coin blank is the Face compared to the rim markings.
With a stack of coins all arranged face up, the rim lettering can be 'right
side up' or 'upside down'

For the uncirculated versions, the edge lettering is applied after the coin is
struck.
That accounts for those that were released without the edge lettering.
The proof versions have the edge lettering as part of the collar die and so get
the lettering when the coin is struck.

On 3/11/2011 12:18 PM, Beanie wrote:
wrote in message ...
per my usual habits, the last time we visited the bank for a transaction I
requested some halves, $2 bills and any dollar coins for change.

We got a full roll of Andrew Johnsons, wrapper also marked as such.
Since I usually get a mix of nice to circulated loose coins, we usually just
spot check them to see whats in the mix and then spend spend spend.

This Time since I had a clean roll of BU coins I gave the entire group a nice
looking over.

One thing I had noted in the past but never pursued looking into was the rim
marking orientation. What are the steps taken to do the rim markings? Are the
rims done before or after the coins are pressed?
I ask this because its very obvious that they take no care as to which side of
the coin blank is the Face compared to the rim markings.
With a stack of coins all arranged face up, the rim lettering can be 'right
side up' or 'upside down'

For the uncirculated versions, the edge lettering is applied after the coin is
struck.
That accounts for those that were released without the edge lettering.
The proof versions have the edge lettering as part of the collar die and so get
the lettering when the coin is struck.


I have seen auction for Type A and Type B proofs thought that meant
which way the lettering was. If it is collard on a proof how do they get
two verities
Aklarry

On Mar 11, 4:56*pm, Larry wrote:
On 3/11/2011 12:18 PM, Beanie wrote:

*wrote in ...
per my usual habits, the last time we visited the bank for a transaction I
requested some halves, $2 bills and any dollar coins for change.

We got a full roll of Andrew Johnsons, wrapper also marked as such.
Since I usually get a mix of nice to circulated loose coins, we usually just
spot check them to see whats in the mix and then spend spend spend.

This Time since I had a clean roll of BU coins I gave the entire group a nice
looking over.

One thing I had noted in the past but never pursued looking into was the rim
marking orientation. *What are the steps taken to do the rim markings? Are the
rims done before or after the coins are pressed?
I ask this because its very obvious that they take no care as to which side of
the coin blank is the Face compared to the rim markings.
With a stack of coins all arranged face up, the rim lettering can be 'right
side up' or 'upside down'

For the uncirculated versions, the edge lettering is applied after the coin is
struck.
That accounts for those that were released without the edge lettering.
The proof versions have the edge lettering as part of the collar die and so get
the lettering when the coin is struck.

I have seen auction for Type A and Type B proofs thought that meant
which way the lettering was. If it is collard on a proof how do they get
two verities
Aklarry

Hey, welcome back, Larry!

Jerry

On 3/11/2011 4:56 PM, Larry wrote:
On 3/11/2011 12:18 PM, Beanie wrote:
wrote in message
...

per my usual habits, the last time we visited the bank for a
transaction I
requested some halves, $2 bills and any dollar coins for change.

We got a full roll of Andrew Johnsons, wrapper also marked as such.
Since I usually get a mix of nice to circulated loose coins, we
usually just
spot check them to see whats in the mix and then spend spend spend.

This Time since I had a clean roll of BU coins I gave the entire
group a nice looking over.

One thing I had noted in the past but never pursued looking into was
the rim
marking orientation. What are the steps taken to do the rim markings?
Are the
rims done before or after the coins are pressed?
I ask this because its very obvious that they take no care as to
which side of
the coin blank is the Face compared to the rim markings.
With a stack of coins all arranged face up, the rim lettering can be
'right side up' or 'upside down'

For the uncirculated versions, the edge lettering is applied after the
coin is struck.

That accounts for those that were released without the edge lettering.
The proof versions have the edge lettering as part of the collar die
and so get
the lettering when the coin is struck.


I have seen auction for Type A and Type B proofs thought that meant
which way the lettering was. If it is collard on a proof how do they get
two verities

Aklarry


Ok, since I was fairly uninformed about Type A and Type B designations I
did some learning:

upside down (Type A) edge lettering
right side up (Type B) edge lettering

BUT these descriptions did Not Specifically state in relationship to the
obverse side of the coin. (so I am inferring that so far)

While I cannot speak for the way the US Mint strikes their coins, the
Royal Mint strikes their one pound and two pound coins with edge lettering.
This is applied to the blanks before striking, then the blanks are struck
on the press with a reeded collar, so the finished coin has an inscription
on a
reeded background. Thus there is an approximately even chance of the coins
having the inscription upright or inverted. This is also why narrow letters
such as
I sometimes are missing, as they can close up during striking.

