WARNING: Noodler's Inks

These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens. I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

-T

****-magnet wrote:

These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens. I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

Hello ****-magnet,

Just curious, what exactly was it that Noodler's supposedly did to this
Pelikan? I would love to see proof that Noodler's ink caused any damage to
this pen. I've been using Noodler's inks in my Pelikans (both vintage and
modern) since it first hit the market and I've had no problems whatsoever
with ink flow in any of my Pelikans nor has it caused any damage to any of
these pens. I do agree that it doesn't flow the greatest in pens that have
very fine feed channels but this can be adjusted by adding a little
distilled water to the ink.

Chuck Swisher

"Chuck Swisher" wrote in message
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****-magnet wrote:

These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens.
I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of
pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two
Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and
lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery
Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

Hello ****-magnet,

Just curious, what exactly was it that Noodler's supposedly did to
this
Pelikan? I would love to see proof that Noodler's ink caused any
damage to
this pen. I've been using Noodler's inks in my Pelikans (both
vintage and
modern) since it first hit the market and I've had no problems
whatsoever
with ink flow in any of my Pelikans nor has it caused any damage to
any of
these pens. I do agree that it doesn't flow the greatest in pens
that have
very fine feed channels but this can be adjusted by adding a little
distilled water to the ink.

Chuck Swisher


I haven't used it in my Pelican and I won't. It works fine in my MB.
As for the Waterman and Romet, both pens would not flow after sitting
nine days. What kind of "proof" do you want? The ink is concentrated
and leaves a beautiful mark but I will not use it is any pen that
doesn't have a generous flow (namely fine or medium nibs.) You are
suggesting that I dilute it. I will draw 5 ml of ink and add 10 drops
of dist h2o. I like the midnight blue with the finer medium nib and am
willing to try it again. I have a 3 oz bottle and wouldn't want it to
go to waste. Besides, after a little effort, both pens did seem to
unclog w/o perm damage. I must still emphasize that it is a good idea
to remove the ink from such pens if they aren't going to be used for a
while. Another collector/dealer advised me that the ink ruined his pen
to a point where after he unclogged it, it still never worked right
and subsequently he had to replace the nib. If that happened to me,
I'd ask the ink mfg to pay for a new nib. If they refused, I'd
penalize them by some other gradifying method. I'll post in a few
weeks and advise if the dilution helps.

9 days left sitting with ink in any pen.........will cause a problem. I can
only ditto Mr. Swisher here on Noodler's and BTW, it would be easier for me
to list the Noodler's colors and inks that I don't have vs. the ones that I
do, much easier.

"~****-magnet~" wrote in message
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"Chuck Swisher" wrote in message
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****-magnet wrote:

These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens.
I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of
pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two
Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and
lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery
Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

Hello ****-magnet,

Just curious, what exactly was it that Noodler's supposedly did to
this
Pelikan? I would love to see proof that Noodler's ink caused any
damage to
this pen. I've been using Noodler's inks in my Pelikans (both
vintage and
modern) since it first hit the market and I've had no problems
whatsoever
with ink flow in any of my Pelikans nor has it caused any damage to
any of
these pens. I do agree that it doesn't flow the greatest in pens
that have
very fine feed channels but this can be adjusted by adding a little
distilled water to the ink.

Chuck Swisher


I haven't used it in my Pelican and I won't. It works fine in my MB.
As for the Waterman and Romet, both pens would not flow after sitting
nine days. What kind of "proof" do you want? The ink is concentrated
and leaves a beautiful mark but I will not use it is any pen that
doesn't have a generous flow (namely fine or medium nibs.) You are
suggesting that I dilute it. I will draw 5 ml of ink and add 10 drops
of dist h2o. I like the midnight blue with the finer medium nib and am
willing to try it again. I have a 3 oz bottle and wouldn't want it to
go to waste. Besides, after a little effort, both pens did seem to
unclog w/o perm damage. I must still emphasize that it is a good idea
to remove the ink from such pens if they aren't going to be used for a
while. Another collector/dealer advised me that the ink ruined his pen
to a point where after he unclogged it, it still never worked right
and subsequently he had to replace the nib. If that happened to me,
I'd ask the ink mfg to pay for a new nib. If they refused, I'd
penalize them by some other gradifying method. I'll post in a few
weeks and advise if the dilution helps.

~****-magnet~ wrote:

... someone complained to me that Noodler's
totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to replacement. ...

Friend of a friend? Humbug, I say. I have used
a Swisher-bought Pelikan 600 with a fine nib loaded
with Noodler's black quite carelessly with no ill
effect whatever. I leave it in the pen for weeks at
a time, pick it up and write with it without so much
as a fraction of a millimeter skippage. No clogging,
no ruination, no tilting of the Earth on its axis.

