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On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:15:35 -0600, Wheeler
wrote: I have been watching this newsgroup for about 4 years now, and only posting for about 2 years..... I STILL fail to understand some peoples logic as to just why they have to jump on you each and every time that you post anything at all..... I do not care what you post, there is some people that is going to try and correct you in something.... Does these people have a life? If they do not like you, why answer you at all? Yes, I was guilty of this one time, but I was wrong and you pointed out to me that you wanted me to ask the entire newsgroup my question so that I would have more than just one persons word for my question. I mean, it is getting that I feel sorry for you when I see you post anything, just because I know in my heart, that there is going to be a some people that will go into "pit bull mode" and just tear you apart..... But then again, let them want to know something about ancients, they will ask you, and you will answer them..... Does not make any sense to me.... It's only a handful of people who do this. The usual suspects. You point to a truth about it. The expression "Get a life" may be an online cliche, but it's applicable. I used to get sucked into this junk, in this newsgroup and others, and then I'd start responding in kind with my own junk, Pavlovian response. But I think I've finally (took me long enough) got an effective strategy for keeping the gnats at bay, using killfiles. Don't like doing it, being a strong proponent of free speech and open expression, which is why I resisted for so long, but it seems the better of two evils. I think these people lash out like they do, trying to sabotage threads with name-calling and petty, ****y criticisms, for three main reasons: I enjoy exploring the gray, controversial areas. I like the art of debate, substantive debate, not ****y flamejunk. And I have much cooler coins than anyone else on Earth. Oh, and I sometimes make jokes like this that the intelligentsia misconstrue. All in a day's play. Thanks for speaking out. I hope your doing so doesn't get you flamed, but it may. You can probably also expect to get email from the electronic shut-ins trying to win you over to their side. Pathetic stuff. I need to get a life here too, I guess, or at least some sleep. Later. -- Email: (delete "remove this") Coin Collecting: Consumer Guide: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Glomming: Coin Connoisseurship: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Bogos: Counterfeit Coins: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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Phil DeMayo wrote:
Wheeler wrote: I have been watching this newsgroup for about 4 years now, and only posting for about 2 years..... I STILL fail to understand some peoples logic as to just why they have to jump on you each and every time that you post anything at all. Roscoe.....Reid's post (a response to himself) was nothing more than a thinly veiled attack aimed at several posters to this newsgroup, myself included. He claims that others start "****y fights" and engage in name calling and then he goes and posts something like this. At last count he had personally insulted almost 40 posters to this newsgroup. Reid is an a-hole and most posters here recognize this. ++++++++++ Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge When bidding online always sit on your helmet Just say NO to counterfeits Phil, and the other people that I NOW know that Reid made a personal attack at, including all AOL users out there....... Yes, I know that when he does post, there are people (not calling any names) that "to me" it appears they will attack him at the drop of a hat. Why? I do not know because I do not read each and every post that is posted because I just do not have the time. Maybe he does deserve what he gets. In this post, it was pointed out to me, by private email, that yes he did direct this post at a few people on this newsgroup including ALL AOL users. I am now sorry that I did not take more time to read the post better than I did.... I guess with all that has happened to me in the past year, I am now looking at life through different eyes. After you look at death, die on the operating table and they have to bring you back, you will look at things differently. So with this, I would like to say, I was wrong with my first post, I see that now and while I can not take back what I posted, but I will watch more closely next time that I post something...... Phil, Yes Sir, I do see that this was a direct attack against you and a couple of other people, and when he made the statement: "Some because of their own demons just lie, making things up." Well, I do believe that also to be a direct attack against another person on this newsgroup, (again, no name). All I can say is, I am sorry. ================================================= Roscoe Wheeler2000 AT centurytel.net Ebay- 1Wheeler, ICQ- 876749, Yahoo Messenger- Wheeler72512 "We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out." Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962. |
