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Question of ethics re scanning notes
Was at the Baltimore show and had a contemporary counterfeit Confederate note.
labeled as such, in the case. Guy asked to see it, and after looking at it whipped out a scanner of some kind and began taking pictures of it for his personal information. .. The question is, is it or is it not ethical to take a picture of someone else's property without asking permission first? I believe that it is extremely rude, but would appreciate opinions as to the ethicality of the action. .. By the way, if he had asked permission to scan the item, I would have said yes. .. Tom DeLorey |
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You will probably see copies of it for sale on the fleaBay coming soon. I
would have told him that in the very least if he wanted to scan it he would have to have purchased it thence he can do whatever he wants. Dave -- Please see my Numismatic Website; http://www.delta.edu/davidparrish Tir nam Beann, nan Gleann, s'nan Gaisgeach - Saor Alba A-Nis! "TomDeLorey" wrote in message ... Was at the Baltimore show and had a contemporary counterfeit Confederate note. labeled as such, in the case. Guy asked to see it, and after looking at it whipped out a scanner of some kind and began taking pictures of it for his personal information. . The question is, is it or is it not ethical to take a picture of someone else's property without asking permission first? I believe that it is extremely rude, but would appreciate opinions as to the ethicality of the action. . By the way, if he had asked permission to scan the item, I would have said yes. . Tom DeLorey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/04 |
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Mobile phones with a built in camera, or even built in video camera, are
becoming very common in the UK so it may become an even bigger problem here. Billy TomDeLorey wrote: Was at the Baltimore show and had a contemporary counterfeit Confederate note. labeled as such, in the case. Guy asked to see it, and after looking at it whipped out a scanner of some kind and began taking pictures of it for his personal information. . The question is, is it or is it not ethical to take a picture of someone else's property without asking permission first? I believe that it is extremely rude, but would appreciate opinions as to the ethicality of the action. . By the way, if he had asked permission to scan the item, I would have said yes. . Tom DeLorey |
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I would agree with your thinking that he should not have done so without
your permission. very rude indeed. Mark "TomDeLorey" wrote in message ... Was at the Baltimore show and had a contemporary counterfeit Confederate note. labeled as such, in the case. Guy asked to see it, and after looking at it whipped out a scanner of some kind and began taking pictures of it for his personal information. . The question is, is it or is it not ethical to take a picture of someone else's property without asking permission first? I believe that it is extremely rude, but would appreciate opinions as to the ethicality of the action. . By the way, if he had asked permission to scan the item, I would have said yes. . Tom DeLorey |
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From: TomDeLorey
Was at the Baltimore show and had a note labeled as contemporary counterfeit Confederate. Guy asked to see it, and after looking at it, whipped out a scanner of some kind and began taking pictures of it for his personal information. The question is, is it or is it not ethical to take a picture of someone else's property without asking permission first? I believe that it is extremely rude, but would appreciate opinions as to the ethicality of the action. I agree, it was tactless, and obviously offensive. The only acceptible excuse would have been if the person was in law enforcement, and acting on a case involving counterfeits. If it had been in California, it might have actually been illegal, technically (since it was an "engraving" and therefore "artwork" which he did not own, and did not obtain permission). By the way, if he had asked permission to scan the item, I would have said yes. But not the point. If he had done that, then looked at a second one and asked if he could photograph / scan the 2nd one, would you still have agreed? Not I, after the first infraction, even though I would have, otherwise. It's not a question of legalities, though, as much of one of courtesies, as you have pointed out. 8-] Coin Saver |
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Interesting issue!!! I own a Panama 1 Balboa S/N 003175 in AU-UNC, gave Ron
Wise a high res scan of the note when he asked for it. All of a sudden I see my note reproduced big style, a reproduction recently sold as a "bookmark" for 100-odd dollars (think it was around $107) on Ebay. That has to be the most expensive bookmark I have ever heard of. Wrote the seller, who frankly had no clue whether the note/bookmark was an original note or not. To be safe, he described it as a bookmark though. So somebody is making a lot of dollars reproducing probably not only my Panama note but others as well. Is that ethical? The scan used for the reproductions can to my best knowledge only have originated from Ron Wises website, and certainly not the reason I sent it to him. I guess that is an inherent risk when a lot of collectors want to contribute to an educational (and awesome) website like Ron's, who is certainly not to blame for this (just to make that clear!!!) Did not even stop here. A dealer in Germnay has gotten some reproduced notes/pieces of paper of my note, where Mr. Balboa had been removed and a nude woman inserted instead. These