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Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
I recently purchased a Seeburg C with the red cartridge. I want to change the needles because I don't know if I have a mono or stereo needle. All my records are stereo and I don't know if I should just put a .7 mil needle in my cartridge or if I should try buying a new cartridge. What will give me good quality sound out of this machine?
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Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
You are going to be told about some O3D or some thing like that 300$
cartridge by some people and its a WASTE of money . I put a Pickering aluminum gold colored cased cartidge in my Seeburg G and it sounds 5 times better than that O3D thing . It has no model # on it . I have seen them in black aluminum also and they go cheap . Mine plays all records just fine |
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Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
Well Ken, you're of course welcome to your own opinion, but I've found that
the Pickering 345-03D was an excellent replacement in terms of sound quality. Of course, I paid $50 or less for the ones that I bought. Would I pay $300 for one today? Probably not, but not because of the sound quality. Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic In article , (Ken G.) wrote: You are going to be told about some O3D or some thing like that 300$ cartridge by some people and its a WASTE of money . I put a Pickering aluminum gold colored cased cartidge in my Seeburg G and it sounds 5 times better than that O3D thing . It has no model # on it . I have seen them in black aluminum also and they go cheap . Mine plays all records just fine |
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Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
Good answer, Joseph (Tony). I feel the same way, from what I've heard
about the O3d. Not being as skilled in electronics/sound issues as others out there, I must beg the question, though, The original post was referring to a Seeburg C, and the follow-up reply was referring to a Seeburg G. Is there an issue (electronics-wise) with the difference between a C, and a "high-fidelity" G amp? I don't know....I only pose the question for those of us who are (otherwise) electronics illiterate. Rob Joseph A. 'Tony' Dziedzic wrote: Well Ken, you're of course welcome to your own opinion, but I've found that the Pickering 345-03D was an excellent replacement in terms of sound quality. Of course, I paid $50 or less for the ones that I bought. Would I pay $300 for one today? Probably not, but not because of the sound quality. Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic In article , (Ken G.) wrote: You are going to be told about some O3D or some thing like that 300$ cartridge by some people and its a WASTE of money . I put a Pickering aluminum gold colored cased cartidge in my Seeburg G and it sounds 5 times better than that O3D thing . It has no model # on it . I have seen them in black aluminum also and they go cheap . Mine plays all records just fine |
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Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
Many people do think the 03D sounds good because they have not heard the
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Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
Maybe they do, Ken. I've been involved with Seeburg jukes for some twenty-odd
years now, and have seen just about every cartridge made for and used on these machines. I also have a degree in EE, I worked as an assistant chief engineer at a radio station, and even did a stint as a disk jockey. I think I'm vaguely qualified to judge jukebox sound quality. Tony In article , (Ken G.) wrote: Many people do think the 03D sounds good because they have not heard the better ones . |
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Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
I have no doubt you are very good at what you do . I have been a repair
tech of old and new electronics for 30 years and lived through the heavy stereo years of the 70`s and lots of record players , speakers and sound quality but that certainly does not make me an expert . I only got started in jukeboxes the last 10 or so years and have restored several and helped restore some and repaired a few on request from random owners . I received a Seeburg G and restored it with its original red cartridge which sounded crappy . I then went to a juke guy near here who has a Seeburg C and borrowed one of his brand new O3D cartridges at the same time picked up my used gold Pickering cartridge and new needles at a local vending outfit . I came home and tried both in my G . The O3D sounded very clear and all but lacked in volume and bass so i tried the gold one and the machine never sounded better , super crisp hi`s and deep bass with tons of volume . I heard his Seeburg C while i was there with his O3D in it and it sounded real nice but not as good of bass as my G . The G has a tweeter The C does not so we wont compare hi`s .. not fare . The construction of this gold cartridge explains it all . Before i put it to perminent use i took it apart to clean and restore it . The needle on this is set up directly on the armature inside the cartridges coils . The O3D and red