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I have changed the settings (finally) and no longer carry the
offensive handle. During my old radio days I was known as "Moonstone" and it is as good as any other, exception - **** magnet. Thank you all for your tolerance. Moonstone |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:11 -0400, -Moonstone- wrote:
I have changed the settings (finally) and no longer carry the offensive handle. During my old radio days I was known as "Moonstone" and it is as good as any other, exception - **** magnet. Thank you all for your tolerance. At least your temporary moniker was accurate ;-) -- Sem |
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"Semolina Pilchard" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:11 -0400, -Moonstone- wrote: I have changed the settings (finally) and no longer carry the offensive handle. During my old radio days I was known as "Moonstone" and it is as good as any other, exception - **** magnet. Thank you all for your tolerance. At least your temporary moniker was accurate ;-) -- Sem You've got that right... whew! |
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-Moonstone- a écrit :
"Semolina Pilchard" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:11 -0400, -Moonstone- wrote: I have changed the settings (finally) and no longer carry the offensive handle. During my old radio days I was known as "Moonstone" and it is as good as any other, exception - **** magnet. Thank you all for your tolerance. At least your temporary moniker was accurate ;-) -- Sem You've got that right... whew! And people wonder why this board is so inactive. Perhaps its just because there are too many jerks hanging around, eager to jump all over anybody who says anything meaningful. I think you've been more than a little abused by some of the people here.It's rude for a dozen people to repeatedly disagree with one person, especially a new-comer. It looks like ganging up, to me.Yes indeed, your rather mild comments on Noodlers ink seem to have blown up quite a tempest. But this is one of the pet enthusiasms of some here. You have to understand that this ink was developped by a very popular, nice guy who used to repair and sell pens, so you sort of hit a nerve, through absolutely no fault of your own. This board has tended to be taken over by the sellers of pens and ink. There is nothing wrong with that, except... such people naturally take dire offense when their products are criticized, even slightly. But the main purpose of this board is, or was, to discuss pens and ink, not to provide people with a free sales venue. I myself use Noodlers for check-writing (in a cheapo Sheaffer) but find it too expensive, and somewhat inferior to plain old Quink for everyday usage. But if your pen will take it, doubtless the color range is enticing. I believe a few posters asserted that ink is ink, and just about any pen will work more or less well with any ink. This is nonsense. Private Reserve and Levenger and Osmiroid inks have clogged lots of my pens. A soaking will restore them, but why bother with an ink that doesn't suit your pen? There are even inks out there such as Diamine (I think that was it's name) that will clog your pen very badly, and even leave residues that a soaking won't remove. I had to throw away a pen once for this very reason. Others have commented on such inks here before. Your experience is far from unlikely or suspicious. Finally, I think your original moniker was rather cute, and am sorry people used this against you. At least you breathed life into this almost defunct board, and I for one, will be sorry to see you driven away. I had an experience somewhat like this years ago, on a musical theory list. I happen to like 19-tone equal temperament, and had studied it in depth. I had the innocence to imagine that others would be interested in a few of my findings. A few were, but the list was dominated by two resident bullies, who proceeded to tear everything I said to pieces, and finally claimed that I had stolen my ideas from them. A word to all the lurkers: never post anything really useful on the net, unless you also plan to eventually publish and SELL what you have to offer. You will only be abused for your pains. But if you consider the net just as a way to stir up interest in your work by offering a few intriguing snippets for free, you will be left feeling good about your net experience. |
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On 1 Jun 2006 15:50:56 -0700, virgiliopoeta wrote:
There are even inks out there such as Diamine (I think that was it's name) that will clog your pen very badly, and even leave residues that a soaking won't remove. I had to throw away a pen once for this very reason. You sound unsure as to whether or not it was Diamine. All I can say is that Diamine is one of the longest-established fountain pen inks. I've used it since I was a schoolboy - which was a regrettably long time ago - and I haven't had any problems with it. I rather like it, in fact. Mind you, I'm not so attached to it that I'll jump up and down with fury, call you a troll or threaten legal action because you dared to traduce its good name :-D -- Sem |
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Semolina Pilchard wrote:
virgiliopoeta wrote: There are even inks out there such as Diamine (I think that was it's name) that will clog your pen very badly, and even leave residues that a soaking won't remove. I had to throw away a pen once for this very reason. You sound unsure as to whether or not it was Diamine. All I can say is that Diamine is one of the longest-established fountain pen inks. I've used it since I was a schoolboy - which was a regrettably long time ago - and I haven't had any problems with it. I rather like it, in fact. I agree with Sem, here. Diamine is a very mild ink, some might say "washed out" even. I can't imagine its stain potential being that great. -- B |