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Wheeler wrote:
Phil, Yes Sir, I do see that this was a direct attack against you and a couple of other people, and when he made the statement: "Some because of their own demons just lie, making things up." Well, I do believe that also to be a direct attack against another person on this newsgroup, (again, no name). Of course it was....yet in his response to you he claims he doesn't engage in "****y flamejunk"...pathetic hypocrite. All I can say is, I am sorry. An apology is not necessary. I just wanted to make sure you hadn't fallen victim to the seduction of the Dark Side. ;-) ++++++++++ Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge When bidding online always sit on your helmet Just say NO to counterfeits |
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Wheeler wrote:
snipI STILL fail to understand some peoples logic as to just why they have to jump on you each and every time that you post anything at all.snip Reid responded: snipI used to get sucked into this junk, in this newsgroup and others, and then I'd start responding in kind with my own junk, Pavlovian response. But I think I've finally (took me long enough) got an effective strategy for keeping the gnats at bay, using killfiles. Don't like doing it, being a strong proponent of free speech and open expression, which is why I resisted for so long, but it seems the better of two evils.snip Poor Wheeler. He may believe this. This thread was going just fine, no flames were thrown. At least none that I could see on WEBTV. I saw none quoted, so I may be wrong, but Reid was the first to respond to HIMSELF. Since we all know who he was referring to in his second posting, and the "fact" that he has killfiled them, seems kind of underhanded of him. So, Wheeler, he brings it on himself. He has done this since I first started on this group. I too was wondering why everyone got in his face, NOW I know why. Reid is a 5 yr old, that can turn a computer on, they learn this in 1st grade, so he is 1 step ahead of the rest of the 5 yo He is the street bullyI doubt he has the guts to do this in person tho he is the one who is always at the Principles office and can never just sit still in class. When things are going too smothly, he just can't help himself. Has to start anything, just to tell everyone he has KF those who he bashes. Wheeler, feel sorry for Reid, he really can use it, and he will. Allows him to tell us all AGAIN who he has KF. And at the same time degrade them. So very childish, but expected. Butch Australian Milk Producers Association http://www.geocities.com/ampa_ltd/ Calling ALL farmers, rural businesses, australians! See http://home.iprimus.com.au/wpbalcombe/ Please leave feedback re OZ Dairy Crisis at http://geocities.yahoo.com/gb/sign?member=BAlcs9 Welcome to "Balcowa"! http://www.geocities.com/balcs9/index.htm |
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Wheeler wrote:
snipSo with this, I would like to say, I was wrong with my first post, I see that now and while I can not take back what I posted, but I will watch more closely next time that I post something......snip Sure you can remove it, right? Ask Reid how to do it!!!!!g Butch Australian Milk Producers Association http://www.geocities.com/ampa_ltd/ Calling ALL farmers, rural businesses, australians! See http://home.iprimus.com.au/wpbalcombe/ Please leave feedback re OZ Dairy Crisis at http://geocities.yahoo.com/gb/sign?member=BAlcs9 Welcome to "Balcowa"! http://www.geocities.com/balcs9/index.htm |
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"Reid Goldsborough" apologised in message ... .... My computer skills have nothing to do with this. Neither does my dog's name or what I had for breakfast this morning. You make the statement that my computer skills are "limited." Based on? Doesn't matter. I've never contended I was an expert, but I've been around computers a while, BBSing well before the Internet explosion, figuring out how to add Zmodem to ProComm, writing a shareware collection of macros for XyWrite, writing and desktop publishing the manual for the DOS menuing program Hard Disk Menu, and being a part-time computer consultant during the days when 286s were screaming fast machines. LOL! A little learning is a dangerous thing. |
