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Bill Krummel wrote: Won this auction http://tinyurl.com/qbmf I paid using Paypal and received the coin two days ago, on the 9th, which is only 3 days after auction end. Seller left positive fb on the 7th, "Fast communication & payment...AAA+++ eBay eBuyer! Thanks!" When I received the coin, I was disappointed in the reverse, because of a pinhead sized black carbon spot, the first thing my eyes are drawn to when I look at the reverse. My quick image of the coin; http://tinyurl.com/qkfc I emailed the seller on the day of receipt; "Xxx, I received the 1934 Texas, NGC MS64, today and was disappointed to see the black carbon spot on the reverse, about pin head sized. I truly believe that feature should have been mentioned in the auction description (the auction had no reverse image, as I noticed in several other of your auctions that I bid on). I would like to return the coin, and would like to hear from you before I mail it. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " After two days and no response, I emailed again; "Hi. I won the eBay auction #3051158967, 1934 Texas NGC MS-64. I have paid, you shipped, and I received the coin on the 9th. On the 9th, I emailed you to say I was not pleased with the black carbon spot on the reverse of the coin and would like to take advantage of your return policy. You have not yet replied, so you may have not received the email. The auction did not show an image of the reverse, and the verbal description said, "There is some very slight toning on both sides of the coin.", which I think did not describe the visual impact of the black carbon spot. I would like to return the coin. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " There has not been ample time since this second email to know whether I will have a response or not. I feel I share some liability because I bid on an auction without a reverse image. But, all of the auctions of this seller that I had viewed that day had the same format, an obverse image and a brief verbal description of the other side. Considering everything - a good price, fast delivery, quick fb - am I making too big a deal over a carbon spot? Should the carbon spot at least been mentioned in the description? I think so, but do you? Is the tone of my emails requesting to return a fair and proper tone? They sound fair to my ears but this is email and I don't know if negative inflections can be interpretted into the words. At this point, what would you do? I always have the option of selling the coin and taking a small loss, which doesn't really concern me too much, that has happened many times before. It is not a coin I will want to keep. Bill That's not too bad a price you paid for an NGC slabbed MS64 `Texas' if it's the same one you bought on ebay recently. I'm pretty sure the seller will deliver on their promise but i understand your concerns. If they don't respond, let me know. I might be interested in the purchase(I presume that it is still inside the slab?) Ian |
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"Ian" wrote in message ... Bill Krummel wrote: Won this auction http://tinyurl.com/qbmf I paid using Paypal and received the coin two days ago, on the 9th, which is only 3 days after auction end. Seller left positive fb on the 7th, "Fast communication & payment...AAA+++ eBay eBuyer! Thanks!" When I received the coin, I was disappointed in the reverse, because of a pinhead sized black carbon spot, the first thing my eyes are drawn to when I look at the reverse. My quick image of the coin; http://tinyurl.com/qkfc I emailed the seller on the day of receipt; "Xxx, I received the 1934 Texas, NGC MS64, today and was disappointed to see the black carbon spot on the reverse, about pin head sized. I truly believe that feature should have been mentioned in the auction description (the auction had no reverse image, as I noticed in several other of your auctions that I bid on). I would like to return the coin, and would like to hear from you before I mail it. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " After two days and no response, I emailed again; "Hi. I won the eBay auction #3051158967, 1934 Texas NGC MS-64. I have paid, you shipped, and I received the coin on the 9th. On the 9th, I emailed you to say I was not pleased with the black carbon spot on the reverse of the coin and would like to take advantage of your return policy. You have not yet replied, so you may have not received the email. The auction did not show an image of the reverse, and the verbal description said, "There is some very slight toning on both sides of the coin.", which I think did not describe the visual impact of the black carbon spot. I would like to return the coin. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " There has not been ample time since this second email to know whether I will have a response or not. I feel I share some liability because I bid on an auction without a reverse image. But, all of the auctions of this seller that I had viewed that day had the same format, an obverse image and a brief verbal description of the other side. Considering everything - a good price, fast delivery, quick fb - am I making too big a deal over a carbon spot? Should the carbon spot at least been mentioned in the description? I think so, but do you? Is the tone of my emails requesting to return a fair and proper tone? They sound fair to my ears but this is email and I don't know if negative inflections can be interpretted into the words. At this point, what would you do? I always have the option of selling the coin and taking a small loss, which doesn't really concern me too much, that has happened many times before. It is not a coin I will want to keep. Bill That's not too bad a price you paid for an NGC slabbed MS64 `Texas' if it's the same one you bought on ebay recently. I'm pretty sure the seller will deliver on their promise but i understand your concerns. If they don't respond, let me know. I might be interested in the purchase(I presume that it is still inside the slab?) Ian Ian, if you like the coin, email me your proposal. It's still in the holder and I think looks original and nice if you can tolerate the black spot. Bill |
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It is not a coin I will want to keep.
