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Please Help Me Clear Up Belgian RR Paper Types
Hi there. Serious question this time. I know we've had some discussion on Belgian RR paper types in the past, but I guess I'm a THICK person when it comes to some things. I know that Rein has posted some replies, but I'm not sure if they were quite clear or I mis-read them. I'll stick with the mis-read action for right now. Further, Rein's site has some info on it, but haven't looked past the Dutch for an answer. Maybe he can chime in with others about this. Here are the terms, when referring to the 1968 locomotive series: -- "terne" = dull paper. I assume this means definitely not bright white but rather a dull background. I think I may be able to decipher this one. -- "blanc" = blank paper? (translator must have gotten a bug in the system with this one.) I would think that this means white paper - a paper that definitely shows the whiteness. Brighter than terne above, but with no paper coating. -- "brilliant" = what? The only examples I have seen are coated stamps. Much like "blanc" above, but with a shiny coating on them. -- "polyvalent" = REALLY WHAT? I have this assumption that polyvalent, in this instance means much like the brilliant above. I have seen ads for this on delcampe. When showing the stamps side by side, there is a difference between them. I can think of the difference between typo and litho stamps. -- "epacar" = no idea. We have mentioned that polyvalent is a synonym for a type of "general" paper, but I can't wrap the brain cells around the concept. I truly wish there was a site with VERY clear scans that could show the differences clearly. I have dull, white and coated stamps from this time period and am interested in the differences between them. Maybe someone could send me examples of all of the types so I can visually see the difference. My eyesight isn't what it used to be. I'd cover postage and stamp cost - no problem. Thanks for your help ahead of time. Tracy |
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Please Help Me Clear Up Belgian RR Paper Types
Tracy,
http://www.galeoptix.nl/fila/belg_pap.htm http://www.galeoptix.nl/fila/blg_pp01.htm all in Dutch I'm afraid... groetjes, Rein Op Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:07:47 +0200 schreef : Hi there. Serious question this time. I know we've had some discussion on Belgian RR paper types in the past, but I guess I'm a THICK person when it comes to some things. I know that Rein has posted some replies, but I'm not sure if they were quite clear or I mis-read them. I'll stick with the mis-read action for right now. Further, Rein's site has some info on it, but haven't looked past the Dutch for an answer. Maybe he can chime in with others about this. Here are the terms, when referring to the 1968 locomotive series: -- "terne" = dull paper. I assume this means definitely not bright white but rather a dull background. I think I may be able to decipher this one. -- "blanc" = blank paper? (translator must have gotten a bug in the system with this one.) I would think that this means white paper - a paper that definitely shows the whiteness. Brighter than terne above, but with no paper coating. -- "brilliant" = what? The only examples I have seen are coated stamps. Much like "blanc" above, but with a shiny coating on them. -- "polyvalent" = REALLY WHAT? I have this assumption that polyvalent, in this instance means much like the brilliant above. I have seen ads for this on delcampe. When showing the stamps side by side, there is a difference between them. I can think of the difference between typo and litho stamps. Polyvalent is the Belgian curse for "everything goes" What is meant by this is that the English manufacturers Harrison and Sons, Inverpak, Henry and Leigh Slater and also Coated Papers Ltd used a completely different type of paper [feasible for all printing methods: typography, recess and photogravure] than what they got before from the Belgian Intermills/Novarode Works at St. Genesiusrode. This paper is similar to what had been used for British Machin stamps. Epacar is the Belgian term for English paper originating from the H&L Slater or CPL manufacturers. Epacar = Etablissement de Papiers & Cartons, the Belgian firm importing H&L Slater and CPL paper! H&S had a direct contact with the Belgian Ministry of Government Supplies. So far, Goodnight! Rein -- "epacar" = no idea. We have mentioned that polyvalent is a synonym for a type of "general" paper, but I can't wrap the brain cells around the concept. I truly wish there was a site with VERY clear scans that could show the differences clearly. I have dull, white and coated stamps from this time period and am interested in the differences between them. Maybe someone could send me examples of all of the types so I can visually see the difference. My eyesight isn't what it used to be. I'd cover postage and stamp cost - no problem. Thanks for your help ahead of time. Tracy -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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Please Help Me Clear Up Belgian RR Paper Types
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:35:46 +0200, Rein wrote:
Thanks Rein. I received your e-mail as well. Will check them out. http://www.galeoptix.nl/fila/belg_pap.htm http://www.galeoptix.nl/fila/blg_pp01.htm all in Dutch I'm afraid... groetjes, Rein Op Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:07:47 +0200 schreef : Hi there. Serious question this time. I know we've had some discussion on Belgian RR paper types in the past, but I guess I'm a THICK person when it comes to some things. I know that Rein has posted some replies, but I'm not sure if they were quite clear or I mis-read them. I'll stick with the mis-read action for right now. Further, Rein's site has some info on it, but haven't looked past the Dutch for an answer. Maybe he can chime in with others about this. Here are the terms, when referring to the 1968 locomotive series: -- "terne" = dull paper. I assume this means definitely not bright white but rather a dull background. I think I may be able to decipher this one. -- "blanc" = blank