Perhaps your FOAF's Pelly was ruinated by
injudicious loanage?

The combination of pen and ink writers choose is as personal as their
handwriting and so their resulting experience will vary.

This is simply a response for the consideration of other readers.

I keep a dozen pens charged at any given time: Pelikans, Kawecos (one
vintage), Parker 51's, a Lamy, Namiki and Sheaffer, most with fine or extra
fine nibs and all but one are filled with various formulations of Noodler's
ink. My most frequently utilized pen is a Pelikan M400 in EF loaded with
Noodler's Air Corps blue-black. I have never experienced any mechanical
problems or damage that I would attribute to the ink. I am not a chemist,
nor an engineer, but I fail to see, short of a corrosive effect on the pen
itself, how any water soluble ink can "ruin" a pen.

Gordon Mattingly

"~****-magnet~"

Methinks your name has everything to do with your problems, and nothing to
so with pens and ink.
I've used Noodler's inks in my fine nibbed pens for some time with nary a
problem.

luck-magnet


wrote in message
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These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens. I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

-T

****-magnet wrote:

I haven't used it in my Pelican and I won't. It works fine in my MB.
As for the Waterman and Romet, both pens would not flow after sitting
nine days. What kind of "proof" do you want? The ink is concentrated
and leaves a beautiful mark but I will not use it is any pen that
doesn't have a generous flow (namely fine or medium nibs.) You are
suggesting that I dilute it. I will draw 5 ml of ink and add 10 drops
of dist h2o. I like the midnight blue with the finer medium nib and am
willing to try it again. I have a 3 oz bottle and wouldn't want it to
go to waste. Besides, after a little effort, both pens did seem to
unclog w/o perm damage. I must still emphasize that it is a good idea
to remove the ink from such pens if they aren't going to be used for a
while. Another collector/dealer advised me that the ink ruined his pen
to a point where after he unclogged it, it still never worked right
and subsequently he had to replace the nib. If that happened to me,
I'd ask the ink mfg to pay for a new nib. If they refused, I'd
penalize them by some other gradifying method. I'll post in a few
weeks and advise if the dilution helps.

Tell you what, ask your friend to send that damaged nib to one of the folks
listed on our Vintage Pen Repair page to have it repaired. If they will
contact me and confirm that the nib was in fact damaged beyond repair from
the use of any Noodler's ink, I will buy your friend a replacement nib for
that Pelikan. The only way Noodler's ink could have clogged up a nib and
feed to the point where it was impossible to clean is if it were mixed with
another ink. Noodler's inks are made from the same materials as the other
water based fountain pen inks are made, there is no shellac or anything else
in this ink that would gum up a feed to where it couldn't be cleaned with a
little water or water mixed with ammonia if allowed to dry out completely in
a pen. Here is the link to our Vintage Pen Repair page:

http://www.swisherpens.com/repairs.html

Let me know if this person is willing to take me up on this offer. He could
also send the pen directly to Mr. Tardif (who just happens to know a little
about repairs himself) to have that nib looked at. Let me know and I'll
give you his address.

Best regards,

Chuck Swisher -

Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com

Tele: (757) 539-2209, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787

"~****-magnet~" wrote in message
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These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens. I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

-T


My preference is vintage fine point. Since the mad inkmeister concocted
the Noodler blend I've used it exclusively. My Auroras, Quinks, Skrips,
Watermans,
Pelicans, even my vintage Parkers, (I'm talking black inks) sit unused.
While the nib may dry out a after a few weeks it starts writing with a bit
of pressure.
Never had a clog. I've used it in my Mottishaw enhanced Pelican-no
problems.
My favorite pen, a 100 year plus waterman eyedropper #12, likewise.

Funny to find an anonymous warning about Noodlers in this group after all
this time
and after all the input a.c.p-p the group provided Nathan during its
development.
Admittedly I'm a cynical and suspicious New Yorker but I smell an agenda.

JP

Terry McGinty wrote:
"~****-magnet~"

Methinks your name has everything to do with your problems, and nothing to
so with pens and ink.
I've used Noodler's inks in my fine nibbed pens for some time with nary a
problem.

luck-magnet


wrote in message
. com...

These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens. I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

-T





The name's the thing, IMHO. It's a real puzzle how someone using this as
a screen name could wind up on a civilized list like one dealing with
fountain pens. As a college teacher I hear a lot of that kind of
language, and even see it printed on students' T-shirts... but I've
never associated it with fountain-pen users! Something weird is going on
here.

Like others, I've used Noodlers inks extensively and left it in pens
that sat unused for weeks. No clogging problems.

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--John
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