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Speaking of Noodler's ink: my own ink tests
I've been doing ink tests for decades. I'm less interested in
envelopes not getting smeared than I am in the things I write not going away due to age or accident. So I was very interested in the Noodler's ink. Here are the results of some ink tests I did with some ordinary inks and Noodler's. For some years I had resigned myself to the fact that the BIC stick pens had the most resistant ink for every day use. So that's what my checks were made out with. The Parker ballpoint refills were about the same. I also tested something new from BIC. Here are my results: BIC "Classic" Crystal, BIC blue round stick, BIC black round stick: All three of these stood up to water well, they even stood up to bleach and detergent. When the isopropyl alcohol hit them they dissolved, however. Still, there is a tiny shadow of writing left from them. The color matters only slightly, they all look almost the same now. If anything the blue round stick came up with a slightly darker shadow than the two black BIC inks did. I say "shadow" because at first glance these inks all appear to be completely washed away. Only by looking closely in bright light with a magnifying glass could I find that there was a discernable residue of writing left on the page. BIC Ultra Round Stick Grip: This started to wash away in plain water. It was completely gone after a couple of minutes in bleach. The area on the paper where this ink had been is totally blank now. There is no residue left whatsoever. Disappointing because the pen writes as smoothly out of the box as the "classic" BICs do after most of the ink has been written out of them and the ball has loosened up a bit. Skrip Jet Black: This is old stock from the glass bottles with the integral ink well. Water smeared it a lot, the bleach pretty well wiped it out. There is nothing to be seen of it using a magnifying glass. Noodler's Black: Survived pretty much perfectly. Some parts of the paper got all blistered up and after drying the paper looks like the surface of the Moon, but the ink has survived looking the way it did when I wrote it. There's no degradation at the edges and the black ink is as dense as can be. Except for the condition of the paper it's on you'd never know that it had been through an attempt at washing it. Conclusion: Yeah, this Noodler's Black ink really is waterproof, and proof against a lot more than water. It's now what I use to sign checks, and as soon as I use up my other inks it's going to be the ink I use for journals, etc. What I used in this ink test: water not quite boiling, undiluted household bleach, dish washing detergent, laundry detergent, isopropyl alcohol 70%. When all was done the paper was dried in direct, August sunlight for a few hours. A note: how do I know for sure which inks used to be where on the paper? Why I wrote down what ink was there. I wrote it down in pencil. The pencil marks came through as perfectly as the Noodler's Black ink did. This is just another little plug for my other favorite writing instrument, the humble pencil, which doesn't get a lot of attention in this news group. |
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great review
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Now the thing I don't know, is if the Swishers waterproof black ink in the
3oz. bottle is Noodlers or not. Am I the only one getting confused over who is making what for whom? -- All incoming and outgoing mail scanned using Norton Anti Virus, by the shores of beautiful Puget Sound. "R. Paul Martin" wrote in message ... I've been doing ink tests for decades. I'm less interested in envelopes not getting smeared than I am in the things I write not going away due to age or accident. So I was very interested in the Noodler's ink. Here are the results of some ink tests I did with some ordinary inks and Noodler's. For some years I had resigned myself to the fact that the BIC stick pens had the most resistant ink for every day use. So that's what my checks were made out with. The Parker ballpoint refills were about the same. I also tested something new from BIC. Here are my results: BIC "Classic" Crystal, BIC blue round stick, BIC black round stick: All three of these stood up to water well, they even stood up to bleach and detergent. When the isopropyl alcohol hit them they dissolved, however. Still, there is a tiny shadow of writing left from them. The color matters only slightly, they all look almost the same now. If anything the blue round stick came up with a slightly darker shadow than the two black BIC inks did. I say "shadow" because at first glance these inks all appear to be completely washed away. Only by looking closely in bright light with a magnifying glass could I find that there was a discernable residue of writing left on the page. BIC Ultra Round Stick Grip: This started to wash away in plain water. It was completely gone after a couple of minutes in bleach. The area on the paper where this ink had been is totally blank now. There is no residue left whatsoever. Disappointing because the pen writes as smoothly out of the box as the "classic" BICs do after most of the ink has been written out of them and the ball has loosened up a bit. Skrip Jet Black: This is old stock from the glass bottles with the integral ink well. Water smeared it a lot, the