head use magnetic transfer between the needle structure and the coils inside , this creates a loss . He told me the input resistors had to be changed in his C to compensate for that O3D cartridge . The main purpose for the O3D is its very gentle on records because of its fine needle arm and light tracking force otherwise its just another cartridge that gained a ridiculous price for reasons unknown other than over rated word of mouth and the fact they are getting hard to find . There were also vintage standard double sided phono cartridges that were being adapted to a Seeburg tone arm plug that had a rating very close to the O3D but not as `pretty` . One of his G mechs had one of those on it that he had me work on so while it was here i tried that adapted cartrige in my G out of curiosity and it sounded just like an O3D . I know the only way to show some people would be to stand them in front of a jukebox and try each cartridge in it so they could hear for themselves . The moral of the story is .. The O3D sounds clear and with a resistor change it will sound louder . Is it worth 300$ .. NO |
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I appreciate your input guys but I don't know if I am any better off than when I started. I seemed to have started a feud of sorts. You have to understand that I am dumb as a rock when it comes to these cartridges. I know absolutely nothing of their history or upgrades. I just know the one on my machine is red. Is there a better cartridge available other than the OD3 that will sound decent of should I keep my red cartridge and just put new needles in it. I don't know what makes the red any better or any worse than other cartridges. Your help is greatly needed because I don't have a clue as to what I should do at this point. Thanks for your help guys!!! |
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Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
I don't think it's so much of a feud as a point of view. Ken feels the
345-03D is WAY over-priced, and I actually agree with him on that point. When they were in the $50-75 range they were the best alternative to the original red head cartridges. There ARE some older-manufacture cartridges out there that were also a good alternative in their days, but since they're no longer made, it's hard to suggest any of them. If you happen to have a local music operator in your area, and they happen to have some old Seeburg-style cartridges they'll sell cheap, you might find something you'd like. Your best bet is to replace the needles and keep the existing cartridge, unless you want to spend $300 for an 03D. Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic In article , rmoody1695 wrote: rmoody1695 Wrote: I recently purchased a Seeburg C with the red cartridge. I want to change the needles because I don't know if I have a mono or stereo needle. All my records are stereo and I don't know if I should just put a .7 mil needle in my cartridge or if I should try buying a new cartridge. What will give me good quality sound out of this machine? I appreciate your input guys but I don't know if I am any better off than when I started. I seemed to have started a feud of sorts. You have to understand that I am dumb as a rock when it comes to these cartridges. I know absolutely nothing of their history or upgrades. I just know the one on my machine is red. Is there a better cartridge available other than the OD3 that will sound decent of should I keep my red cartridge and just put new needles in it. I don't know what makes the red any better or any worse than other cartridges. Your help is greatly needed because I don't have a clue as to what I should do at this point. Thanks for your help guys!!! |
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Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
wrote in message ups.com... Inboomer scribbled; Good answer, Joseph (Tony). I feel the same way, from what I've heard about the O3d. Not being as skilled in electronics/sound issues as others out there, I must beg the question, though, The original post was referring to a Seeburg C, and the follow-up reply was referring to a Seeburg G. Is there an issue (electronics-wise) with the difference between a C, and a "high-fidelity" G amp?... snip.... The ''G'' Amp has the ultra-linear screen taps on the output transformer primary which reduce distortion... look up ''David Hafler'' for more info..snip.....I don't know....I only pose the question for those of us who are (otherwise) electronics illiterate. Rob Joseph A. 'Tony' Dziedzic wrote: Well Ken, you're of course welcome to your own opinion, but I've found that the Pickering 345-03D was an excellent replacement in terms of sound quality. Of course, I paid $50 or less for the ones that I bought. Would I pay $300 for one today? Probably not, but not because of the sound quality. Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic In article , (Ken G.) wrote: You are going to be told about some O3D or some thing like that 300$ cartridge by some people and its a WASTE of money . I put a Pickering aluminum gold colored cased cartidge in my Seeburg G and it sounds 5 times better than that O3D thing . It has no model # on it . I have seen them in black aluminum also and they go cheap . Mine plays all records just fine |
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