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"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:38:37 -0500, Reid Goldsborough wrote: One of the positive things that people do here and in other online discussion groups is share information. The counterpoint to the above is the misinformation that gets disseminated through online discussion groups. The old caveat applies about being careful about any information you find on the Internet. Unlike with print publishing, those putting out information are typically amateurs, without training or experience in fact checking, judging the reliability of sources, and so on. And not having editors review material before publication also decreases the reliability of the information. People play expert online, pretending they're lawyers or doctors. Some people posting from AOL accounts play computer expert. Some look not to put out accurate information but to promote an agenda -- this is no different from advocacy print publications -- and you see it in this newsgroup most blatantly with those who oppose the keeping of counterfeit coins and who put out counterfeit information. Some like to think they're bold thinkers, overturning the established wisdom with clever verbiage while ignoring much of the literature published about their new paradigms and otherwise failing to review the relevant evidence. Some because of their own demons just lie, making things up. But the single most curious thing, to me, about the subject of misinformation in online discussion groups is the inability or unwillingness of some to admit it when they're gotten something wrong. You see this over and over. People argue and argue their points well beyond reason and common sense, or they stop arguing their points and start attacking personally those they're debating, or they utter guttural sounds or otherwise emote noncerebrally, or they stop responding entirely. Conversely, some of the most refreshing things you see are statements such as "I hadn't considered that," or "That's something I didn't know," or "I need to check more into this," or "You may be right." It reassures that reasonableness is a human trait, even online, that's not totally extinct, that a meeting of the minds, even when initially separate or distant, can happen. Reid, is this (above): (1) a cleverly-crafted and devious troll post, or (2) the most gratuitously self-serving piece of naive claptrap to grace this ng in months? ....or maybe both? Whatever, it marks itself indelibly as a classic case of projection. Really! How can you show your "face" in this forum and complain of "scat reference deleted flameposts" after writing a piece like that? (I'm already regretting feeding this troll.) |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:11:55 -0500, Reid Goldsborough
wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:15:35 -0600, Wheeler wrote: I have been watching this newsgroup for about 4 years now, and only posting for about 2 years..... I STILL fail to understand some peoples logic as to just why they have to jump on you each and every time that you post anything at all..... I do not care what you post, snip It's only a handful of people who do this. Huh, better learn how to count. The usual suspects. You point to a truth about it. The expression "Get a life" may be an online cliche, but it's applicable. I used to get sucked into this junk, in this newsgroup and others, and then I'd start responding in kind with my own junk, Pavlovian response. But I think I've finally (took me long enough) got an effective strategy for keeping the gnats at bay, using killfiles. Don't like doing it, being a strong proponent of free speech and open expression, which is why I resisted for so long, but it seems the better of two evils. You just can't resist throwing more fuel on the fire. I think these people lash out like they do, trying to sabotage threads with name-calling and petty, ****y criticisms, for three main reasons: I enjoy exploring the gray, controversial areas. I like the art of debate, substantive debate, Who wants to debate with you? When the ball gets out of your court you go into name calling mode, lashing out at those that don't agree with you. not ****y flamejunk. And I have much cooler coins than anyone else on Earth. Oh, and I sometimes make jokes like this that the intelligentsia misconstrue. All in a day's play. Thanks for speaking out. I hope your doing so doesn't get you flamed, but it may. You can probably also expect to get email from the electronic shut-ins trying to win you over to their side. Pathetic stuff. I need to get a life here too, I guess, or at least some sleep. Later. The day you stepped into RCC you were nothing but trouble and you still are. Don "Just when I was getting used to yesterday, along came today." |
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Allen McBroom wrote
absolutel best response to trolls is no response at all. They tend to give up and vanish rather quickly when their efforts generate no response at all, as they can tolerate almost anything except for attention- deficiency. Allow me to direct you to the Archives, where you can enjoy this morality play: From: from West of the Pecos ) Subject: Super Coin Comics Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins Date: 2003-05-18 23:41:21 PST $$ !! SUPER COIN COMICS !!$$ MARVEL AT THE SUPER DETECTIVES AND ACE ADVENTURERS! TITANIC STRUGGLES!! MONSTEROUS VILLAINS !! GOOD AND EVIL -CLASH- IN THE TIMELESS CORRIDORS OF NUMISMATICS!! IN THIS ISSUE THE RECREATIONAL COIN COLLECTORS VERSUS THE GOLDBUG! |
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