reproductions and others of expensive were sold on Ebay as well, for a lot less though (around $5-10). Frankly, I do not care if people download scans of my note and do whatever they want for their personal pleasure. However, I do get offended when people start making money from something that is not theirs. And even worse, not even declare on the note that it is an reproduction. Just my two cents, Thomas "TomDeLorey" wrote in message ... Was at the Baltimore show and had a contemporary counterfeit Confederate note. labeled as such, in the case. Guy asked to see it, and after looking at it whipped out a scanner of some kind and began taking pictures of it for his personal information. . The question is, is it or is it not ethical to take a picture of someone else's property without asking permission first? I believe that it is extremely rude, but would appreciate opinions as to the ethicality of the action. . By the way, if he had asked permission to scan the item, I would have said yes. . Tom DeLorey |
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I haven't had anyone steal a scan of
mine from ebay (that I am aware of that is). I have however had a couple of people take my auction description of notes I was selling and reproduce it practically word for word for what they were selling. I didn't do anything about it, I have more important things to deal with, in a way I thought it was sort of an honor in that someone was impressed enough with what I wrote that they wanted to use it too. |
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I have however had a couple of people
take my auction description of notes I was selling and reproduce it practically word for word for what they were selling. I don't sell many notes at all, but I got a better condition of a few and offered the lesser ones on Ebay. One of the notes went to a dealer. He turned around and put it up for auction right away, and "used word for word" what I had in MY orginial auction description. Was kinda eerie, but then again he only sold it for $2 more than he bought from me for. Question though, is it LEGAL to take scans from ebay and such to use in a web page? A non-profit web page? |
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In my humble opinion, a scan must be looked upon as a photograph, meaning
the scanner has copyright to the scan. The owner of the note, however, has the rights to the note, so a "legal" scan on the net - profit or non-profit doesn't enter into the equation - should have the consent both of the owner of the note (or someone who was owner when it was scanned) and of the original scanner. My own site (http://www.janeriks.no/Banknotes/index.htm) contains scans from other sources, but only by consent and with a notice of whom they belong to. See e.g. http://www.janeriks.no/Banknotes/Sve...tiebolaget.htm Best wishes from the Arctic, Jan Erik "RobberBaron96298" skrev i melding ... I have however had a couple of people take my auction description of notes I was selling and reproduce it practically word for word for what they were selling. I don't sell many notes at all, but I got a better condition of a few and offered the lesser ones on Ebay. One of the notes went to a dealer. He turned around and put it up for auction right away, and "used word for word" what I had in MY orginial auction description. Was kinda eerie, but then again he only sold it for $2 more than he bought from me for. Question though, is it LEGAL to take scans from ebay and such to use in a web page? A non-profit web page? |
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Interesting issue!!! I own a Panama 1 Balboa S/N 003175 in AU-UNC, gave Ron
Wise a high res scan of the note when he asked for it. All of a sudden I see my note reproduced big style, a reproduction recently sold as a "bookmark" for 100-odd dollars (think it was around $107) on Ebay. That has to be the most expensive bookmark I have ever heard of. Wrote the seller, who frankly had no clue whether the note/bookmark was an original note or not. To be safe, he described it as a bookmark though. So somebody is making a lot of dollars reproducing probably not only my Panama note but others as well. Is that ethical? The scan used for the reproductions can to my best knowledge only have originated from Ron Wises website, and certainly not the reason I sent it to him. I guess that is an inherent risk when a lot of collectors want to contribute to an educational (and awesome) website like Ron's, who is certainly not to blame for this (just to make that clear!!!) Did not even stop here. A dealer in Germany has gotten some reproduced notes/pieces of paper of my note, where Mr. Balboa had been removed and a nude woman inserted instead. These reproductions and others of expensive were sold on Ebay as well, for a lot less though (around $5-10). Frankly, I do not care if people download scans of my note and do whatever they want for their personal pleasure. However, I do get offended when people start making money from something that is not theirs. And even worse, not even declare on the note that it is an reproduction. Just my two cents, Thomas "TomDeLorey" wrote in message ... Was at the Baltimore show and had a contemporary counterfeit Confederate note. labeled as such, in the case. Guy asked to see it, and after looking at it whipped out a scanner of some kind and began taking pictures of it for his personal information. . The question is, is it or is it not ethical to take a picture of someone else's property without asking permission first? I believe that it is extremely rude, but would appreciate opinions as to the ethicality of the action. . By the way, if he had asked permission to scan the item, I would have said yes. . Tom DeLorey |
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