Bill That seals the deal for me. If you feel strongly enough about the discrepancy in condition, you should exercise the return policy. Seller has to be aware that a distracting mark could be a deal-breaker for some bidders, and it should have been mentioned. Too bad, but it's better to return it than keep it if it fails to meet your minimum specs. Just my 2c, Tom |
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In article , "Bill Krummel"
writes: Won this auction http://tinyurl.com/qbmf I paid using Paypal and received the coin two days ago, on the 9th, which is only 3 days after auction end. Seller left positive fb on the 7th, "Fast communication & payment...AAA+++ eBay eBuyer! Thanks!" When I received the coin, I was disappointed in the reverse, because of a pinhead sized black carbon spot, the first thing my eyes are drawn to when I look at the reverse. My quick image of the coin; http://tinyurl.com/qkfc I emailed the seller on the day of receipt; "Xxx, I received the 1934 Texas, NGC MS64, today and was disappointed to see the black carbon spot on the reverse, about pin head sized. I truly believe that feature should have been mentioned in the auction description (the auction had no reverse image, as I noticed in several other of your auctions that I bid on). I would like to return the coin, and would like to hear from you before I mail it. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " After two days and no response, I emailed again; "Hi. I won the eBay auction #3051158967, 1934 Texas NGC MS-64. I have paid, you shipped, and I received the coin on the 9th. On the 9th, I emailed you to say I was not pleased with the black carbon spot on the reverse of the coin and would like to take advantage of your return policy. You have not yet replied, so you may have not received the email. The auction did not show an image of the reverse, and the verbal description said, "There is some very slight toning on both sides of the coin.", which I think did not describe the visual impact of the black carbon spot. I would like to return the coin. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " There has not been ample time since this second email to know whether I will have a response or not. I feel I share some liability because I bid on an auction without a reverse image. But, all of the auctions of this seller that I had viewed that day had the same format, an obverse image and a brief verbal description of the other side. Considering everything - a good price, fast delivery, quick fb - am I making too big a deal over a carbon spot? Should the carbon spot at least been mentioned in the description? I think so, but do you? Is the tone of my emails requesting to return a fair and proper tone? They sound fair to my ears but this is email and I don't know if negative inflections can be interpretted into the words. At this point, what would you do? I always have the option of selling the coin and taking a small loss, which doesn't really concern me too much, that has happened many times before. It is not a coin I will want to keep. Bill Bill, you worry too much. I assume the seller has a money back guarantee as most of us do. Maybe he's researching the deal to check the details. I find I can't always answer emails immediately. (Coin shows, family sickness, a day or two off for no pariticular reason). I'd give him another 3-4 days and then resend, being more insistent on a reply. If there's dead bugs in my Snicker blizzard, it doesn't make any difference it doesn't make any difference how fast you serve it or how nice you are at the window, I want another one or a refund. dondi3 (hmm, that doesn't crunch like a snicker's bar) DONDI enterprises. BUY, SELL, TRADE. RARE COINS & PRECIOUS METALS Member COINNET, CSNS, ANA, INA, MOON, ILNA. |
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Personally, I think that anything that detracts from the appearance of the
coin should be mentioned in the description. Clearly, the spot detracts from the coin. The seller should have mentioned it. I think he should refund your money including your postage costs. Richard "Bill Krummel" wrote in message ... Won this auction http://tinyurl.com/qbmf I paid using Paypal and received the coin two days ago, on the 9th, which is only 3 days after auction end. Seller left positive fb on the 7th, "Fast communication & payment...AAA+++ eBay eBuyer! Thanks!" When I received the coin, I was disappointed in the reverse, because of a pinhead sized black carbon spot, the first thing my eyes are drawn to when I look at the reverse. My quick image of the coin; http://tinyurl.com/qkfc I emailed the seller on the day of receipt; "Xxx, I received the 1934 Texas, NGC MS64, today and was disappointed to see the black carbon spot on the reverse, about pin head sized. I truly believe that feature should have been mentioned in the auction description (the auction had no reverse image, as I noticed in several other of your auctions that I bid on). I would like to return the coin, and would like to hear from you before I mail it. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " After two days and no response, I emailed again; "Hi. I won the eBay auction #3051158967, 1934 Texas NGC MS-64. I have paid, you shipped, and I received the coin on the 9th. On the 9th, I emailed you to say I was not pleased with the black carbon spot on the reverse of the coin and would like to take advantage of your return policy. You have not yet replied, so you may have not received the email. The auction did not show an image of the reverse, and the verbal description said, "There is some very slight toning on both sides of the coin.", which I think did not describe the visual impact of the black carbon spot. I would like to return the coin. