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Pelikan M1000 - How many drops does your barrel hold?
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:49:18 -0500, "LarryW"
wrote: The M1000 reminds me of the old American Crysler autos - tiny engine boxed in a big package. It seems that Pelikan should pay more attention to such details because a detail such as this really does matter. Well. I won't argue your memory of the old Chryslers that, in the 1950s and 1960s included the first muscle cars, starting with the mid-50s hemis and, in general, in my area of Texas were not considered underpowered. My dad's police highway interceptor was a Plymouth hemi, a Chrysler product. Even the Chrysler Travelor 8 wasn't all that underpowered, from the 1940s. Then, again, the car I plan to buy is a Saab 96, so what do I know about power... That aside, I don't think it is a detail that matters. First of all, it isn't like the Pelikan is the smallest reservoir out there. Getting past that, the only pens that are consistently larger are the eyedrop fillers. The next time you are in the pen store and are spending around $ 500, the 1000 is likely to be one of the two largest reservoir pens available and you aren't going to find an eyedrop filler. And with many of the pens being cartridge pens with generally very small convertors as the ink reservoir, I don't think this detail should keep the Pelikan people up nights. I know it doesn't worry me much. Just my opinion... Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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Pelikan M1000 - How many drops does your barrel hold?
LarryW wrote: Using a hypodemic syringe, I am getting 17 ml from M1000 (and 13 ml from MB149 - control) -LarryW 17 ml?!?!?!?!?!? That's over 22 converters full. I think you mean 1.7 and 1.3 ml. A few years back I did similar measurements on a bunch of different pens and found that the M800 and M400 hold about 1.5 ml or two converters full (similar to the Aurora Optima). The Paragon-style pens from OMAS (the previous design, not the current design) hold about 2.25 ml, same as the old Pelikan 100N and cir. 1950s Pelikan 400. The converters I measured varied between .65 and .75 ml capacity. I do not have a M1000 here, but I would not be surprised if they hold just a bit more than the 400 and 800 or about 1.7 ml as you say above. If Pelikan wanted to increase the ink capacity of their pens, they'd use a telescoping mechanism (you know, like the one Montblanc invented) but nobody uses these anymore (including MB) because the cost to manufacture them and they're less durable. How long does it take you to write out your M1000? -- B |
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Pelikan M1000 - How many drops does your barrel hold?
....and *that* my Fabian friend is what make the 1000 so amazing
"j. fabian" wrote in message ... In article , "Paul G" wrote: ...there's probably a few drops stuck in that wonderful wet feed on the 1000 regards, pelikanyo paul Not probably -- absolutely! after all the "drops" were expelled that comb feed was still super saturated, with a page or so worth of water (if I wrote with water, that is...) j f -- well, it looked good on paper |
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Pelikan M1000 - How many drops does your barrel hold?
Very good and true Jon.
Pelikan thinks about more than you realize...for example, keeping the ink capacity "not too big" in a barrel piston filler assists flow. Yup...the heat from your hand will actually heat the chamber, and produce a little "push" to the ink. As in any pen of this design, the bigger the chamber, the less the "benefit" from this. These are all thoughts that are part of their design. Pelikanyo "j. fabian" wrote in message ... In article , "LarryW" wrote: I also have a MB149. It releases 15 drops (ink or filtered H2O) as compared to my M1000 that holds 20. When comparing chamber sizes, there seems to be a lot of empty space not being used by the Pelikan. Another private correspondent reported getting 29 drops from his M1000 until he dropped it and is getting much less. The M1000 reminds me of the old American Crysler autos - tiny engine boxed in a big package. It seems that Pelikan should pay more attention to such details because a detail such as this really does matter. -LarryW What exactly is it that you would have Pelikan do? Number or drops expelled while (hopefully) holding the pen vertically, tip down, over something to catch the ink, is hardly a real-world test. How about just writing with your pen? Does it write-out too fast? What nib size are you using? I own 4 Montblanc 149s. Each one expels a different number of drops after filling. Each one also has a different width nib -- from Extra Fine to Oblique Double Broad. All hold exactly the same volume of ink, however. I have about ten Pelikan 100/100N pens, vintage and reproduction. The ones with broad or oblique broad nibs produce larger drops than the extra fines. Big surprise. It's simply a matter of physics -- an Oblique Double Broad nib to fit a Montblanc 149 (their biggest nib on their biggest pen) has a huge surface area for the ink/water to stick to before gravity overcomes surface tension. Would you expect an Extra Fine to be able to hold the same size "drop"? The M1000 and M1050 were introduced ten years ago. Had there been a groundswell of dissatisfaction with their capacity it would be common knowledge by now. Until you raised the idea of counting drops I had never given any thought to any of my pens' capacities -- unless they were sorely lacking as evidenced by me having to refill too often. I only counted drops when following the instructions on filling a piston-fill pen and expelling four drops to let a little air back in to combat thermal expansion. I have been using MBs and Pelikans since the late '70s and have never even thought of complaining to either company about _anything_, including capacity. And as for your view of Chryslers, a better pen to compare would be the Waterman Edson. That huge, obese body has a tiny little Waterman standard converter rattling around inside it. It's a good thing they write like crap and easily fall apart or people might start complaining. j f -- well, it looked good on paper |
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Pelikan M1000 - How many drops does your barrel hold?
