Turkey 1865-76 "Duloz" issues

According to my Gibbons catalogue, the 1865-76 issues of the Ottoman Empire
were overprinted with four groups of Turkish characters at the top, bottom,
& sides, around the oval band surrounding the star and crescent.

Gibbons says that the right says "Posta", the top "Devlete", and the left
"Osmanie" translating to "Post of the Government of Turkey" in english,
while the characters at the bottom express the value in words.

If that is so, why do the issues from 1865 - 1876 have different overprints
at the top - Gibbons details 5 different types. What do the different
overprints mean ?

Regards,
Nick

Basically all the same thing Nick.
The types refer to just the differences in script,
apart from 10 para type B which was script on the left "Osmanie"

I can scan my old 1960 SG and give chapter and verse if you so wish.
Rodney


"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message . 109.145...
According to my Gibbons catalogue, the 1865-76 issues of the Ottoman Empire
were overprinted with four groups of Turkish characters at the top, bottom,
& sides, around the oval band surrounding the star and crescent.

Gibbons says that the right says "Posta", the top "Devlete", and the left
"Osmanie" translating to "Post of the Government of Turkey" in english,
while the characters at the bottom express the value in words.

If that is so, why do the issues from 1865 - 1876 have different overprints
at the top - Gibbons details 5 different types. What do the different
overprints mean ?

Regards,
Nick

http://cjoint.com/data/dclLlhfidC.htm
http://cjoint.com/data/dclMD7dK36.htm

HTH Nick




"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message . 109.145...
I've got the images, thanks Rodney - I've posted them up at
http://cjoint.com/data/dckYJjWPMy.htm

The top image is the whole overprint, while images (3) to (7) are the
different overprints at the top.

According to my Gibbons, #3 was used in 1865, #4 in 1867, #5 in 1868-73,
#6 in 1874-5, and #7 in 1876-77.

I'm sure that they mean roughly the same thing but given the fairly large
differences in the scripts there must be some difference between them, at
least in Turkish ?

Regards,
Nick



"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in
:

Basically all the same thing Nick.
The types refer to just the differences in script,
apart from 10 para type B which was script on the left "Osmanie"

I can scan my old 1960 SG and give chapter and verse if you so wish.
Rodney


"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message
. 109.145...
According to my Gibbons catalogue, the 1865-76 issues of the Ottoman
Empire were overprinted with four groups of Turkish characters at the
top, bottom, & sides, around the oval band surrounding the star and
crescent.

Gibbons says that the right says "Posta", the top "Devlete", and the
left "Osmanie" translating to "Post of the Government of Turkey" in
english, while the characters at the bottom express the value in
words.

If that is so, why do the issues from 1865 - 1876 have different
overprints at the top - Gibbons details 5 different types. What do
the different overprints mean ?

Regards,
Nick

I've got the images, thanks Rodney - I've posted them up at
http://cjoint.com/data/dckYJjWPMy.htm

The top image is the whole overprint, while images (3) to (7) are the
different overprints at the top.

According to my Gibbons, #3 was used in 1865, #4 in 1867, #5 in 1868-73,
#6 in 1874-5, and #7 in 1876-77.

I'm sure that they mean roughly the same thing but given the fairly large
differences in the scripts there must be some difference between them, at
least in Turkish ?

Regards,
Nick



"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in
:

Basically all the same thing Nick.
The types refer to just the differences in script,
apart from 10 para type B which was script on the left "Osmanie"

I can scan my old 1960 SG and give chapter and verse if you so wish.
Rodney


"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message
. 109.145...
According to my Gibbons catalogue, the 1865-76 issues of the Ottoman
Empire were overprinted with four groups of Turkish characters at the
top, bottom, & sides, around the oval band surrounding the star and
crescent.

Gibbons says that the right says "Posta", the top "Devlete", and the
left "Osmanie" translating to "Post of the Government of Turkey" in
english, while the characters at the bottom express the value in
words.

If that is so, why do the issues from 1865 - 1876 have different
overprints at the top - Gibbons details 5 different types. What do
the different overprints mean ?

Regards,
Nick

Am 02.03.2010 10:40, schrieb rodney:
http://cjoint.com/data/dclLlhfidC.htm
http://cjoint.com/data/dclMD7dK36.htm

HTH Nick




"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message . 109.145...
I've got the images, thanks Rodney - I've posted them up at
http://cjoint.com/data/dckYJjWPMy.htm

The top image is the whole overprint, while images (3) to (7) are the
different overprints at the top.

According to my Gibbons, #3 was used in 1865, #4 in 1867, #5 in 1868-73,
#6 in 1874-5, and #7 in 1876-77.

I'm sure that they mean roughly the same thing but given the fairly large
differences in the scripts there must be some difference between them, at
least in Turkish ?

