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Portuguese philately - type of paper used for stamps
Between 1912 and 1931 Portugal issued a series of stamps called CERES for
use in Portugal and the Colonies. This series was printed and reprinted by a number of different printers and consequently ended up being printed on quite a number of different types of paper -- one printer even went so far as to print a large number of these stamps on postcard stock. One of the most used papers was called papel pontinhado. So far I have been using pontinhado (in italics) because I have not been able to find equivalent in English for this type of paper. Quite some time ago I asked on this group for help and received no replies so I shall try again. So far, through the Simoes, Afinsa, and De Santos catalogues I have been able to ascertain that pontinhado paper IS NOT standard, chalk-surfaced, granite, laid, woven, glossy, lozenged or native, and that it has not been used since the late 40s. So I return to the experts: what the heck is this papel pontinhado? I have some of these stamps in my collections and even under an electronic microscope I cannot differentiate these stamps from the same stamps listed separately under papel liso. Referrals to philatelic newsgroups have been followed but without success. Requests for information to the Filatélia Division of the Grupo CTT (Portuguese Postal Service) have not been answered. Thanks in advance for all help. -- Tony Vella Ottawa, Ontario, Canada http://www.amedialuz.ca/ |
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Portuguese philately - type of paper used for stamps
I am surprised that Mr. Tracy Barber did not reply Tony, He is a Portuguese afficianado, is he not? perhaps send him an off group query, Rodney "Tony Vella" wrote in message ... Between 1912 and 1931 Portugal issued a series of stamps called CERES for use in Portugal and the Colonies. This series was printed and reprinted by a number of different printers and consequently ended up being printed on quite a number of different types of paper -- one printer even went so far as to print a large number of these stamps on postcard stock. One of the most used papers was called papel pontinhado. So far I have been using pontinhado (in italics) because I have not been able to find equivalent in English for this type of paper. Quite some time ago I asked on this group for help and received no replies so I shall try again. So far, through the Simoes, Afinsa, and De Santos catalogues I have been able to ascertain that pontinhado paper IS NOT standard, chalk-surfaced, granite, laid, woven, glossy, lozenged or native, and that it has not been used since the late 40s. So I return to the experts: what the heck is this papel pontinhado? I have some of these stamps in my collections and even under an electronic microscope I cannot differentiate these stamps from the same stamps listed separately under papel liso. Referrals to philatelic newsgroups have been followed but without success. Requests for information to the Filatélia Division of the Grupo CTT (Portuguese Postal Service) have not been answered. Thanks in advance for all help. -- Tony Vella Ottawa, Ontario, Canada http://www.amedialuz.ca/ |
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Portuguese philately - type of paper used for stamps
Hi Rod.
I had intended my original post for another of my groups (sci.lang.translation) but somehow I sent it to RCSD. I shall try again because I know there are a couple of Portuguese translators on SLT who have heaven knows what technical dictionaries. I am currently working on a translation of Ceres papers which I am not being paid for and which therefore I can make available to all RCSD chappies when done. -- Tony Vella Ottawa, Ontario, Canada "rodney" wrote in message ... I am surprised that Mr. Tracy Barber did not reply Tony, He is a Portuguese afficianado, is he not? perhaps send him an off group query, Rodney "Tony Vella" wrote in message ... Between 1912 and 1931 Portugal issued a series of stamps called CERES for use in Portugal and the Colonies. This series was printed and reprinted by a number of different printers and consequently ended up being printed on quite a number of different types of paper -- one printer even went so far as to print a large number of these stamps on postcard stock. One of the most used papers was called papel pontinhado. So far I have been using pontinhado (in italics) because I have not been able to find equivalent in English for this type of paper. Quite some time ago I asked on this group for help and received no replies so I shall try again. So far, through the Simoes, Afinsa, and De Santos catalogues I have been able to ascertain that pontinhado paper IS NOT standard, chalk-surfaced, granite, laid, woven, glossy, lozenged or native, and that it has not been used since the late 40s. So I return to the experts: what the heck is this papel pontinhado? I have some of these stamps in my collections and even under an electronic microscope I cannot differentiate these stamps from the same stamps listed separately under papel liso. Referrals to philatelic newsgroups have been followed but without success. Requests for information to the Filatélia Division of the Grupo CTT (Portuguese Postal Service) have not been answered. Thanks in advance for all help. -- Tony Vella Ottawa, Ontario, Canada http://www.amedialuz.ca/ |
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.....and chappettes? " therefore I can make available to all RCSD chappies when done. -- Tony Vella Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |
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Portuguese philately - type of paper used for stamps
Lozenge paper Tony
If you scroll down all the Portuguese translations of usages here http://www.caleida.pt/filatelia/diversos/dicion01.html HTH BTW what is lozenged paper? "Tony Vella" wrote in message ... Between 1912 and 1931 Portugal issued a series of stamps called CERES for use in Portugal and the Colonies. This series was printed and reprinted by a number of different printers and consequently ended up being printed on quite a number of different types of paper -- one printer even went so far as to print a large number of these stamps on postcard stock. One of the most used papers was called papel pontinhado. So far I have been using pontinhado (in italics) because I have not been able to find equivalent in English for this type of paper. Quite some time ago I asked on this group for help and received no replies so I shall try again. So far, through the Simoes, Afinsa, and De Santos catalogues I have been able to ascertain that pontinhado paper IS NOT standard, chalk-surfaced, granite, laid, woven, glossy, lozenged or native, and that it has not been used since the late 40s. So I return to the experts: what the heck is this papel pontinhado? I have some of these stamps in my collections and even under an electronic microscope I cannot differentiate these stamps from the same stamps listed separately under papel liso. Referrals to philatelic newsgroups have been followed but without success. Requests for information to the Filatélia Division of the Grupo CTT (Portuguese Postal Service) have not been answered. Thanks in advance for all help. -- Tony Vella Ottawa, Ontario, Canada http://www.amedialuz.ca/ |