bleach pretty well wiped it out. There is nothing to be seen of it using a magnifying glass. Noodler's Black: Survived pretty much perfectly. Some parts of the paper got all blistered up and after drying the paper looks like the surface of the Moon, but the ink has survived looking the way it did when I wrote it. There's no degradation at the edges and the black ink is as dense as can be. Except for the condition of the paper it's on you'd never know that it had been through an attempt at washing it. Conclusion: Yeah, this Noodler's Black ink really is waterproof, and proof against a lot more than water. It's now what I use to sign checks, and as soon as I use up my other inks it's going to be the ink I use for journals, etc. What I used in this ink test: water not quite boiling, undiluted household bleach, dish washing detergent, laundry detergent, isopropyl alcohol 70%. When all was done the paper was dried in direct, August sunlight for a few hours. A note: how do I know for sure which inks used to be where on the paper? Why I wrote down what ink was there. I wrote it down in pencil. The pencil marks came through as perfectly as the Noodler's Black ink did. This is just another little plug for my other favorite writing instrument, the humble pencil, which doesn't get a lot of attention in this news group. |
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"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote: Now the thing I don't know, is if the Swishers waterproof black ink in the 3oz. bottle is Noodlers or not. Am I the only one getting confused over who is making what for whom? Noodler makes all of Swisher's ink, but some of the colours are custom ones that aren't offered under the Noodler name. I think they haven't finished deciding exactly which colours to offer - obviously this will be based on which ones people buy. The big difference in the is whether they're the permanent/waterproof Noodler's ink or the regular Noodler's ink. The waterproof kind generally costs more, because of the cost of whatever is in it. I think Swisher black is NON-waterproof, but maybe I'm wrong. (But it's all made by Nathan, regardless.) David |
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So does that mean Noodler's secret is carbon?
-- Best regards, Free Citizen http://www.freewebs.com/fpnet/ "R. Paul Martin" wrote in message ... [snip] A note: how do I know for sure which inks used to be where on the paper? Why I wrote down what ink was there. I wrote it down in pencil. The pencil marks came through as perfectly as the Noodler's Black ink did. This is just another little plug for my other favorite writing instrument, the humble pencil, which doesn't get a lot of attention in this news group. |
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What is this I hear about Noodler getting mouldy after some time?
-- Best regards, Free Citizen http://www.freewebs.com/fpnet/ "Dave" wrote in message ... In article , "Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote: Now the thing I don't know, is if the Swishers waterproof black ink in the 3oz. bottle is Noodlers or not. Am I the only one getting confused over who is making what for whom? Noodler makes all of Swisher's ink, but some of the colours are custom ones that aren't offered under the Noodler name. I think they haven't finished deciding exactly which colours to offer - obviously this will be based on which ones people buy. The big difference in the is whether they're the permanent/waterproof Noodler's ink or the regular Noodler's ink. The waterproof kind generally costs more, because of the cost of whatever is in it. I think Swisher black is NON-waterproof, but maybe I'm wrong. (But it's all made by Nathan, regardless.) David |
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Kenneth D. Schillinger wrote: Now the thing I don't know, is if the Swishers waterproof black ink in the 3oz. bottle is Noodlers or not. Am I the only one getting confused over who is making what for whom? Hi Kenneth, Here's the breakdown of what's what concerning the Noodler's and Swisher Pens inks: - The Noodler's Black ink, not our Swisher Pens Black is the waterproof ink. Our black ink is water resistant, but will fade somewhat if soaked in water. Our Swisher Pens inks are indeed made by Nathan Tardif but they are a completely different formula than the Noodler's inks. Our ink was made to dry faster on Vellum and several other papers that we sell. Noodler's was made to resist feathering on most types of recycled paper. Swisher Pens ink will feather on some recycled paper. I believe our ink dries faster than Noodler's on most types of paper. On some, our Swisher Pens ink will dry almost the instant it hits the paper. No, our ink is not the same "quick dry" formula that Nathan prior to developing the Noodler's formula. The colors of our ink were my "picks" and I hope folks will like them. I told Nathan the colors I liked and he worked with them for several months until we both were happy with the results. We should have 3 more colors (prototypes) in next week and these will be shown at the NYC Show next weekend. After these 3 colors we will have about all of the Swisher Pens inks finished. - You can see all of the Noodler's waterproof colors we carry at the following link: http://www.nexternal.com/swisher/?Ta...asp&RowID=1251 (once there you can click on "View Enlarged