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On May 25, 12:10�pm, "mazorj" wrote:
I've just started accumulating a set of Kennedy halves from circulation finds. �Most have been in the 1971-2000 range. �But I have a 2001-P and 2001-D in AU. �The Red Book footnotes 2001-P, and except for 2005, 2002 P+D through 2007 P+D as "Not issued for circulation." �That seems odd given that the 2001-P run was 21.2 million, one of the largest mintages of this design. In the other years the P and D mintages were under 3 million each. The 2001-P and D differ in their surfaces. �The D has a uniform lightly bluish white cast. �The P has blotches of light salmon sheen intermixed with the blue-white areas, to the extent that when viewed without a magnifier, the overall color is slightly salmon and is distinctly different when held next to the D. �The D has the typical mirror finish while the P is a muted, matte finish. 1. �Does that mean that I'm not likely to find these dates in circulation culls? 2. �What was the deal with "not issued for circulation"? �What happened to them? �Were they only sold in mint sets? 3. �What was the deal with the 2001-P? �I'm sure they didn't sell 21.2 million mint sets. 4. �Were any 2001-P struck on planchets different from the "normal" type as seen in the 2001-D? �The light salmon coloration may just be a random variation in toning, but would that also explain the matte finish? The "satin finish" only started in 2005 for mint sets. Before that, only the special 1998-S half for the Kennedy memorial set, sold with the RFK commem, had the Mint's "satin finish." If you are finding satin finishes on halves in circulation from 2001, then they were not made that way at the Mint. |
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, wrote: On May 25, 12:10?pm, "mazorj" wrote: I've just started accumulating a set of Kennedy halves from circulation finds. ?Most have been in the 1971-2000 range. ?But I have a 2001-P and 2001-D in AU. ?The Red Book footnotes 2001-P, and except for 2005, 2002 P+D through 2007 P+D as "Not issued for circulation." ?That seems odd given that the 2001-P run was 21.2 million, one of the largest mintages of this design. In the other years the P and D mintages were under 3 million each. The 2001-P and D differ in their surfaces. ?The D has a uniform lightly bluish white cast. ?The P has blotches of light salmon sheen intermixed with the blue-white areas, to the extent that when viewed without a magnifier, the overall color is slightly salmon and is distinctly different when held next to the D. ?The D has the typical mirror finish while the P is a muted, matte finish. 1. ?Does that mean that I'm not likely to find these dates in circulation culls? 2. ?What was the deal with "not issued for circulation"? ?What happened to them? ?Were they only sold in mint sets? 3. ?What was the deal with the 2001-P? ?I'm sure they didn't sell 21.2 million mint sets. 4. ?Were any 2001-P struck on planchets different from the "normal" type as seen in the 2001-D? ?The light salmon coloration may just be a random variation in toning, but would that also explain the matte finish? The "satin finish" only started in 2005 for mint sets. Before that, only the special 1998-S half for the Kennedy memorial set, sold with the RFK commem, had the Mint's "satin finish." If you are finding satin finishes on halves in circulation from 2001, then they were not made that way at the Mint. No, lots of them were indeed made that way. Since at least the 1990s Philly strikes have tended to have a frosty appearance, while Denver's look "glossy" or mirrorlike in comparison. It's my impression that it's related to die preparation just before striking. It may also be related to Denver having its own die shop in recent years. |
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On May 28, 5:59�pm, Slime Lowlife wrote:
In article , wrote: On May 25, 12:10?pm, "mazorj" wrote: I've just started accumulating a set of Kennedy halves from circulation finds. ?Most have been in the 1971-2000 range. ?But I have a 2001-P and 2001-D in AU. ?The Red Book footnotes 2001-P, and except for 2005, 2002 P+D through 2007 P+D as "Not issued for circulation." ?That seems odd given that the 2001-P run was 21.2 million, one of the largest mintages of this design. In the other years the P and D mintages were under 3 million each. The 2001-P and D differ in their surfaces. ?The D has a uniform lightly bluish white cast. ?The P has blotches of light salmon sheen intermixed with the blue-white areas, to the extent that when viewed without a magnifier, the overall color is slightly salmon and is distinctly different when held next to the D. ?The D has the typical mirror finish while the P is a muted, matte finish. 1. ?Does that mean that I'm not likely to find these dates in circulation culls? 2. ?What was the deal with "not issued for circulation"? ?What happened to them? ?Were they only sold in mint sets? 3. ?What was the deal with the 2001-P? ?I'm sure they didn't sell 21.2 million mint sets. 4. ?Were any 2001-P struck on planchets different from the "normal" type as seen in the 2001-D? ?The light salmon coloration may just be a random variation in toning, but would that also explain the matte finish? The "satin finish" only started in 2005 for mint sets. �Before that, only the special 1998-S half for the Kennedy memorial set, sold with the RFK commem, had the Mint's "satin finish." If you are finding satin finishes on halves in circulation from 2001, then they were not made that way at the Mint. No, lots of them were indeed made that way. �Since at least the 1990s Philly strikes have tended to have a frosty appearance, while Denver's look "glossy" or mirrorlike in comparison. �It's my impression that it's related to die preparation just before striking. �It may also be related to Denver having its own die shop in recent years.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The US Mint started making "satin finish" coins for mint sets in 2005. Before that time they did not use that special, more time consuming and expensive process for business strikes. Thus, it is not a recognized variety. You may be able to see it, but until someone with some expertise confirms that the variety exists, it is unlikely to exist anywhere but in your mind. |
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On May 29, 12:45*am, wrote:
