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I'm certain that Fwankie has "notes" on this one!!!
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I'm certain that Fwankie has "notes" on this one!!!
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:37:25 -0700 (PDT), oly wrote:
Very nice: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1853-Liberty...em43b2b dc024 oly know nery little about small denomination gold other than they were often counterfeited....but "tallar"??? |
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I'm certain that Fwankie has "notes" on this one!!!
On Aug 19, 11:17*am, Phil DeMayo wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:37:25 -0700 (PDT), oly wrote: Very nice: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1853-Liberty...Gold-Coin-FREE... oly *know nery little about small denomination gold other than they were often counterfeited....but "tallar"??? I am amused at the chutzpah (or sheer ignornace) of the seller. oly |
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I'm certain that Fwankie has "notes" on this one!!!
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:37:25 -0700 (PDT), oly wrote:
Very nice: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1853-Liberty...em43b2b dc024 oly I have two of these and they are just fantasy pieces. The was a phamplet that came out in 1984 that had them listed, but for the majority of information the following snippet might be helpful Links To Micro-National and Fantasy Coins: Listings C1 http://www.oocities.org/erik_mccrea/linksC1.html REPUBLIC OF CAMALA/REPUBLIC OF MALACA/REPUBLIC OF AMALIA: One and all, these are smallish gold pieces bearing the enthrallingly oddball denomination of "1 Tallar". For starters, I obtained (on eBay) two nearly identical versions of the “Republic of Camala” coin: one is a diminutive 13mm and the other is an even tinier 10mm. Each piece came mounted on a sturdy 9-karat gold ring, which actually happens to be but one of the possible “natural settings” for these wearable curiosities. According to Mr. Mike Locke, whose helpful messages about the Camala pieces prompted me to embark upon my initial foray into this cluster of nonexistent republics, these “Tallar tokens were struck in England for use in the jewelry trade, circa 1980.” An apparent jeweler's fantasy, these coins have also appeared on pendants. Then, thanks to John and Carly Wilkinson, I acquired a similar Tallar (10mm) from the “Republic of Malaca” (not to be confused with Malacca, a Malay sultanate). I also have another Malaca piece, which I purchased from Mr. Jimmy Collins. It is a much thinner and easily bendable coin (also 10mm), affixed to a flimsy ring. Note that the only difference between the names “Camala” and “Malaca” is merely the result of a single syllable being switched to different positions. The Camala pieces are dated 1853, and the Malaca pieces are dated 1854. Mrs. Kay Sanders, a fellow eBayer, owns a Camala ring with “Birmingham 1976” hallmarked on its shank. This indicates where and when an assayer inspected/marked the piece, but perhaps this is also a significant clue in regards to the origin (place/time) of the coin itself. Another Tallar, dated 1853, exists from the “United States of America” (the ring pertaining to one of these was described by its seller as having a “Sheffield 1977” marking). In fact, all the Tallar look-alikes are based on James B. Longacre’s Liberty Head gold Dollar (also known as the Type I gold Dollar), minted from 1849-1854. So what is a “Tallar”, anyway? One Web-site claims that it was an “Egyptian unit equal to 20 Piastres” (and that an Ashrafi was “formerly one third of a Tallar”). Another person maintains that it is the Afrikaans word for Dollar (which itself originated with a 16th century coin known as the “Joachimstaler” — a shortened, far-reaching version of this name, Taler/Thaler, was eventually altered to Daler/Daalder). Whatever the case may be, the word “Tallar” has several historical variants which share similar spellings; these include Talar/Talara (Poland), Talaro (Ethiopia), Talirion (Greece), Tallero (Eritrea, Ethiopia, Italian states, Ragusa), Tolar (Bohemia, Slovenia), as well as the previously noted Taler and Thaler (because they had far too ubiquitous a range, I'll refrain from listing every single nation-state in which they circulated). In an unexpected twist, I was lucky to encounter (on eBay) a pair of “Republic of Amalia” 1 Tallar pieces, dated 1854. Each coin (13mm) is attached to its own dangle/drop earring. Their original owner, Mrs. Andrea Meredith, stated that she purchased the twosome in the 1980s. When compared side by side with the Camala and Malaca pieces, the engraving of the Liberty Head on the Amalia coin is of slightly inferior quality; this might suggest that chronologically, it could’ve been produced shortly after the other two Tallars (a more recent, marginally modern follow-up?). Nevertheless, it is probably safe to assume that Amalia is the third (and final?) sister of Camala and Malaca. Overall, the three of them are almost so indistinguishable from one another that they could easily pass as identical offsprings: the Tallar Triplets (quadruplets, if we include the American Tallar; though I prefer to regard her as the venerable “matriarch” of the lot). Pete |
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