Remember...there's a lot of "dead space" in that feed befor ink hits the
chamber. If the pen is dry, it's not going to fill completely on the first draw. "Stephen Hust" wrote in message ... "j. fabian" wrote: That being said, I have a Pelikan M1000 with an Oblique Medium nib. After filling it with _water_ (it isn't in my current rotation), it produces 15 very large drops. "Very large" is not an exact quantity. I have never thought it lacking in capacity. Does your pen fill all the way up on the first try, or do you have to repeat the filling process once or twice (keeping the nib and part of the section submerged in the ink)? -- Steve My e-mail address works as is. |
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Pelikan M1000 - How many drops does your barrel hold?
j. fabian wrote:
... Does it write-out too fast? This is the key question. And as for your view of Chryslers, a better pen to compare would be the Waterman Edson. That huge, obese body has a tiny little Waterman standard converter rattling around inside it. ... Yep... The Waterman converter holds .65 ml of ink or roughly 72% less than the M1000. -- B |
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Pelikan M1000 - How many drops does your barrel hold?
"LarryW" writes: If I draw ink v e r y s l o w l y, my M1000 will release up to 20 drops, but the average is more like 17. Please, remember that after that there is still plenty of ink inside that (gripping) section. Just try out, how much you can write with it. -- Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv "Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt. Willst du bis der Tod euch scheidet treu ihr sein für alle Tage? Nein. Nein. Willst du bis zum Tod der Scheide sie lieben auch in schlechten Tagen? Nein. Nein." Rammstein |
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Pelikan M1000 - How many drops does your barrel hold?
again...remember you're filling the feed as well
this is normal "LarryW" wrote in message ... "Stephen Hust" wrote in message ... "j. fabian" wrote: That being said, I have a Pelikan M1000 with an Oblique Medium nib. After filling it with _water_ (it isn't in my current rotation), it produces 15 very large drops. "Very large" is not an exact quantity. I have never thought it lacking in capacity. Does your pen fill all the way up on the first try, or do you have to repeat the filling process once or twice (keeping the nib and part of the section submerged in the ink)? -- Steve The 1000 never fills all the way, 1st, second or even 3rd try. I have even submerged the pen beyond the nib. I think that slightly less that 1/4 of the capacity is filled. I can just see the ink against a bright light slosh back and forth. --LarryW |
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Pelikan M1000 - How many drops does your barrel hold?
"BL" wrote in message news:NoxKh.2$Sf2.1@trnddc01... LarryW wrote: Using a hypodemic syringe, I am getting 17 ml from M1000 (and 13 ml from MB149 - control) -LarryW 17 ml?!?!?!?!?!? That's over 22 converters full. I think you mean 1.7 and 1.3 ml. A few years back I did similar measurements on a bunch of different pens and found that the M800 and M400 hold about 1.5 ml or two converters full (similar to the Aurora Optima). The Paragon-style pens from OMAS (the previous design, not the current design) hold about 2.25 ml, same as the old Pelikan 100N and cir. 1950s Pelikan 400. The converters I measured varied between .65 and .75 ml capacity. I do not have a M1000 here, but I would not be surprised if they hold just a bit more than the 400 and 800 or about 1.7 ml as you say above. If Pelikan wanted to increase the ink capacity of their pens, they'd use a telescoping mechanism (you know, like the one Montblanc invented) but nobody uses these anymore (including MB) because the cost to manufacture them and they're less durable. How long does it take you to write out your M1000? -- B The hypo-syringe is a 3 cc; cc measurement in right column, m in left. 16m=1cc.) I talked to Abby at Charpak. She said that the entire nib was replaced initially to address the dry flow. She said they didn't have expert techs onsight so all they do is replace parts. She told me to return it and she would replace the nib (again) and also replace the barrel. With a loop, I noticed that the tines are not symetrical as they should be. One tine is slighly narrower and shorter than the other. It tends to resemble an oblique slightly. Anyway, I'll return it. Truthfully I can't really tell how much writing I get out of a fill. I just thought that it should look filled through the window similar to the MB. The MB's chamber completely fills whereas the M1000 you can not visually see the ink. It's possible that the overall size of the M1000 does not gurantee it will hold any more in than the smaller pens. Right now, my greatest concern is to get a nice smooth glide. My letters rarely exceed 3 pages and I haven't run dry yet. -LarryW |
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Pelikan M1000 - How many drops does your barrel hold?
"Curtis L. Russell" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:49:18 -0500, "LarryW" wrote: The M1000 reminds me of the old American Crysler autos - tiny engine boxed in a big package. It seems that Pelikan should pay more attention to such details because a detail such as this really does matter. Well. I won't argue your memory of the old Chryslers that, in the 1950s and 1960s included the first muscle cars, starting with the mid-50s hemis and, in general, in my area of Texas were not considered underpowered. My dad's police highway interceptor was a Plymouth hemi, a Chrysler product. Even the Chrysler Travelor 8 wasn't all that underpowered, from the 1940s. Then, again, the car I plan to buy is a Saab 96, so what do I know about power... That aside, I don't think it is a detail that matters. First of all, it isn't like the Pelikan is the smallest reservoir out there. Getting past that, the only pens that are consistently larger are the eyedrop fillers. The next time you are in the pen store and are spending around $ 500, the 1000 is likely to be one of the two largest reservoir pens available and you aren't going to find an eyedrop filler. And with many of the pens being cartridge pens with generally very small convertors as the ink reservoir, I don't think this detail should keep the Pelikan people up nights. I know it doesn't worry me much. Just my opinion... Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... I'm not all that worried either. It holds at least as many drops as the MB does and I never ran out of in unexpectedly. -LarryW |
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