WARNING: Noodler's Inks

These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens. I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

-T

****-magnet wrote:

These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens. I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

Hello ****-magnet,

Just curious, what exactly was it that Noodler's supposedly did to this
Pelikan? I would love to see proof that Noodler's ink caused any damage to
this pen. I've been using Noodler's inks in my Pelikans (both vintage and
modern) since it first hit the market and I've had no problems whatsoever
with ink flow in any of my Pelikans nor has it caused any damage to any of
these pens. I do agree that it doesn't flow the greatest in pens that have
very fine feed channels but this can be adjusted by adding a little
distilled water to the ink.

Chuck Swisher

"Chuck Swisher" wrote in message
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****-magnet wrote:

These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens.
I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of
pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two
Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and
lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery
Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

Hello ****-magnet,

Just curious, what exactly was it that Noodler's supposedly did to
this
Pelikan? I would love to see proof that Noodler's ink caused any
damage to
this pen. I've been using Noodler's inks in my Pelikans (both
vintage and
modern) since it first hit the market and I've had no problems
whatsoever
with ink flow in any of my Pelikans nor has it caused any damage to
any of
these pens. I do agree that it doesn't flow the greatest in pens
that have
very fine feed channels but this can be adjusted by adding a little
distilled water to the ink.

Chuck Swisher


I haven't used it in my Pelican and I won't. It works fine in my MB.
As for the Waterman and Romet, both pens would not flow after sitting
nine days. What kind of "proof" do you want? The ink is concentrated
and leaves a beautiful mark but I will not use it is any pen that
doesn't have a generous flow (namely fine or medium nibs.) You are
suggesting that I dilute it. I will draw 5 ml of ink and add 10 drops
of dist h2o. I like the midnight blue with the finer medium nib and am
willing to try it again. I have a 3 oz bottle and wouldn't want it to
go to waste. Besides, after a little effort, both pens did seem to
unclog w/o perm damage. I must still emphasize that it is a good idea
to remove the ink from such pens if they aren't going to be used for a
while. Another collector/dealer advised me that the ink ruined his pen
to a point where after he unclogged it, it still never worked right
and subsequently he had to replace the nib. If that happened to me,
I'd ask the ink mfg to pay for a new nib. If they refused, I'd
penalize them by some other gradifying method. I'll post in a few
weeks and advise if the dilution helps.

9 days left sitting with ink in any pen.........will cause a problem. I can
only ditto Mr. Swisher here on Noodler's and BTW, it would be easier for me
to list the Noodler's colors and inks that I don't have vs. the ones that I
do, much easier.

"~****-magnet~" wrote in message
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"Chuck Swisher" wrote in message
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****-magnet wrote:

These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens.
I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of
pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two
Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and
lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery
Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

Hello ****-magnet,

Just curious, what exactly was it that Noodler's supposedly did to
this
Pelikan? I would love to see proof that Noodler's ink caused any
damage to
this pen. I've been using Noodler's inks in my Pelikans (both
vintage and
modern) since it first hit the market and I've had no problems
whatsoever
with ink flow in any of my Pelikans nor has it caused any damage to
any of
these pens. I do agree that it doesn't flow the greatest in pens
that have
very fine feed channels but this can be adjusted by adding a little
distilled water to the ink.

Chuck Swisher


I haven't used it in my Pelican and I won't. It works fine in my MB.
As for the Waterman and Romet, both pens would not flow after sitting
nine days. What kind of "proof" do you want? The ink is concentrated
and leaves a beautiful mark but I will not use it is any pen that
doesn't have a generous flow (namely fine or medium nibs.) You are
suggesting that I dilute it. I will draw 5 ml of ink and add 10 drops
of dist h2o. I like the midnight blue with the finer medium nib and am
willing to try it again. I have a 3 oz bottle and wouldn't want it to
go to waste. Besides, after a little effort, both pens did seem to
unclog w/o perm damage. I must still emphasize that it is a good idea
to remove the ink from such pens if they aren't going to be used for a
while. Another collector/dealer advised me that the ink ruined his pen
to a point where after he unclogged it, it still never worked right
and subsequently he had to replace the nib. If that happened to me,
I'd ask the ink mfg to pay for a new nib. If they refused, I'd
penalize them by some other gradifying method. I'll post in a few
weeks and advise if the dilution helps.

During the previous 20 years, my pens have gone sometimes ninety days+
without activity and never dried out. Rather than facing the time
consuming ritual of purging the ink in anticipation of an extended
holiday, I just won't use Noodles ink in my medium nibbed pens. A good
suggestion - be vigil of Noodler+medium/fine point+time-period
scenario. Mikey, you're a lucky guy having the correct combination of
pen and time schedule. I love the ink otherwise; I'll continue to use
the unadulterated product in my MB. I don't think concrete could clogg
that device!