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " There has not been ample time since this second email to know whether I will have a response or not. I feel I share some liability because I bid on an auction without a reverse image. But, all of the auctions of this seller that I had viewed that day had the same format, an obverse image and a brief verbal description of the other side. Considering everything - a good price, fast delivery, quick fb - am I making too big a deal over a carbon spot? Should the carbon spot at least been mentioned in the description? I think so, but do you? Is the tone of my emails requesting to return a fair and proper tone? They sound fair to my ears but this is email and I don't know if negative inflections can be interpretted into the words. At this point, what would you do? I always have the option of selling the coin and taking a small loss, which doesn't really concern me too much, that has happened many times before. It is not a coin I will want to keep. Bill |
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"Bill Krummel" wrote in message ... Won this auction http://tinyurl.com/qbmf I paid using Paypal and received the coin two days ago, on the 9th, which is only 3 days after auction end. Seller left positive fb on the 7th, "Fast communication & payment...AAA+++ eBay eBuyer! Thanks!" When I received the coin, I was disappointed in the reverse, because of a pinhead sized black carbon spot, the first thing my eyes are drawn to when I look at the reverse. My quick image of the coin; http://tinyurl.com/qkfc I emailed the seller on the day of receipt; "Xxx, I received the 1934 Texas, NGC MS64, today and was disappointed to see the black carbon spot on the reverse, about pin head sized. I truly believe that feature should have been mentioned in the auction description (the auction had no reverse image, as I noticed in several other of your auctions that I bid on). I would like to return the coin, and would like to hear from you before I mail it. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " After two days and no response, I emailed again; "Hi. I won the eBay auction #3051158967, 1934 Texas NGC MS-64. I have paid, you shipped, and I received the coin on the 9th. On the 9th, I emailed you to say I was not pleased with the black carbon spot on the reverse of the coin and would like to take advantage of your return policy. You have not yet replied, so you may have not received the email. The auction did not show an image of the reverse, and the verbal description said, "There is some very slight toning on both sides of the coin.", which I think did not describe the visual impact of the black carbon spot. I would like to return the coin. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " There has not been ample time since this second email to know whether I will have a response or not. I feel I share some liability because I bid on an auction without a reverse image. But, all of the auctions of this seller that I had viewed that day had the same format, an obverse image and a brief verbal description of the other side. Considering everything - a good price, fast delivery, quick fb - am I making too big a deal over a carbon spot? Should the carbon spot at least been mentioned in the description? I think so, but do you? Is the tone of my emails requesting to return a fair and proper tone? They sound fair to my ears but this is email and I don't know if negative inflections can be interpretted into the words. At this point, what would you do? I always have the option of selling the coin and taking a small loss, which doesn't really concern me too much, that has happened many times before. It is not a coin I will want to keep. Bill A couple of months ago you posted how a buyer had contacted you about the condition of three coins in a set you were auctioning off. You were put off that the buyer would think of asking such questions http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...7b177&rnum=111 Now you see why some people ask such questions? If you had concerns about the reverse, maybe you should have asked before you bought. I agree with your post (especially the spot being all you'll focus on), and if it were me, I'd wait a reasonable time for a reply from the seller. If none was to come, I'd move on and decide if I really wanted to keep the coin (probably not). Ed |
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"DONDI3" wrote in message ... In article , "Bill Krummel" writes: Won this auction http://tinyurl.com/qbmf I paid using Paypal and received the coin two days ago, on the 9th, which is only 3 days after auction end. Seller left positive fb on the 7th, "Fast communication & payment...AAA+++ eBay eBuyer! Thanks!" When I received the coin, I was disappointed in the reverse, because of a pinhead sized black carbon spot, the first thing my eyes are drawn to when I look at the reverse. My quick image of the coin; http://tinyurl.com/qkfc I emailed the seller on the day of receipt; "Xxx, I received the 1934 Texas, NGC MS64, today and was disappointed to see the black carbon spot on the reverse, about pin head sized. I truly believe that feature should have been mentioned in the auction description (the auction had no reverse image, as I noticed in several other of your auctions that I bid on). I would like to return the coin, and would like to hear from you before I mail it. