Linns and Stamp Scissoring

On 09 Jul 2003 00:38:03 GMT, unity (DBoyd001) wrote:

Yo Dave! We got 'em going! :^P

Tracy Barber

I finally received my copy of Linn's today. I did note quite a bit of
editing done to my letter. Did you also notice the dig at the letter about
using stamps framed to hang on walls? We may have them going, but they are
unrepentant.

The ttpthththtppthttt! with them, Dave! :^P Mine was edited a bit as
well. They didn't include the part about the Native Americans, which
I thoguht was pretty darn pertinent...

FYI... to compare, my original letter follows:

Dear Mr. Schreiber,
While you and reader Christine Crawford express dismay and, might I
surmise, disgust at the use of stamps for art and craft projects I take an
opposite or at least contrasting viewpoint.
Stamps may be "sacred" to us as collectors, but they are not to other
people. Stamps are not religious objects and thus can not be "desecrated" as
implied. The statement ending with "... stamps used other than as God
intended" is so narrowminded and just plain weird. I don't recall a single
stamp issued by God or any other deity.
Stamps are a great source of pleasure for people making other crafts and
arts. I have donated my own surplus stamps for others to use in such projects
as have several other contributors in the newsgroup
rec.collecting.stamps.discuss. We don't donate sets of Columbians, Penny
Blacks or any other variety of very collectible stamps. What I have donated to
these craftspeople are the bane of collectors... damaged stamps that have no
place in a collection and the utterly common stamps that make one weep with
their commonality. These stamps are not sellable and just as much untradable.
To not donate them for crafts would doom them to the trash. Those stamps have
a second life to provide pleasure to others who may or may not share this hobby
of collecting stamps. I believe to use them to create something that is
creative, pleasurable and enjoyable is far better than to send those stamps to
the nearest landfill.
Their hobby may not be our's, but there is no need to vilify anyone for
it. I will continue to donate my "trash stamps" to those with other hobbies
that can use them.

Dave - This was mine:


Scissoring stamps for art projects breaks sacred trust
By Michael Schreiber


Seriously - and this is VERY serious - TO ME - that these damaged
stamps are being treated the same way the American Indians do and have
done with hunting wildlife such as bison and deer:

A) They fed themselves
B) They clothed themselves
C) They made weapons from other parts

My Stamps:

A) The better versions will go into my collection
B) Those without damage (or very minute damage) will be used in
trading and selling.
C) Those that are damaged will be given away - free of charge - to
those who will create something with them. This removes them from
the collector
circuit.

Mr. Schreiber's and Linn's vehement stature about not showing anything
like stamp art is ludicrous. To rob someone (a possible newbie to
collecting
stamps) of the chance to make something out of nothing is truly
amazing.
These damaged stamps are nothing to most of us. They keep coming back

around and around and around until we're tired of them. We pass them
along to others who make something nice out of them. They are, in
effect,
being recycled.

I have donated at least 300,000 damaged stamps to artists since I
started the
practice of doing it. I have since received some examples of the
artwork. I
do not question their motives as long as they do no recirculate these
stamps into
the mainstream.

The damaged stamps I have SHOULD NOT be passed on to newbies who seem
to get
a lot of chaff. Decent, undamaged stamps SHOULD be passed on to them
if we
want to keep them with us for any period of time. Also, explaining to
the newbies about the differences will make an informed collector of
of them down the road.

If someone would want 100 free, undamaged U.S. or WW stamps, they can
write me a letter at:

Tracy Barber
326 Partridge Street
Albany, N.Y. 12208

I have already donated 110,000 stamps - worldwide - by promoting ONLY
through the internet. There are NO FEES and NO STRINGS attached. I
pay
postage. My funding is from my duplicates and donations from other
like
minded collectors who wish to better the stamp collecting hobby.

To me, this is like Mr. Schreiber burying his head in the sand when it
comes to this topic. Very disturbing indeed. Completely brushing it
aside as if it were religious sacrilege.

I wonder where he recycles his damaged stamps? The office garbage
can?

Tracy Barber
APS #184242


Tracy Barber

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 03:03:25 GMT, "Bill Sharpe"
wrote:

I have sent a response to Schreiber suggesting that the damaged stamps that
E. Rawolik writes about each week are certainly suitable for uses other than
in albums. And, of course, not even the collecting community agrees with
Schreiber. At the recent January Aripex show they displayed a statue of a
horse that was decorated with stamps.

Yee-haaa!

You can see a picture of the statue at
http://www.nawcc.org/headquarters/news/tucson.htm.

--- :^P to those who want to HOARD damaged stamps

Tracy Barber

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:09:24 -0700, J. A. Mc.
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:02:10 -0400, Kaleb KEITHLEY
found these unused words floating about:

J. A. Mc. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:02:12 -0500, "A.E. Gelat"
found these unused words floating about:


"Erik" wrote in message
m...