Regards,
Nick



"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in
:

Basically all the same thing Nick.
The types refer to just the differences in script,
apart from 10 para type B which was script on the left "Osmanie"

I can scan my old 1960 SG and give chapter and verse if you so wish.
Rodney


"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message
. 109.145...
According to my Gibbons catalogue, the 1865-76 issues of the Ottoman
Empire were overprinted with four groups of Turkish characters at the
top, bottom, & sides, around the oval band surrounding the star and
crescent.

Gibbons says that the right says "Posta", the top "Devlete", and the
left "Osmanie" translating to "Post of the Government of Turkey" in
english, while the characters at the bottom express the value in
words.

If that is so, why do the issues from 1865 - 1876 have different
overprints at the top - Gibbons details 5 different types. What do
the different overprints mean ?

Regards,
Nick






Hello.

btw Turkey came into existance in 1922, when Kemal Attatürk made the
Osman Empire a republic.



Peter

--
No Gates - no Bill!

What was the language called before the Ottoman (Osman) Empire became
Turkey ?

Back to my original query - is the difference in the top overprint just
calligraphical (?) differences ? The overprints have similar basic
elements but some (eg. #7) are extremely ornate compared to others (eg. #
6). Is there some background to the differences ?

Nick


Hello.

btw Turkey came into existance in 1922, when Kemal Attatürk made the
Osman Empire a republic.



Peter

On Mar 2, 11:18*pm, Nick Bridgwater No@Spam wrote:
What was the language called before the Ottoman (Osman) Empire became
Turkey ?

Back to my original query - is the difference in the top overprint just
calligraphical (?) differences ? *The overprints have similar basic
elements but some (eg. #7) are extremely ornate compared to others (eg. #
6). *Is there some background to the differences ?

Nick

Although Old Ottoman script isn't one of my specialties, you've got
it, Nick. The variations are all due simply to more or less
ornamentation of the letters, which are all the same at base.

Tony

Am 02.03.2010 13:18, schrieb Nick Bridgwater:
What was the language called before the Ottoman (Osman) Empire became
Turkey ?

Back to my original query - is the difference in the top overprint just
calligraphical (?) differences ? The overprints have similar basic
elements but some (eg. #7) are extremely ornate compared to others (eg. #
6). Is there some background to the differences ?

Nick


Hello.

btw Turkey came into existance in 1922, when Kemal Attatürk made the
Osman Empire a republic.



Peter


As far as I know, the language the people spoke was Anatolturkey - the
"better" people spoke what was called Osmani. Normal people could hardly
unterstand that language.


Peter

--
No Gates - no Bill!

Peter Buder wrote in
:

Am 02.03.2010 13:18, schrieb Nick Bridgwater:
What was the language called before the Ottoman (Osman) Empire became
Turkey ?

Back to my original query - is the difference in the top overprint
just calligraphical (?) differences ? The overprints have similar
basic elements but some (eg. #7) are extremely ornate compared to
others (eg. # 6). Is there some background to the differences ?

Nick


Hello.

btw Turkey came into existance in 1922, when Kemal Attatürk made the
Osman Empire a republic.



Peter


As far as I know, the language the people spoke was Anatolturkey - the
"better" people spoke what was called Osmani. Normal people could
hardly unterstand that language.


Peter


BTW see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_o...Ottoman_Empire
for a number of different names for the Ottoman (Osman) Empire.

On Mar 2, 4:55*am, Nick Bridgwater No@Spam wrote:
I've got the images, thanks Rodney - I've posted them up athttp://cjoint.com/data/dckYJjWPMy.htm

The top image is the whole overprint, while images (3) to (7) are the
different overprints at the top.

According to my Gibbons, #3 was used in 1865, #4 in 1867, #5 in 1868-73,
#6 in 1874-5, and #7 in 1876-77.

I'm sure that they mean roughly the same thing but given the fairly large
differences in the scripts there must be some difference between them, at
least in Turkish ?

Regards,
Nick

"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote :

Basically all the same thing Nick.
The types refer to just the differences in script,
apart from 10 para type B which was script on the left "Osmanie"

I can scan my old 1960 SG and give chapter and verse if you so wish.
Rodney

"Nick Bridgwater" No@Spam wrote in message
.109.145...
According to my Gibbons catalogue, the 1865-76 issues of the Ottoman
Empire were overprinted with four groups of Turkish characters at the
top, bottom, & sides, around the oval band surrounding the star and
crescent.

Gibbons says that the right says "Posta", the top "Devlete", and the
left "Osmanie" translating to "Post of the Government of Turkey" in
english, while the characters at the bottom express the value in
words.

If that is so, why do the issues from 1865 - 1876 have different
overprints at the top - Gibbons details 5 different types. *What do
the different overprints mean ?

Regards,
Nick