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " After two days and no response, I emailed again; "Hi. I won the eBay auction #3051158967, 1934 Texas NGC MS-64. I have paid, you shipped, and I received the coin on the 9th. On the 9th, I emailed you to say I was not pleased with the black carbon spot on the reverse of the coin and would like to take advantage of your return policy. You have not yet replied, so you may have not received the email. The auction did not show an image of the reverse, and the verbal description said, "There is some very slight toning on both sides of the coin.", which I think did not describe the visual impact of the black carbon spot. I would like to return the coin. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " There has not been ample time since this second email to know whether I will have a response or not. I feel I share some liability because I bid on an auction without a reverse image. But, all of the auctions of this seller that I had viewed that day had the same format, an obverse image and a brief verbal description of the other side. Considering everything - a good price, fast delivery, quick fb - am I making too big a deal over a carbon spot? Should the carbon spot at least been mentioned in the description? I think so, but do you? Is the tone of my emails requesting to return a fair and proper tone? They sound fair to my ears but this is email and I don't know if negative inflections can be interpretted into the words. At this point, what would you do? I always have the option of selling the coin and taking a small loss, which doesn't really concern me too much, that has happened many times before. It is not a coin I will want to keep. Bill Bill, you worry too much. I assume the seller has a money back guarantee as most of us do. Maybe he's researching the deal to check the details. I find I can't always answer emails immediately. (Coin shows, family sickness, a day or two off for no pariticular reason). I'd give him another 3-4 days and then resend, being more insistent on a reply. If there's dead bugs in my Snicker blizzard, it doesn't make any difference it doesn't make any difference how fast you serve it or how nice you are at the window, I want another one or a refund. dondi3 (hmm, that doesn't crunch like a snicker's bar) Yeah, I thought about the possibility the seller is off to a coin show. Yes, if I still need to return, I will wait until Tuesday before making a 3rd request. Hey, ok. We will be very careful when we make your Blizzard. I have had a bug land in a Blizzard as it was handed out through the drive thru window, and yes, we did replace it. In some parts of the world, a Bad Bug Blizzard might be a best seller, although not likely around here. Bill |
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"Doggo" wrote in message ... "Bill Krummel" wrote in message ... Won this auction http://tinyurl.com/qbmf I paid using Paypal and received the coin two days ago, on the 9th, which is only 3 days after auction end. Seller left positive fb on the 7th, "Fast communication & payment...AAA+++ eBay eBuyer! Thanks!" When I received the coin, I was disappointed in the reverse, because of a pinhead sized black carbon spot, the first thing my eyes are drawn to when I look at the reverse. My quick image of the coin; http://tinyurl.com/qkfc I emailed the seller on the day of receipt; "Xxx, I received the 1934 Texas, NGC MS64, today and was disappointed to see the black carbon spot on the reverse, about pin head sized. I truly believe that feature should have been mentioned in the auction description (the auction had no reverse image, as I noticed in several other of your auctions that I bid on). I would like to return the coin, and would like to hear from you before I mail it. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " After two days and no response, I emailed again; "Hi. I won the eBay auction #3051158967, 1934 Texas NGC MS-64. I have paid, you shipped, and I received the coin on the 9th. On the 9th, I emailed you to say I was not pleased with the black carbon spot on the reverse of the coin and would like to take advantage of your return policy. You have not yet replied, so you may have not received the email. The auction did not show an image of the reverse, and the verbal description said, "There is some very slight toning on both sides of the coin.", which I think did not describe the visual impact of the black carbon spot. I would like to return the coin. Thanks, Bill Krummel at " There has not been ample time since this second email to know whether I will have a response or not. I feel I share some liability because I bid on an auction without a reverse image. But, all of the auctions of this seller that I had viewed that day had the same format, an obverse image and a brief verbal description of the other side. Considering everything - a good price, fast delivery, quick fb - am I making too big a deal over a carbon spot? Should the carbon spot at least been mentioned in the description? I think so, but do you? Is the tone of my emails requesting to return a fair and proper tone? They sound fair to my ears but this is email and I don't know if negative inflections can be interpretted into the words. At this point, what would you do? I always have the option of selling the coin and taking a small loss, which doesn't really concern me too much, that has happened many times before. It is not a coin I will want to keep. Bill A couple of months ago you posted how a