"mge" wrote in message
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9 days left sitting with ink in any pen.........will cause a
problem. I can
only ditto Mr. Swisher here on Noodler's and BTW, it would be easier
for me
to list the Noodler's colors and inks that I don't have vs. the ones
that I
do, much easier.

"~****-magnet~" wrote in message
. com...

"Chuck Swisher" wrote in message
news:jcbeg.205547$5Z.14400@dukeread02...
****-magnet wrote:

These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed
pens.
I
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and
Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of
pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine
and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two
Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's
generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and
lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded
his
warning.

Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery
Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.

Hello ****-magnet,

Just curious, what exactly was it that Noodler's supposedly did
to
this
Pelikan? I would love to see proof that Noodler's ink caused any
damage to
this pen. I've been using Noodler's inks in my Pelikans (both
vintage and
modern) since it first hit the market and I've had no problems
whatsoever
with ink flow in any of my Pelikans nor has it caused any damage
to
any of
these pens. I do agree that it doesn't flow the greatest in pens
that have
very fine feed channels but this can be adjusted by adding a
little
distilled water to the ink.

Chuck Swisher


I haven't used it in my Pelican and I won't. It works fine in my
MB.
As for the Waterman and Romet, both pens would not flow after
sitting
nine days. What kind of "proof" do you want? The ink is
concentrated
and leaves a beautiful mark but I will not use it is any pen that
doesn't have a generous flow (namely fine or medium nibs.) You are
suggesting that I dilute it. I will draw 5 ml of ink and add 10
drops
of dist h2o. I like the midnight blue with the finer medium nib
and am
willing to try it again. I have a 3 oz bottle and wouldn't want it
to
go to waste. Besides, after a little effort, both pens did seem to
unclog w/o perm damage. I must still emphasize that it is a good
idea
to remove the ink from such pens if they aren't going to be used
for a
while. Another collector/dealer advised me that the ink ruined his
pen
to a point where after he unclogged it, it still never worked
right
and subsequently he had to replace the nib. If that happened to
me,
I'd ask the ink mfg to pay for a new nib. If they refused, I'd
penalize them by some other gradifying method. I'll post in a few
weeks and advise if the dilution helps.

****-magnet wrote:

I haven't used it in my Pelican and I won't. It works fine in my MB.
As for the Waterman and Romet, both pens would not flow after sitting
nine days. What kind of "proof" do you want? The ink is concentrated
and leaves a beautiful mark but I will not use it is any pen that
doesn't have a generous flow (namely fine or medium nibs.) You are
suggesting that I dilute it. I will draw 5 ml of ink and add 10 drops
of dist h2o. I like the midnight blue with the finer medium nib and am
willing to try it again. I have a 3 oz bottle and wouldn't want it to
go to waste. Besides, after a little effort, both pens did seem to
unclog w/o perm damage. I must still emphasize that it is a good idea
to remove the ink from such pens if they aren't going to be used for a
while. Another collector/dealer advised me that the ink ruined his pen
to a point where after he unclogged it, it still never worked right
and subsequently he had to replace the nib. If that happened to me,
I'd ask the ink mfg to pay for a new nib. If they refused, I'd
penalize them by some other gradifying method. I'll post in a few
weeks and advise if the dilution helps.

Tell you what, ask your friend to send that damaged nib to one of the folks
listed on our Vintage Pen Repair page to have it repaired. If they will
contact me and confirm that the nib was in fact damaged beyond repair from
the use of any Noodler's ink, I will buy your friend a replacement nib for
that Pelikan. The only way Noodler's ink could have clogged up a nib and
feed to the point where it was impossible to clean is if it were mixed with
another ink. Noodler's inks are made from the same materials as the other
water based fountain pen inks are made, there is no shellac or anything else
in this ink that would gum up a feed to where it couldn't be cleaned with a
little water or water mixed with ammonia if allowed to dry out completely in
a pen. Here is the link to our Vintage Pen Repair page:

http://www.swisherpens.com/repairs.html

Let me know if this person is willing to take me up on this offer. He could
also send the pen directly to Mr. Tardif (who just happens to know a little
about repairs himself) to have that nib looked at. Let me know and I'll
give you his address.

