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Old August 7th 03, 10:30 PM
marlinspike
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How long does it take for a piston gasket to go bad though? My dad's Pelikan
which was never flushed and used rarely starting in around the mid-80's (was
used a lot before then) worked perfectly until i shook sawdust off my shirt,
forgeting it was in my shirt pocket (it proceeded to fly out and break).
Richard
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marlinspike wrote:


Anyways, couldn't it be argued that a piston is the best filler? I mean,
sure it doen't insulate as well, but I have never heard of the walls of

a
pen deteriorating like a sac can.



Couldnt it also be argued its one of the worse fillers? No insulation.
The slightest hairline crack means a major probable leak and a useless
pen. If you havent heard of the walls of a piston filler deteriorating
you havent heard much about some Omas pens.

So what about a sac going bad since piston gaskets go bad too? Frank



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Old August 7th 03, 11:53 PM
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William Bosner wrote:
I wonder if the Pelikan Level filling system can be considered an
innovation?


Its a innovation ONLY IF you consider anything different for the sake of
being diffeent an innoviation. BUT IS IT BETTER


An innovation *is* something new or different. It isn't necessarily
better or an improvement.

Nancy

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Old August 8th 03, 12:06 AM
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:09:53 -0400, "marlinspike"
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All that's stuff is for softies, and, if you ask me, cars are getting worse
because of this whole new thing of "metrosexuals."
Richard

whatdaheckisthat?

i keep hearing the word but I get bored too quick to bother figuring
out what it is.

is this thread drift or what?
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Old August 8th 03, 12:32 AM
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Anyways, couldn't it be argued that a piston is the best filler?


No.

For efficiency...either you go with what Frank described with the sheaffer
plunger (single stroke, massive flushing action, fully visuated chamber, 2 to 3
times even the most efficient telescoping piston capacity per barrel
size.....example...a sheaffer tuckaway holds more ink than a pelikan 1000 yet
it is the shortest/smallest of all plunger fillers by Sheaffer)...or to eek out
a little more you use a 1920 system which can fill as much as an eyedropper if
not more as it fills from feed to the very rear of the barrel without the need
of an air space for screwing back on the section as required by an eyedropper.

http://hometown.aol.com/scaupaug3/HARPOON/index.html

Self filling and has to hold a fluid ounce or more? It is the only way to go.
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Old August 8th 03, 12:36 AM
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Nancy Handy wrote:


An innovation *is* something new or different. It isn't necessarily
better or an improvement.

Sort of true, but by that measuere each and every pen ever made is an
innovation if it hasen't been made before and ANYTHING about it is
different, including its color, trim or name. Every LE for example is
usually the fist LE to bear that "innovative" name. The new 51 is
innovative because it did away with the original hi tech ink collector
and replaced it with a cheap standard feed. and so on. FD
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Old August 8th 03, 01:29 AM
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"kcat" wrote in message
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whatdaheckisthat?

i keep hearing the word but I get bored too quick to bother figuring
out what it is.


What, metrosexual? If you live in a metropolitan area, you know the type.
It's the guys who: a)can't do anything mechanical for themselvs (at least
not properly), b) shop at saks fifth avenue or niemen marcus or some place
like that for grooming supplies (like skin creams and hair care and stuff
like that), c) buys antique doorknobs and other antique home decorations, d)
drives a hybrid vehicle, e) dye their hair blond, and f) would be described
by governor-hopeful Arnold Scharzenegger (or however you spell it) as a
"girly man."
Richard


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Old August 8th 03, 02:16 AM
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:29:33 -0400, "marlinspike"
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snipped uh.. interesting definition

got it. Not my type but I've seen 'em. Not a lot in this little TX
town.

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Old August 8th 03, 02:48 AM
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i suppose but there's the MOMA chair that is unique and I think
innovative. MOMA thought so too. I can't recall the designer or the
proper name of the chair. It has no back but is more like a stool.
but it is on a spring-like base that forces one to interact with the
chair for balance and movement. Supposedly increases blood flow and
improves posture, balance and the strength of certain muscles. too
much time in a static chair can be unhealthy.


Kcat, is this the chair to which you referred?
http://momastore.org/webapp/wcs/stor...4444&langId=-1

If so, it's called the Swopper Stool. And that spring looks as if
it's at least part pedestal. I can appreciate the fact that it's
"interactive" and provides some exercise. But I can interact and get
some small measure of exercise with my Grandma's Stickley rocking
chair. Again, it may be a new interpretation of a stool, but is it
really an innovation?

As I think about it, the use of ink bearing instruments for
handwriting is probably going the way of the feather quill. The
future is going to be the stylus and handwriting recognition software.
I go to the store and instead of signing a credit slip, I sign a
screen and my receipt is printed with my signature. I use a Palm
instead of a Daytimer. And in a few years, I can see Notepad
computers becoming good enough and cheap enough to displace desktops
and notebooks. If the handwriting recognition software becomes
sophisticated enough, who'll need to go to Handwriting Bootcamp?

David
Who wonders if using fountain pens will make us "historical
reenators".
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Old August 8th 03, 08:18 AM
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I would say that is an innovation in the positive sense of the word
because it combines the two following features: It is clean & cheap.
If someone were to reintroduce a snorkel filler at a reasonable price
(besides Nathan) it might loose this claim to fame. I know it is a bit
of a lame argument, but they were trying.

William Bosner wrote:

I wonder if the Pelikan Level filling system can be considered an
innovation? In it's present form, it is a bit retrograde, but has the
potential to be a descent filling system. In my opinion, it needs a
simple method of opening the system so it can be flushed.

Its a innovation ONLY IF you consider anything different for the sake of
being diffeent an innoviation. BUT IS IT BETTER THAN ANY OTHER
FILLER? Of course not. Name the advantages and improvements it offers
over other fillers. Name the IMPROVEMENTS the Level offers that makes
the Level a better pen than pens of the 40s and 50s. Its a joke of a
filler in realistic terms. A "decent" filler (and I do not think the
Level is even that) is not a better filler nor an improvement. As I
said ink could be sold in pressurized cans and used to fill a pen like a
butane lighter. Maybe the pressure could help flush the ink even.
Nutty? Yup. Innovative? Sure! Could it be made to work? Easy.
Would some people buy it? PT Barnum was right. Would Pen World call it
a great advancement in pen? Sure if paid full page color ads for it ran
in the same issue. BUT Better than a standard time tested filler?
A true improvement in fountain pens? ROFL Noooooooo waaaaaaaaay.
Frank


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Old August 8th 03, 05:47 PM
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"marlinspike" wrote in message ...
"kcat" wrote in message
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whatdaheckisthat?

i keep hearing the word but I get bored too quick to bother figuring
out what it is.


What, metrosexual? If you live in a metropolitan area, you know the type.
It's the guys who: a)can't do anything mechanical for themselvs (at least
not properly), b) shop at saks fifth avenue or niemen marcus or some place
like that for grooming supplies (like skin creams and hair care and stuff
like that), c) buys antique doorknobs and other antique home decorations, d)
drives a hybrid vehicle, e) dye their hair blond, and f) would be described
by governor-hopeful Arnold Scharzenegger (or however you spell it) as a
"girly man."
Richard


Thanks for clearing that up. I would have guessed that a
"metrosexual" was a someone who could only get aroused in while in a
metroplitan area. Who knew?

David
Who has never owned a car with an automatic transission.
 




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