On May 28, 5:59 pm, Slime Lowlife wrote: In article , wrote: On May 25, 12:10?pm, "mazorj" wrote: I've just started accumulating a set of Kennedy halves from circulation finds. ?Most have been in the 1971-2000 range. ?But I have a 2001-P and 2001-D in AU. ?The Red Book footnotes 2001-P, and except for 2005, 2002 P+D through 2007 P+D as "Not issued for circulation." ?That seems odd given that the 2001-P run was 21.2 million, one of the largest mintages of this design. In the other years the P and D mintages were under 3 million each. The 2001-P and D differ in their surfaces. ?The D has a uniform lightly bluish white cast. ?The P has blotches of light salmon sheen intermixed with the blue-white areas, to the extent that when viewed without a magnifier, the overall color is slightly salmon and is distinctly different when held next to the D. ?The D has the typical mirror finish while the P is a muted, matte finish. 1. ?Does that mean that I'm not likely to find these dates in circulation culls? 2. ?What was the deal with "not issued for circulation"? ?What happened to them? ?Were they only sold in mint sets? 3. ?What was the deal with the 2001-P? ?I'm sure they didn't sell 21.2 million mint sets. 4. ?Were any 2001-P struck on planchets different from the "normal" type as seen in the 2001-D? ?The light salmon coloration may just be a random variation in toning, but would that also explain the matte finish? The "satin finish" only started in 2005 for mint sets. Before that, only the special 1998-S half for the Kennedy memorial set, sold with the RFK commem, had the Mint's "satin finish." If you are finding satin finishes on halves in circulation from 2001, then they were not made that way at the Mint. No, lots of them were indeed made that way. Since at least the 1990s Philly strikes have tended to have a frosty appearance, while Denver's look "glossy" or mirrorlike in comparison. It's my impression that it's related to die preparation just before striking. It may also be related to Denver having its own die shop in recent years.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The US Mint started making "satin finish" coins for mint sets in 2005. *Before that time they did not use that special, more time consuming and expensive process for business strikes. *Thus, it is not a recognized variety. *You may be able to see it, but until someone with some expertise confirms that the variety exists, it is unlikely to exist anywhere but in your mind.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When a die pair is new the first few coins come off and are really terrible looking until the dies get 'worked'--then after that is when those beautiful satin looking coins come off--or 'blast white' coins-- and they'll have really strong strikes too. Depending on many factors determines how many get struck with that look to them. Typically most super high grades come off newer dies and exhibit a satin appearance-- you'll spot those from across the room--they'll stick right out. ;-) |
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On May 29, 12:45*am, wrote:
On May 28, 5:59 pm, Slime Lowlife wrote: In article , wrote: On May 25, 12:10?pm, "mazorj" wrote: I've just started accumulating a set of Kennedy halves from circulation finds. ?Most have been in the 1971-2000 range. ?But I have a 2001-P and 2001-D in AU. ?The Red Book footnotes 2001-P, and except for 2005, 2002 P+D through 2007 P+D as "Not issued for circulation." ?That seems odd given that the 2001-P run was 21.2 million, one of the largest mintages of this design. In the other years the P and D mintages were under 3 million each. The 2001-P and D differ in their surfaces. ?The D has a uniform lightly bluish white cast. ?The P has blotches of light salmon sheen intermixed with the blue-white areas, to the extent that when viewed without a magnifier, the overall color is slightly salmon and is distinctly different when held next to the D. ?The D has the typical mirror finish while the P is a muted, matte finish. 1. ?Does that mean that I'm not likely to find these dates in circulation culls? 2. ?What was the deal with "not issued for circulation"? ?What happened to them? ?Were they only sold in mint sets? 3. ?What was the deal with the 2001-P? ?I'm sure they didn't sell 21.2 million mint sets. 4. ?Were any 2001-P struck on planchets different from the "normal" type as seen in the 2001-D? ?The light salmon coloration may just be a random variation in toning, but would that also explain the matte finish? The "satin finish" only started in 2005 for mint sets. Before that, only the special 1998-S half for the Kennedy memorial set, sold with the RFK commem, had the Mint's "satin finish." If you are finding satin finishes on halves in circulation from 2001, then they were not made that way at the Mint. No, lots of them were indeed made that way. Since at least the 1990s Philly strikes have tended to have a frosty appearance, while Denver's look "glossy" or mirrorlike in comparison. It's my impression that it's related to die preparation just before striking. It may also be related to Denver having its own die shop in recent years.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The US Mint started making "satin finish" coins for mint sets in 2005. *Before that time they did not use that special, more time consuming and expensive process for business strikes. *Thus, it is not a recognized variety. *You may be able to see it, but until someone with some expertise confirms that the variety exists, it is unlikely to exist anywhere but in your mind.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Also during the period of time between when normal looking and satin looking coins are struck, that's when some coins come off the press with a cameo apperance--finding a clad modern coin with a cameo is very rare. I have a couple like that. ;-) It's just natural die progression that causes the different looks you'll see with most coins ever made. Even those burninshed mint set coins lose the satin look when the dies are worn down too. |
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... When a die pair is new the first few coins come off and are really terrible looking until the dies get 'worked'--then after that is when those beautiful satin looking coins come off--or 'blast white' coins-- and they'll have really strong strikes too. Depending on many factors determines how many get struck with that look to them. Typically most super high grades come off newer dies and exhibit a satin appearance-- you'll spot those from across the room--they'll stick right out. ;-) He must have gotten that information out of Breen's body of work. |
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