Austria J38 bisects?

I have two Austria Scott J38 1908-13 10h carmine postage due
diagonal bisects tied on piece, both halves on separate pieces.
There is no listing for these in my Scott. Do they have any
particular value?

TIA

Ken


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Hi
I have checked Gibbons Austria and Hungary specialised and this does
not mention the bisect. However all this means is that the bisect was
not authorised officially. Sometimes in times of acute shortages
individual offices may unofficially bisect stamps asan easy way to
keep the accounts straight.
However the fact that you have 2 stamps makes me slightly suspicious.
If the postmarks are from different towns and/or have different dates
I would be even more suspicious. By their nature these unofficial
bisects are VERY localised and VERY short lived. Having examined the
stamps and postmarks closely for tampering, in your case I would
contact an Austrian specialist society - this would fall short of
expertising but would no doubt advise you as to whether the matter is
worth pursuing. The knowledge in these specialist societies is truly
amazing so much so that dealers and catalogue editors often consult
them on the more obscure aspects of any countries philately. Many of
these societies can be contacted via the net.
However I have to say that on balance your items are probably faked.A
lot of these fakers do themselves a disservice by producing items in
numbers that if genuine would never ever survive

n Knecht wrote in message .. .
I have two Austria Scott J38 1908-13 10h carmine postage due
diagonal bisects tied on piece, both halves on separate pieces.
There is no listing for these in my Scott. Do they have any
particular value?

TIA

Ken

I'm currently travelling and don't have access to my
library. By any chance, are the postmatks Czech?

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
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"Ken Knecht" wrote in message
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I have two Austria Scott J38 1908-13 10h carmine postage due
diagonal bisects tied on piece, both halves on separate pieces.
There is no listing for these in my Scott. Do they have any
particular value?

TIA

Ken


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Can't tell. All I have are partial postmarks, about 1/3 or 1/4.
And what I have is blurred. The paper is only about 1/4" larger
around than the stamp and the postmark only hits a corner of the
stamp.

Ken

"Jay T. Carrigan" wrote in
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I'm currently travelling and don't have access to my
library. By any chance, are the postmatks Czech?

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


"Ken Knecht" wrote in message
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I have two Austria Scott J38 1908-13 10h carmine postage
due diagonal bisects tied on piece, both halves on separate
pieces. There is no listing for these in my Scott. Do they
have any particular value?

TIA

Ken


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Then they are probably fakes. I thought they might be. They are
only a tiny part of an auction lot (not mentioned in the
description) with some nice Austria material so I'm not
disappointed.

Ken

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Hi
I have checked Gibbons Austria and Hungary specialised and
this does not mention the bisect. However all this means is
that the bisect was not authorised officially. Sometimes in
times of acute shortages individual offices may unofficially
bisect stamps asan easy way to keep the accounts straight.
However the fact that you have 2 stamps makes me slightly
suspicious. If the postmarks are from different towns and/or
have different dates I would be even more suspicious. By
their nature these unofficial bisects are VERY localised and
VERY short lived. Having examined the stamps and postmarks
closely for tampering, in your case I would contact an
Austrian specialist society - this would fall short of
expertising but would no doubt advise you as to whether the
matter is worth pursuing. The knowledge in these specialist
societies is truly amazing so much so that dealers and
catalogue editors often consult them on the more obscure
aspects of any countries philately. Many of these societies
can be contacted via the net. However I have to say that on
balance your items are probably faked.A lot of these fakers
do themselves a disservice by producing items in numbers
that if genuine would never ever survive

n Knecht wrote in message
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I have two Austria Scott J38 1908-13 10h carmine postage
due diagonal bisects tied on piece, both halves on separate
pieces. There is no listing for these in my Scott. Do they
have any particular value?

TIA

Ken




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Michel 2003 Austria states on page 282, #38 z H that the bisect is
worth about 12 Euros on piece and 60 on full cover. Who knows,
though, if these were fabricated, because you don't have enough info
to discern true usage or philatelic mumbo jumbo.

I'd keep 'em as curiosity items, if nothing else. No world cruise,
but interesting nonetheless.



On Thu, 06 May 2004 17:15:17 GMT, Ken Knecht
wrote:

Can't tell. All I have are partial postmarks, about 1/3 or 1/4.
And what I have is blurred. The paper is only about 1/4" larger
around than the stamp and the postmark only hits a corner of the
stamp.

Ken

"Jay T. Carrigan" wrote in
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I'm currently travelling and don't have access to my
library. By any chance, are the postmatks Czech?

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


"Ken Knecht" wrote in message
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I have two Austria Scott J38 1908-13 10h carmine postage
due diagonal bisects tied on piece, both halves on separate
pieces. There is no listing for these in my Scott. Do they
have any particular value?

TIA

Ken


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I agree with Tracy. Provided you have not paid an extortionate amount
of cash,sometimes a fake like this is actually worth more than the
genuine complete article- especially if the original stamp is common.
There are people who collect fakes and forgeries - and they are often
prepared to pay quite large amounts for the material tney are looking
for -obviously not as much as a genuine bisect would fetch. Stamps
forged to defraud the revenue rather than collectors are also quite
collectable but with the caveat that it in some countries it is
illegal to possess such items especially if unused.!!!


Barber wrote in message . ..
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Michel 2003 Austria states on page 282, #38 z H that the bisect is
worth about 12 Euros on piece and 60 on full cover. Who knows,
though, if these were fabricated, because you don't have enough info
to discern true usage or philatelic mumbo jumbo.

I'd keep 'em as curiosity items, if nothing else. No world cruise,
but interesting nonetheless.



On Thu, 06 May 2004 17:15:17 GMT, Ken Knecht
wrote:

Can't tell. All I have are partial postmarks, about 1/3 or 1/4.
And what I have is blurred. The paper is only about 1/4" larger
around than the stamp and the postmark only hits a corner of the
stamp.

Ken

"Jay T. Carrigan" wrote in
:

I'm currently travelling and don't have access to my
library. By any chance, are the postmatks Czech?

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


"Ken Knecht" wrote in message
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I have two Austria Scott J38 1908-13 10h carmine postage
due diagonal bisects tied on piece, both halves on separate
pieces. There is no listing for these in my Scott. Do they
have any particular value?

TIA

Ken


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