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Portuguese philately - type of paper used for stamps
Tony,
I should be able to answer most of your questions when I dig a little bit into this matter. One thing to remember is that the terms the locals [Portuguese] use are awfully confusing and bear no systematics! At least that is what I am confronted with when studying the Argentinean watermarks since 1921. The locals have no idea what they are talking/writing about. I am re-writing the Argentinean catalogue right now as far as the period 1921-1980 is concerned In the period of 1912-1939 the machine-made paper has no "laid" structure at all. Only woven (or linen-binding) exists with a pattern of rhomboids [or lozanges] that always has the direction of paper parallel to the long axis of the rhomboid. After 1938 the pattern in the paper wire may have changed in to the "twill" pattern that may give a "laid-like" effect! Dandy-rolls at the end of the paper-machine may apply not only watermarks but also other desired effects including horizontal/vertical lines to deceive you thinking the paper had been hand-made.... What type of coating had been applied is a comnpletely different subject. And the coating may be glossy or matt, etc.... The pulp fibres may have different length and some coloure dfibres may also have been added to the pulp. groetjes, Rein Op Sat, 02 May 2009 23:31:52 +0200 schreef Tony Vella : Between 1912 and 1931 Portugal issued a series of stamps called CERES for use in Portugal and the Colonies. This series was printed and reprinted by a number of different printers and consequently ended up being printed on quite a number of different types of paper -- one printer even went so far as to print a large number of these stamps on postcard stock. One of the most used papers was called papel pontinhado. So far I have been using pontinhado (in italics) because I have not been able to find equivalent in English for this type of paper. Quite some time ago I asked on this group for help and received no replies so I shall try again. So far, through the Simoes, Afinsa, and De Santos catalogues I have been able to ascertain that pontinhado paper IS NOT standard, chalk-surfaced, granite, laid, woven, glossy, lozenged or native, and that it has not been used since the late 40s. So I return to the experts: what the heck is this papel pontinhado? I have some of these stamps in my collections and even under an electronic microscope I cannot differentiate these stamps from the same stamps listed separately under papel liso. Referrals to philatelic newsgroups have been followed but without success. Requests for information to the Filatélia Division of the Grupo CTT (Portuguese Postal Service) have not been answered. Thanks in advance for all help. -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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Portuguese philately - type of paper used for stamps
Hello Rein.
The text I have been asked to translate was written in the mid-50s by a retired Portuguese military official. So besides the linguistic exigencies I must also deal with the numerous abbreviations normally found in the "Military Portuguese" of the period. So many abbreviations are used that it reminds me very much of early Renaissance Italian where sometimes in an entire sentence you will not find a single word written complete. In both instances this is attributed mainly to the belief that the text was written specifically for people who shared the author's linguistic habits or idiosyncrasies. With such documents, for me, at least, it is necessary to expand the abbreviated Portuguese into complete Portuguese before I even start thinking of translating into English. A number of years ago I translated a longish document about Travelling Post Offices aboard early Mozambique Railways which was also written by a Portuguese military man who retired in Mozambique in the 50s. Getting rid of the abbreviations took me longer than the actual translation. I thank you in advance for any future help. -- Tony Vella Ottawa, Ontario, Canada "Rein" wrote in message news Tony, I should be able to answer most of your questions when I dig a little bit into this matter. One thing to remember is that the terms the locals [Portuguese] use are awfully confusing and bear no systematics! At least that is what I am confronted with when studying the Argentinean watermarks since 1921. The locals have no idea what they are talking/writing about. I am re-writing the Argentinean catalogue right now as far as the period 1921-1980 is concerned In the period of 1912-1939 the machine-made paper has no "laid" structure at all. Only woven (or linen-binding) exists with a pattern of rhomboids [or lozanges] that always has the direction of paper parallel to the long axis of the rhomboid. After 1938 the pattern in the paper wire may have changed in to the "twill" pattern that may give a "laid-like" effect! Dandy-rolls at the end of the paper-machine may apply not only watermarks but also other desired effects including horizontal/vertical lines to deceive you thinking the paper had been hand-made.... What type of coating had been applied is a comnpletely different subject. And the coating may be glossy or matt, etc.... The pulp fibres may have different length and some coloure dfibres may also have been added to the pulp. groetjes, Rein Op Sat, 02 May 2009 23:31:52 +0200 schreef Tony Vella : Between 1912 and 1931 Portugal issued a series of stamps called CERES for use in Portugal and the Colonies. This series was printed and reprinted by a number of different printers and consequently ended up being printed on quite a number of different types of paper -- one printer even went so far as to print a large number of these stamps on postcard stock. One of the most used papers was called papel pontinhado. So far I have been using pontinhado (in italics) because I have not been able to find equivalent in English for this type of paper. Quite some time ago I asked on this group for help and received no replies so I shall try again. So far, through the Simoes, Afinsa, and De Santos catalogues I have been able to ascertain that pontinhado paper IS NOT standard, chalk-surfaced, granite, laid, woven, glossy, lozenged or native, and that it has not been used since the late 40s. So I return to the experts: what the heck is this papel pontinhado? I have some of these stamps in my collections and even under an electronic microscope I cannot differentiate these stamps from the same stamps listed separately under papel liso. Referrals to philatelic newsgroups have been followed but without success. Requests for information to the Filatélia Division of the Grupo CTT (Portuguese Postal Service) have not been answered. Thanks in advance for all help. -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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Portuguese philately - type of paper used for stamps
On May 2, 10:04*pm, "rodney" wrote:
....and chappettes? * or chippies? Blair |
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