I totally agree Schreiber is not on the money, he even wrote and
published an article that should have been edited.
Especially the sentence "... is one of the few times we've shown
stamps used other than as God intended" is way out of line.

Philately has nothing to do with religion. And what about Allah and
Budha? He should not have printed that sentence, people can be
offended by it.

Moslerms are offended by your paragraph. Allah is the Arabic name
for the same God, just like Dieu or Dio, and not a different deity, like
Buddha.


Then if we believe in the same 'god', why are christians 'infidels'?


Because when you were born, your father didn't whisper "Il illah Allah,
Mohammed razul Allah" in your ear.

So your father supersedes 'god' if you're a muslem? Hmmm.

Muslem, yes. Muslim, no. :^P

Tracy Barber

Then if we believe in the same 'god', why are christians 'infidels'?


Because when you were born, your father didn't whisper "Il illah Allah,
Mohammed razul Allah" in your ear.

So your father supersedes 'god' if you're a muslem? Hmmm.

The word is Muslim, not "muslem".

Bob Ingraham

From a post of mine Dec 2002
I do have a photo.......somewhere.

There was a promotion here in Perth 1974, where a dealer (Wim Smits)
covered his car in stamps affixed by flour paste, during "Stamp Week"
and driving it around the city. Apparently was a real success, people were
invited to guess how many stamps covered the car for a selection
of prizes.
There were 8,880 from memory, on a Ford Escort

| I have sent a response to Schreiber suggesting that the damaged stamps that
| E. Rawolik writes about each week are certainly suitable for uses other than
| in albums. And, of course, not even the collecting community agrees with
| Schreiber. At the recent January Aripex show they displayed a statue of a
| horse that was decorated with stamps.
|
| You can see a picture of the statue at
| http://www.nawcc.org/headquarters/news/tucson.htm.
Bill Sharpe

J. A. Mc. wrote:



Then if we believe in the same 'god', why are christians 'infidels'?


Because when you were born, your father didn't whisper "Il illah Allah,
Mohammed razul Allah" in your ear.


So your father supersedes 'God' if you're a muslim? Hmmm.

No.

--

Kaleb S. KEITHLEY

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:29:19 GMT, Bob Ingraham
found these unused words floating about:


Then if we believe in the same 'god', why are christians 'infidels'?


Because when you were born, your father didn't whisper "Il illah Allah,
Mohammed razul Allah" in your ear.

So your father supersedes 'god' if you're a muslem? Hmmm.

The word is Muslim, not "muslem".

So your father supersedes 'god' if you're a muslim? Hmmm.

Then if we believe in the same 'god', why are christians 'infidels'?


Because when you were born, your father didn't whisper "Il illah Allah,
Mohammed razul Allah" in your ear.

So your father supersedes 'god' if you're a muslem? Hmmm.

The word is Muslim, not "muslem".

So your father supersedes 'god' if you're a muslim? Hmmm.


Is this anything to do with that well-known phrase...

"God help you when your Father gets home!"

David.

J. A. Mc. wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:29:19 GMT, Bob Ingraham
found these unused words floating about:


Then if we believe in the same 'god', why are christians 'infidels'?


Because when you were born, your father didn't whisper "Il illah Allah,
Mohammed razul Allah" in your ear.

So your father supersedes 'god' if you're a muslem? Hmmm.

The word is Muslim, not "muslem".


So your father supersedes 'god' if you're a muslim? Hmmm.


And the answer is still "no!"

Whispering "There is one God, Muhammed is His messenger" in your ear
doesn't mean your father supersedes God.

Since Christians don't believe in Muhammed as God's messenger they are,
by definition, infidels, since that's what 'infidel' means: an
unbeliever with respect to a particular religion...

--

Kaleb S. KEITHLEY

Replying to you privately since I don't want to get SPAM started at the
office.

Technically Christians and Jews are not Infidels since they are both
people "of the Book" meaning the Old Testement which is also revered by
Islam.

Kaleb KEITHLEY wrote:

J. A. Mc. wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:29:19 GMT, Bob Ingraham
found these unused words floating about:


Then if we believe in the same 'god', why are christians 'infidels'?


Because when you were born, your father didn't whisper "Il illah Allah,
Mohammed razul Allah" in your ear.

So your father supersedes 'god' if you're a muslem? Hmmm.

The word is Muslim, not "muslem".


So your father supersedes 'god' if you're a muslim? Hmmm.


And the answer is still "no!"

Whispering "There is one God, Muhammed is His messenger" in your ear
doesn't mean your father supersedes God.

Since Christians don't believe in Muhammed as God's messenger they are,
by definition, infidels, since that's what 'infidel' means: an
unbeliever with respect to a particular religion...

--

Kaleb S. KEITHLEY