buyer had contacted you about the condition of three coins in a set you were auctioning off. You were put off that the buyer would think of asking such questions http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...7b177&rnum=111 Now you see why some people ask such questions? If you had concerns about the reverse, maybe you should have asked before you bought. Well, I may be wrong, but I think that is a slight mischaracterization of my concern a few months ago. My post then was really trying to address (1) the nature of imperfections, and how far should a seller go to point out any imperfection and (2) the concern that the questions emailed me might foretell of a potential winner who would take advantage of my liberal return policy if he examined the coins under xx magnification and determined they were not PF70s and he had not made a steal. I have never had that type of problem but had heard of stories where people buy, hoping for the super high grade at a lower grade price, then ask for a return when their expectations are not met, even when the auction description says nothing to give the buyer that type of expectation. I noted in that post I had visually inspected the set and did not see any problems, which I had already noted in my auction description. Iows, I thought that my description was very adequate as it was. Anyway, there were no problems with the buyer of that set. And, no, frankly, with this current auction example, I did not have any concerns about the reverse. But that is because I thought I knew what the reverse looked like, from the verbal description. The reverse was described in the verbal description and I accepted the description as it was. Had that been the seller's only auction that did not show both sides, I probably would have been leery and passed on the auction, but all of that seller's auctions that I viewed followed the same format - image of one side only and a verbal description of the reverse. This particular auction, the 1934 Texas, really is just another example for the purpose of my first post a couple of months ago. How far should this seller have been expected to go? In my auction a few months ago, or any auction, I would mention hazing, spots visible to the naked eye, and any other imperfection that I would consider a potential distraction. But, I may not mention, perhaps not see, one pin prick sized spot somewhere on a coin. I may consider it insignificant. Had I been selling the 34 Texas, I would certainly have mentioned the black carbon spot in my verbal, as well as have an image showing it. Evidently, this seller did not feel it merited mentioning. Thus, the difference of opinion between he and I, and the question, "how far should a seller go?" If the spot had been much smaller, or on the rim, I may have felt the description was fair and accurate. Today, I am asking if others feel this spot should have been mentioned in the seller's description. One more example, then I'll shut up, since this is really not a serious problem within our hobby. When I first sold coins, I did it at Coin Universe, about six years ago. I listed a WL half in a PCGS 65 holder, with a minimum bid requirement. The auction ended without a bid and I received an offer, via email, for the coin at less than my minimum. I took the offer and sent the coin off. The buyer emailed saying he had received the coin and was not satisfied, that the coin had a milky haze on it and it would not fit in his collection. I emailed back that I had never seen a milky haze, but he could return the coin for a refund and if I concurred with him upon viewing the coin again, I would refund all postage as well. When I received the coin back, I found out that if you looked closely enough, there was indeed a faint milky haze on the obverse field, to the right of Liberty, just not noticeable with casual looks. I refunded all postage and appreciated the guy for being so particular about his coins. Soooo. What should be included in a description? The black carbon spot on my 34 Texas? Anything that can be seen with the naked eye? Anything that can be seen under 5X? 16X? Dondi, in his response in this thread, says I worry too much. When I sell, I do worry a lot. Well, I just looked back at this response. Someone, several years ago, hinted that I was verbose, or windy, or some such term. Maybe they were right. I'll quit now. Bill I agree with your post (especially the spot being all you'll focus on), and if it were me, I'd wait a reasonable time for a reply from the seller. If none was to come, I'd move on and decide if I really wanted to keep the coin (probably not). Ed |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:06:48 -0500, "Bill Krummel"
wrote: I emailed the seller on the day of receipt; After two days and no response, I emailed again; Is the tone of my emails requesting to return a fair and proper tone? Two or three whole days have elapsed and you have not received a reply? Obviously, you are dealing with a person that has a life outside of eBay and takes a few days off here and there. He may be off at a show, on a mini-vacation, or even saying to-hell-with-it for a couple of days and relaxing in a hammock in his back yard. You remind me of the guy that sits behind me and honks his horn the instant the light turns green. My inclination is to deliberately wait for a few more moments and then pull away from the light with exaggerated slowness. Any second contact in less than a week is very likely to get the other person's back up. |
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