paper? (translator must have gotten a bug in the system with this one.) I would think that this means white paper - a paper that definitely shows the whiteness. Brighter than terne above, but with no paper coating. -- "brilliant" = what? The only examples I have seen are coated stamps. Much like "blanc" above, but with a shiny coating on them. -- "polyvalent" = REALLY WHAT? I have this assumption that polyvalent, in this instance means much like the brilliant above. I have seen ads for this on delcampe. When showing the stamps side by side, there is a difference between them. I can think of the difference between typo and litho stamps. Polyvalent is the Belgian curse for "everything goes" What is meant by this is that the English manufacturers Harrison and Sons, Inverpak, Henry and Leigh Slater and also Coated Papers Ltd used a completely different type of paper [feasible for all printing methods: typography, recess and photogravure] than what they got before from the Belgian Intermills/Novarode Works at St. Genesiusrode. This paper is similar to what had been used for British Machin stamps. Epacar is the Belgian term for English paper originating from the H&L Slater or CPL manufacturers. Epacar = Etablissement de Papiers & Cartons, the Belgian firm importing H&L Slater and CPL paper! H&S had a direct contact with the Belgian Ministry of Government Supplies. So far, Goodnight! Rein -- "epacar" = no idea. We have mentioned that polyvalent is a synonym for a type of "general" paper, but I can't wrap the brain cells around the concept. I truly wish there was a site with VERY clear scans that could show the differences clearly. I have dull, white and coated stamps from this time period and am interested in the differences between them. Maybe someone could send me examples of all of the types so I can visually see the difference. My eyesight isn't what it used to be. I'd cover postage and stamp cost - no problem. Thanks for your help ahead of time. Tracy |
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Please Help Me Clear Up Belgian RR Paper Types
Sir Hystrics,
That page was prepared by me and Eric Mesdagh several years ago but unfortunately the OCB editors did not use our paper and gum types for the Railway stamps groetjes, Rein Op Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:06:58 +0200 schreef Sir Hystrix : Hi Tracy, Do you have the Belgian catalog (OCB)? In the dutch version on page 418 of the most recent OCB there is a page explaining the different paper and gum types, or at least an attempt to explain it. There is also a table which lists a reference stamp per paper type. If you don't have it I'll make a scan and send it to you. Good luck sorting your stamps. Sir Hystrix -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:06:58 +0200, Sir Hystrix
wrote: wrote: Hi there. Serious question this time. I know we've had some discussion on Belgian RR paper types in the past, but I guess I'm a THICK person when it comes to some things. I know that Rein has posted some replies, but I'm not sure if they were quite clear or I mis-read them. I'll stick with the mis-read action for right now. Further, Rein's site has some info on it, but haven't looked past the Dutch for an answer. Maybe he can chime in with others about this. Here are the terms, when referring to the 1968 locomotive series: -- "terne" = dull paper. I assume this means definitely not bright white but rather a dull background. I think I may be able to decipher this one. -- "blanc" = blank paper? (translator must have gotten a bug in the system with this one.) I would think that this means white paper - a paper that definitely shows the whiteness. Brighter than terne above, but with no paper coating. -- "brilliant" = what? The only examples I have seen are coated stamps. Much like "blanc" above, but with a shiny coating on them. -- "polyvalent" = REALLY WHAT? I have this assumption that polyvalent, in this instance means much like the brilliant above. I have seen ads for this on delcampe. When showing the stamps side by side, there is a difference between them. I can think of the difference between typo and litho stamps. -- "epacar" = no idea. We have mentioned that polyvalent is a synonym for a type of "general" paper, but I can't wrap the brain cells around the concept. I truly wish there was a site with VERY clear scans that could show the differences clearly. I have dull, white and coated stamps from this time period and am interested in the differences between them. Maybe someone could send me examples of all of the types so I can visually see the difference. My eyesight isn't what it used to be. I'd cover postage and stamp cost - no problem. Thanks for your help ahead of time. Tracy Hi Tracy, Do you have the Belgian catalog (OCB)? In the dutch version on page 418 of the most recent OCB there is a page explaining the different paper and gum types, or at least an attempt to explain it. There is also a table which lists a reference stamp per paper type. If you don't have it I'll make a scan and send it to you. Good luck sorting your stamps. Yes, I have the 2004 edition, which is quite helpful. Thank you for reminding me of that. Memory, like my eyesight, seems to waver at times. Geez, and I'm only a young'un still. |
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Please Help Me Clear Up Belgian RR Paper Types
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:00:37 +0200, Rein wrote:
Sir Hystrics, That page was prepared by me and Eric Mesdagh several years ago but unfortunately the OCB editors did not use our paper and gum types for the Railway stamps That I do remember you posting. Quite adamant and rightly so. Op Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:06:58 +0200 schreef Sir Hystrix : Hi Tracy, Do you have the Belgian catalog (OCB)? In the dutch version on page 418 of the most recent OCB there is a page explaining the different paper and gum types, or at least an attempt to explain it. There is also a table which lists a reference stamp per paper type. If you don't have it I'll make a scan and send it to you. Good luck sorting your stamps. Sir Hystrix |
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