Another Turkey !

"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message . 109.145...
Another Turkey of a question !

Is there a difference in design between the first 1863-64 normal postage
issues and the 1863 postage due issue ? The illustrations in Gibbons &
Michel are no help, especially as the detail of the design seems to differ
slightly from value to value.

[Bearing in mind that the "postage due" issue were not in the usual sense
but were for areas where there was no post office. Postage was collected
by the messenger with the mail and the stamps were applied when they were
handed in at the nearest post office at the usual rates as they had the
same franking value as the postage stamps.]

In particular how does one tell the difference between the 5 pi postage
value (black on crimson or pale red) and the 5 pi postage due (black on
brown to brown-red) ?? Especially after going through the post and fading.

Regards,
Nick

Another Turkey of a question !

Is there a difference in design between the first 1863-64 normal postage
issues and the 1863 postage due issue ? The illustrations in Gibbons &
Michel are no help, especially as the detail of the design seems to differ
slightly from value to value.

[Bearing in mind that the "postage due" issue were not in the usual sense
but were for areas where there was no post office. Postage was collected
by the messenger with the mail and the stamps were applied when they were
handed in at the nearest post office at the usual rates as they had the
same franking value as the postage stamps.]

In particular how does one tell the difference between the 5 pi postage
value (black on crimson or pale red) and the 5 pi postage due (black on
brown to brown-red) ?? Especially after going through the post and fading.

Regards,
Nick

That's a simple one Nick,
the postage dues all had a band of blue, between the horizontal rows of stamps.
see the bottom of this one..
http://cjoint.com/data/dvnTspazn5.htm


HTH




"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message . 109.145...
Another Turkey of a question !

Is there a difference in design between the first 1863-64 normal postage
issues and the 1863 postage due issue ? The illustrations in Gibbons &
Michel are no help, especially as the detail of the design seems to differ
slightly from value to value.

[Bearing in mind that the "postage due" issue were not in the usual sense
but were for areas where there was no post office. Postage was collected
by the messenger with the mail and the stamps were applied when they were
handed in at the nearest post office at the usual rates as they had the
same franking value as the postage stamps.]

In particular how does one tell the difference between the 5 pi postage
value (black on crimson or pale red) and the 5 pi postage due (black on
brown to brown-red) ?? Especially after going through the post and fading.

Regards,
Nick

Well Gibbons says that the 5pi postage stamps also has a band of blue
(the other values red), so I'm not sure it differentiates the 5pi ?

Nick


"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in
:


That's a simple one Nick,
the postage dues all had a band of blue, between the horizontal rows
of stamps. see the bottom of this one..
http://cjoint.com/data/dvnTspazn5.htm


HTH




"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message
. 109.145...
Another Turkey of a question !

Is there a difference in design between the first 1863-64 normal
postage issues and the 1863 postage due issue ? The illustrations in
Gibbons & Michel are no help, especially as the detail of the design
seems to differ slightly from value to value.

[Bearing in mind that the "postage due" issue were not in the usual
sense but were for areas where there was no post office. Postage was
collected by the messenger with the mail and the stamps were applied
when they were handed in at the nearest post office at the usual
rates as they had the same franking value as the postage stamps.]

In particular how does one tell the difference between the 5 pi
postage value (black on crimson or pale red) and the 5 pi postage due
(black on brown to brown-red) ?? Especially after going through the
post and fading.

Regards,
Nick

Yes, I can see your point.
Cannot do much further without good scans of both.


"Nick Bridgwater"
Well Gibbons says that the 5pi postage stamps also has a band of blue
(the other values red), so I'm not sure it differentiates the 5pi ?

Nick

There is also the situation where perhaps they are indistinguishable
other than area of cancellation.


"rodney"
Yes, I can see your point.
Cannot do much further without good scans of both.


"Nick Bridgwater"
Well Gibbons says that the 5pi postage stamps also has a band of blue
(the other values red), so I'm not sure it differentiates the 5pi ?

Nick

Based on my judgement:
Postage Stamps 5pi - http://cjoint.com/data/dwkQIg5SsW.htm
Postage Dues 20pa, 1pi, 2pi, 5pi - http://cjoint.com/data/dwkSLieXba.htm

In the 2nd scan you can see the large variation in colour.
The one I'm unsure about is the 5pi postage due (right-hand one of the 2nd
scan), mainly because of the very high catalogue value (I found it in an
old collection, filed as a 5pi postage stamp).

I'll forward you the raw scans.

Regards,
Nick


"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in news:ho6aap$f9b$1
@news.eternal-september.org:


Yes, I can see your point.
Cannot do much further without good scans of both.


"Nick Bridgwater"
Well Gibbons says that the 5pi postage stamps also has a band of blue
(the other values red), so I'm not sure it differentiates the 5pi ?

Nick

Thanks for keeping us updated.
Time to seek out a Turkey specialist, especially with high Catalogue.
If you do, please let us know his interpretation.
Rodney

"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message . 109.145...
Based on my judgement:
Postage Stamps 5pi - http://cjoint.com/data/dwkQIg5SsW.htm
Postage Dues 20pa, 1pi, 2pi, 5pi - http://cjoint.com/data/dwkSLieXba.htm

In the 2nd scan you can see the large variation in colour.
The one I'm unsure about is the 5pi postage due (right-hand one of the 2nd
scan), mainly because of the very high catalogue value (I found it in an
old collection, filed as a 5pi postage stamp).

I'll forward you the raw scans.

Regards,
Nick


"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in news:ho6aap$f9b$1
@news.eternal-september.org:


Yes, I can see your point.
Cannot do much further without good scans of both.


"Nick Bridgwater"
Well Gibbons says that the 5pi postage stamps also has a band of blue
(the other values red), so I'm not sure it differentiates the 5pi ?

Nick