By their nature, coins struck using an inscribed collar tend to have all
their edge inscriptions the same way up.

--
Tony Clayton

On Mar 11, 11:53*am, Hp wrote:
per my usual habits, the last time we visited the bank for a transaction
I requested some halves, $2 bills and any dollar coins for change.

We got a full roll of Andrew Johnsons, wrapper also marked as such.
Since I usually get a mix of nice to circulated loose coins, we usually
just spot check them to see whats in the mix and then spend spend spend.

This Time since I had a clean roll of BU coins I gave the entire group a
nice looking over.

One thing I had noted in the past but never pursued looking into was the
rim marking orientation. *What are the steps taken to do the rim
markings? Are the rims done before or after the coins are pressed?
I ask this because its very obvious that they take no care as to which
side of the coin blank is the Face compared to the rim markings.
With a stack of coins all arranged face up, the rim lettering can be
'right side up' or 'upside down'

You have standard circualtion coins. There is not set orientation as
the edge lettering is applied seperately from the regular stamping of
the obverse/reverse. The exact order of when each is done is detailed
somewhere on the web. I don't have it at my fingertips.

your circulation ("business strike") coins are nor "uncirculated" as
they are struck slightly differently. Again, that exact info is on the
web.

On 3/14/2011 5:15 PM, shreadvector wrote:
On Mar 11, 11:53 am, wrote:
per my usual habits, the last time we visited the bank for a transaction
I requested some halves, $2 bills and any dollar coins for change.

We got a full roll of Andrew Johnsons, wrapper also marked as such.
Since I usually get a mix of nice to circulated loose coins, we usually
just spot check them to see whats in the mix and then spend spend spend.

This Time since I had a clean roll of BU coins I gave the entire group a
nice looking over.

One thing I had noted in the past but never pursued looking into was the
rim marking orientation. What are the steps taken to do the rim
markings? Are the rims done before or after the coins are pressed?
I ask this because its very obvious that they take no care as to which
side of the coin blank is the Face compared to the rim markings.
With a stack of coins all arranged face up, the rim lettering can be
'right side up' or 'upside down'

You have standard circualtion coins. There is not set orientation as
the edge lettering is applied seperately from the regular stamping of
the obverse/reverse. The exact order of when each is done is detailed
somewhere on the web. I don't have it at my fingertips.

your circulation ("business strike") coins are nor "uncirculated" as
they are struck slightly differently. Again, that exact info is on the
web.


So by your definition a fresh from the mint to be circulated coin can't
be BU ??
Color me confuzed!

On Mar 14, 4:22*pm, Hp wrote:
On 3/14/2011 5:15 PM, shreadvector wrote:





On Mar 11, 11:53 am, *wrote:
per my usual habits, the last time we visited the bank for a transaction
I requested some halves, $2 bills and any dollar coins for change.
We got a full roll of Andrew Johnsons, wrapper also marked as such.
Since I usually get a mix of nice to circulated loose coins, we usually
just spot check them to see whats in the mix and then spend spend spend.
This Time since I had a clean roll of BU coins I gave the entire group a
nice looking over.
One thing I had noted in the past but never pursued looking into was the
rim marking orientation. *What are the steps taken to do the rim
markings? Are the rims done before or after the coins are pressed?
I ask this because its very obvious that they take no care as to which
side of the coin blank is the Face compared to the rim markings.
With a stack of coins all arranged face up, the rim lettering can be
'right side up' or 'upside down'
You have standard circualtion coins. There is not set orientation as
the edge lettering is applied seperately from the regular stamping of
the obverse/reverse. The exact order of when each is done is detailed
somewhere on the web. I don't have it at my fingertips.
your circulation ("business strike") coins are nor "uncirculated" as
they are struck slightly differently. Again, that exact info is on the
web.

So by your definition a fresh from the mint to be circulated coin can't
be BU ??
Color me confuzed!- Hide quoted text -

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I did not say that. i was clarifying the confusing response provided
by others. They were telling you that you had "Uncirculated" strikes
and were describing how the "Uncirculated" strikes were produced,
which is not the same production process as is used to produce normal
circulation quality business strike coins that simply happen to be
'uncirculated' because their rolls have not been opened and they have
not been handled yet.