Image" for a complete color chart of the waterproof Noodler's inks we have available) - You can see all our Swisher Pens inks at the following link: http://www.nexternal.com/swisher/?Ta...asp&RowID=1318 (here you can click on "View Enlarged Image" for a complete color chart of our "non-waterproof" Swisher Pens inks) - You can find all of the Noodler's "non-waterproof" (except the Black) at the following link (we now have the black waterproof Noodler's ink listed under both Noodler's and Noodler's Waterproof inks in our shopping cart): http://www.nexternal.com/swisher/?Ta...ProductID=1274 (to see all these colors you will need to select the individual colors, the complete color chart was too large for our shopping cart) If you are attending the New York Show next weekend you will find most of these inks available at our table. We are bringing the Swisher Pens inks and the Noodler's waterproof inks. If you would like for us to bring any of the regular Noodler's inks to the show, please send Jennifer an e-mail ) and let her know what colors you want us to bring. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Chuck Swisher - Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com Tele: (757) 471-7445, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787 |
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Free Citizen wrote:
What is this I hear about Noodler getting mouldy after some time? Some of the very first bottles that shipped in March or early April that were sold by us and one (possibly 2) other dealers were found to be susceptible to mold. Unfortunately, this wasn't caught until we had already sold most of the first shipment of this ink. I have not heard of any cases of mold (or anything else) in any bottle of Noodler's ink that was shipped after the 1st of May. Any of our customers that reported finding mold in their Noodler's ink had the ink replaced by us (if they let us know). We have not heard of any reports of mold in any of the Noodler's Waterproof colors or our Swisher Pens inks. I think Nathan has the mold problem under control and I would be very surprised to hear of any cases of mold in any of these inks that shipped after the original mold was discovered back in late April. Hope this helps. Best regards, Chuck Swisher - Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com Tele: (757) 471-7445, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787 |
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I guess Nathan must have forgotten to put in the anti-mould agent for that
batch . Anyway, I do not believe this episode will deter customers from buying Noodler or other brands made by it. From what I have seen here, it looks like the ink to beat. -- Best regards, Free Citizen http://www.freewebs.com/fpnet/ "Chuck Swisher" wrote in message news:NRd_c.4699$OZ6.1712@okepread06... Free Citizen wrote: What is this I hear about Noodler getting mouldy after some time? Some of the very first bottles that shipped in March or early April that were sold by us and one (possibly 2) other dealers were found to be susceptible to mold. Unfortunately, this wasn't caught until we had already sold most of the first shipment of this ink. I have not heard of any cases of mold (or anything else) in any bottle of Noodler's ink that was shipped after the 1st of May. Any of our customers that reported finding mold in their Noodler's ink had the ink replaced by us (if they let us know). We have not heard of any reports of mold in any of the Noodler's Waterproof colors or our Swisher Pens inks. I think Nathan has the mold problem under control and I would be very surprised to hear of any cases of mold in any of these inks that shipped after the original mold was discovered back in late April. Hope this helps. Best regards, Chuck Swisher - Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com Tele: (757) 471-7445, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787 |
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Free Citizen wrote:
I guess Nathan must have forgotten to put in the anti-mould agent for that batch . Anyway, I do not believe this episode will deter customers from buying Noodler or other brands made by it. From what I have seen here, it looks like the ink to beat. No, not really! He put some anti-mold additives in this ink, but apparently not enough to prevent this type of mold. Unfortunately, the type of mold that attacks these older Noodler's inks didn't show-up until about a month after the first batch was shipped. This ink was tested for every known mold to exist in the United States. Are there molds elsewhere that might live in Noodler's? Possibly, but I doubt it. I doubt we will be hearing about any more molds in the newer inks, but there is always a chance that someone will find mold in one of these older bottles. As I have posted many times, if you find mold in any of the Noodler's inks (or Swisher Pens inks) just let us know and we will replace this ink if you purchased it from us. If you bought it from another dealer, insist that they replace the ink, give you a credit or a refund. If you bought your ink after the 1st of May, you probably have nothing to worry about. Best wishes, Chuck Swisher - Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com Tele: (757) 471-7445, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787 |
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