Best regards,

Chuck Swisher -

Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com

Tele: (757) 539-2209, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787

"Chuck Swisher" wrote in message
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****-magnet wrote:

I haven't used it in my Pelican and I won't. It works fine in my
MB.
As for the Waterman and Romet, both pens would not flow after
sitting
nine days. What kind of "proof" do you want? The ink is
concentrated
and leaves a beautiful mark but I will not use it is any pen that
doesn't have a generous flow (namely fine or medium nibs.) You are
suggesting that I dilute it. I will draw 5 ml of ink and add 10
drops
of dist h2o. I like the midnight blue with the finer medium nib
and am
willing to try it again. I have a 3 oz bottle and wouldn't want it
to
go to waste. Besides, after a little effort, both pens did seem to
unclog w/o perm damage. I must still emphasize that it is a good
idea
to remove the ink from such pens if they aren't going to be used
for a
while. Another collector/dealer advised me that the ink ruined his
pen
to a point where after he unclogged it, it still never worked
right
and subsequently he had to replace the nib. If that happened to
me,
I'd ask the ink mfg to pay for a new nib. If they refused, I'd
penalize them by some other gradifying method. I'll post in a few
weeks and advise if the dilution helps.

Tell you what, ask your friend to send that damaged nib to one of
the folks
listed on our Vintage Pen Repair page to have it repaired. If they
will
contact me and confirm that the nib was in fact damaged beyond
repair from
the use of any Noodler's ink, I will buy your friend a replacement
nib for
that Pelikan. The only way Noodler's ink could have clogged up a
nib and
feed to the point where it was impossible to clean is if it were
mixed with
another ink. Noodler's inks are made from the same materials as the
other
water based fountain pen inks are made, there is no shellac or
anything else
in this ink that would gum up a feed to where it couldn't be cleaned
with a
little water or water mixed with ammonia if allowed to dry out
completely in
a pen. Here is the link to our Vintage Pen Repair page:

http://www.swisherpens.com/repairs.html

Let me know if this person is willing to take me up on this offer.
He could
also send the pen directly to Mr. Tardif (who just happens to know a
little
about repairs himself) to have that nib looked at. Let me know and
I'll
give you his address.

Best regards,

Chuck Swisher -

Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com

Tele: (757) 539-2209, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787


I'm sure he is a regular in here and has been longer than I. He'll see
your generous offer and I need not act as agent. BTW, I want to tell
you that your permanent cobalt-blue ink is one of the most beautiful
colors I have ever seen and it is impervious to any reasonable assult
I can apply, including an overnight soak in water. It drys and does
not appear it has even been wet. Bravo! Still I'll never use it in
any medium or fine-nibbed instrument (the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but.)

~****-magnet~ wrote:

... someone complained to me that Noodler's
totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to replacement. ...

Friend of a friend? Humbug, I say. I have used
a Swisher-bought Pelikan 600 with a fine nib loaded
with Noodler's black quite carelessly with no ill
effect whatever. I leave it in the pen for weeks at
a time, pick it up and write with it without so much
as a fraction of a millimeter skippage. No clogging,
no ruination, no tilting of the Earth on its axis.

Perhaps your FOAF's Pelly was ruinated by
injudicious loanage?

"Tetractys" wrote in message
news
~****-magnet~ wrote:

... someone complained to me that Noodler's
totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to replacement. ...

Friend of a friend? Humbug, I say. I have used
a Swisher-bought Pelikan 600 with a fine nib loaded
with Noodler's black quite carelessly with no ill
effect whatever. I leave it in the pen for weeks at
a time, pick it up and write with it without so much
as a fraction of a millimeter skippage. No clogging,
no ruination, no tilting of the Earth on its axis.

Perhaps your FOAF's Pelly was ruinated by
injudicious loanage?


I've had the Pelly about a month. I'll never loan it to anyone. Once I
let a bank officer use my MB briefly. She held it upside-down and made
a feathery scratch that squirted ink across the doc. It was actually
funny. Fortunately the pen wasn't harmed. The majority of people
haven't ever seen a FP let alone knowing how to use one.

~****-magnet~ wrote:
Tetractys wrote:
~****-magnet~ wrote:

... someone complained to me that Noodler's
totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to replacement. ...

Friend of a friend? Humbug, I say. I have used
a Swisher-bought Pelikan 600 with a fine nib loaded
with Noodler's black quite carelessly with no ill
effect whatever. I leave it in the pen for weeks at
a time, pick it up and write with it without so much
as a fraction of a millimeter skippage. No clogging,
no ruination, no tilting of the Earth on its axis.

Perhaps your FOAF's Pelly was ruinated by
injudicious loanage?

I've had the Pelly about a month. I'll never loan it to anyone.
Once I let a bank officer use my MB briefly. She held it upside-
down and made a feathery scratch that squirted ink across the
doc. It was actually funny. Fortunately the pen wasn't harmed.
The majority of people haven't ever seen a FP let alone knowing
how to use one.

*You had the Pelly about a month? Get your story
straight, Mr. Magnet. You said "someone complained
to me that Noodler's ink ruined his Pelikan." Whatever
credibility you may have had is evaporating.