Hungary query~transport

.....and lots of interesting revenues.

Like this 1880 issue, the background to the central value vignette, is the
vein structure
from the leaf of a tree, how deliciously bizarre.
http://cjoint.com/data/hqqhIWjjLK.htm




"Rein"
If you are collecting and specialising Hungary yourself you have a lot
more work to do as there are plenty of variants..... Although the
Hungarian catalogue does not to bother either!

The only thing to do Rodney with all these common stamps is to
establish a "control" set and then compare every individual stamp you
receive with the control copy for size,shade,perf,watermark etc etc.

Except for intensively studied stamps like Machins you will no doubt
find variations even before you look for constant and inconstant flaws
- even Machin studies do not mention all the shades, especially on the
early decimals, where IMO the early collectors/dealers collectively
decided that these were philatelically irrelevant - early attention
was purely on plate number blocks - us poor used-collectors were also
considered to be "philatellically irrelevant".

Malcolm
(proud to be "Philatellically Irrelevant")





On Jul 16, 3:11*pm, "rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote:
....and lots of interesting revenues.

Like this 1880 issue, the background to the central value vignette, is the
vein structure
from the leaf of a tree, how deliciously bizarre.http://cjoint.com/data/hqqhIWjjLK.htm

"Rein"



If you are collecting and specialising Hungary yourself you have a lot
more work to do as there are plenty of variants..... Although the
Hungarian catalogue does not to bother either!- Hide quoted text -

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The old chestnut, "philately begins where the catalogue ends"
Controversy just adds to the flavour of the hobby,
I was reading Glen Stephens page where two GB plate 77's were certified
fakes,
If they want to squabble about those classics, my problem
with poorly printed Hungarian definitives is a puff on the ocean.

I have instigated your advice,
I just need to get my head around what is "Philatellically relevant"
seems either an Oxymoron or elitist.
Calls to mind the "philatelists" you will spot at auctions,
they manoevre the stamp from under the mylar to inspect
with the gold plated stamp tongs, then turn the stamp over with their
fingers to inspect the gum.




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The only thing to do Rodney with all these common stamps is to
establish a "control" set and then compare every individual stamp you
receive with the control copy for size,shade,perf,watermark etc etc.

Except for intensively studied stamps like Machins you will no doubt
find variations even before you look for constant and inconstant flaws
- even Machin studies do not mention all the shades, especially on the
early decimals, where IMO the early collectors/dealers collectively
decided that these were philatelically irrelevant - early attention
was purely on plate number blocks - us poor used-collectors were also
considered to be "philatellically irrelevant".

Malcolm
(proud to be "Philatellically Irrelevant")





On Jul 16, 3:11 pm, "rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote:
....and lots of interesting revenues.

Like this 1880 issue, the background to the central value vignette, is the
vein structure
from the leaf of a tree, how deliciously
bizarre.http://cjoint.com/data/hqqhIWjjLK.htm

"Rein"



If you are collecting and specialising Hungary yourself you have a lot
more work to do as there are plenty of variants..... Although the
Hungarian catalogue does not to bother either!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Philatelically irrelevant is actually my invention in respect of
myself.

If you look at the British philatelic press in the days of the early
decimal Machins, there was much huffing and puffing about scarce and
rare plate number blocks ( all unmounted mint of course ! ), and the
only mention of "shades" was as an adjunct to identification of a
particular plate.

There was virtually no mention of or interest in collecting used
single copies, and as such they were by virtue of that fact
irrelevant.

When you consider the degree of knowledge and research of 1d blacks
and 2d blues ( much of it carried out at the time the stamps were
current) - and when they were as "cheap as chips" - yes there was such
a time, I found that attitude strange to say te least.

Call me cynical if you like, but I have a deeply held suspicion that
this attitude to Machins was being driven by notions close to
financial manipulation.

There were some very visually distinctive shades, and as many of my
collection was lifted from my commercial and private mail at the time,
I KNOW that they are not chemically or light induced.

Because modern definitives have very little or no intrinsic value they
are not studied, as there is virtually no financial incentive to do
so.

Yes we all like to think our collections are valuable, but I regret
that philatelic research "for its own sake" appears to be in terminal
decline. Many of the early collectors who were wealthy beyond our
wildest dreams were happy to pursue such research without thought of
financial return.

I personally believe that any collection which adds to the sum of
philatelic knowledge( whether to the world at large or to oneself) is
"valuable", and I will continue to buy cheap bulk lots in order to
look for something interesting. I have traded "cheap rubbish" for
"cheap rubbish" for many years and I have ALWAYS found something of
interest every time - as you can see from my current pursuit of
identification of world postmarks which have been sitting in a box
from upwards of 10 years.

I will now get of my soapbox and let someone else get a word in
edgeways !!

Malcolm