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"virgiliopoeta" wrote in message ups.com... -Moonstone- a écrit : "Semolina Pilchard" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:11 -0400, -Moonstone- wrote: I have changed the settings (finally) and no longer carry the offensive handle. During my old radio days I was known as "Moonstone" and it is as good as any other, exception - **** magnet. Thank you all for your tolerance. At least your temporary moniker was accurate ;-) -- Sem You've got that right... whew! And people wonder why this board is so inactive. Perhaps its just because there are too many jerks hanging around, eager to jump all over anybody who says anything meaningful. I think you've been more than a little abused by some of the people here.It's rude for a dozen people to repeatedly disagree with one person, especially a new-comer. It looks like ganging up, to me.Yes indeed, your rather mild comments on Noodlers ink seem to have blown up quite a tempest. But this is one of the pet enthusiasms of some here. You have to understand that this ink was developped by a very popular, nice guy who used to repair and sell pens, so you sort of hit a nerve, through absolutely no fault of your own. This board has tended to be taken over by the sellers of pens and ink. There is nothing wrong with that, except... such people naturally take dire offense when their products are criticized, even slightly. But the main purpose of this board is, or was, to discuss pens and ink, not to provide people with a free sales venue. I myself use Noodlers for check-writing (in a cheapo Sheaffer) but find it too expensive, and somewhat inferior to plain old Quink for everyday usage. But if your pen will take it, doubtless the color range is enticing. I believe a few posters asserted that ink is ink, and just about any pen will work more or less well with any ink. This is nonsense. Private Reserve and Levenger and Osmiroid inks have clogged lots of my pens. A soaking will restore them, but why bother with an ink that doesn't suit your pen? There are even inks out there such as Diamine (I think that was it's name) that will clog your pen very badly, and even leave residues that a soaking won't remove. I had to throw away a pen once for this very reason. Others have commented on such inks here before. Your experience is far from unlikely or suspicious. Finally, I think your original moniker was rather cute, and am sorry people used this against you. At least you breathed life into this almost defunct board, and I for one, will be sorry to see you driven away. I had an experience somewhat like this years ago, on a musical theory list. I happen to like 19-tone equal temperament, and had studied it in depth. I had the innocence to imagine that others would be interested in a few of my findings. A few were, but the list was dominated by two resident bullies, who proceeded to tear everything I said to pieces, and finally claimed that I had stolen my ideas from them. A word to all the lurkers: never post anything really useful on the net, unless you also plan to eventually publish and SELL what you have to offer. You will only be abused for your pains. But if you consider the net just as a way to stir up interest in your work by offering a few intriguing snippets for free, you will be left feeling good about your net experience. Hi Virgilopoeta - Excuse my delayed response. The reader had flagged this thread as read and your response was hiding out. Anyway, I appreciate your response. Actually the moniker belongs to another user. There is one son and two nephews that access the same system until some renovation is completed. Rather than changing it, I really needed to give it back since it is being actively used by a nephew. I'd hate to see his group peers lambasting him for liking something as old-school as fountain pens. I understand what you mean about this group attempting to being taken over by commercial interests. I noticed from another recent post that not only is Noodler's being defended tooth and nail, but Private Reserve is being almost as aggressively discouraged. I take it now that PR is the big competition ink threat? Personally I wish all the retailers would move on. Doing so might allow a more freedom of expression climate to get re-rooted here once again. Naturally each respective person with a vested interest in his/her product is going to claim for fact that there's is the best or there's can do no wrong. I came here to learn some facts, not be bombarded with clandestine spam disguised as free unincumbered opinion. In relating to Noodler's, I tried my best to be fair and openminded. I may seem overly tenacious but [a] a pen expert warned me of a really bad experience with the ink; [b] I had an unusual similar experience myself with that same brand of ink; and [c] I conducted the "bead/coat" test with this and 5 or 6 other brands. Given these three facts, I have to remain open-minded about the ink. Based on other good information, I'm at least willing to give the ink another chance under certain conditions. I bought so much of it and considering it's huge cost and the fact that I like its other attributes very much, and giving it another chance is IMO the most prudent thing to do. There are a lot of good people that hang-out here. I'm betting there are more honest and knowledgable people than the few commercial concerns and their henchmen. For this reason, wild horses couldn't drive me away from this or any ng if there is useful info to be had. I will continue to treat folks the way I like being treated and if not, I have a good filtering system built into the reader. I wish some people would use their filters more because if they can't accept opinon that is genuine and candid, they're better off not reading what I may have to say at all. One thing for certain, if I do or don't like or disagree with something or someone, I'm offering it up freely without motivation of personal gain. I also want to get good info from persons that don't feel constrained or obligated to commercial concerns. I've used FPs since 1954 but still I am no expert and there is a wealth of information out there that I hope remains freely available. As the result as groups such as this, imagine how many pens have been spared the hot water assault on the bees wax! Right now I'm excited about getting my Pelly M1000 back from the tweek shop. There is a slight flow problem and I'm hoping they'll spend some time with it and get it up to "perfection." I know if any pen has the potential of being the "super ultimate" pen, Pelican has got to be one of those. Soon I will also be looking for a vintage pen that is at least 50 years old. Am even willing to put some work into one to bring it up to snuff. What I really miss is the flexibilty of the older nibs. Today's nibs are harder to destroy but this modern attribute comes at a big sacrifice. Take care. |
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:19:54 -0400, "-Moonstone-"
wrote: There are a lot of good people that hang-out here. I'm betting there are more honest and knowledgable people than the few commercial concerns and their henchmen. Evidently you feel that you now have the right to cast aspersions on anyone that took a position contrary to your expectations and the expectations of a few others. I have had dealings with Chuck and his staff and have never found them less than knowledgeable and honest, not to mention quick to respond even when it had nothing to do with their 'commercial concerns'. Those of us that agreed with Chuck aren't henchmen - we happen to agree with his position. His position was also one that you chose to misread several times that built up much of the heat of the entire thread. His challenge was to your hearsay condemnation of Noodlers Ink. I've been on this list either in lurk mode or participant for quite awhile (as in years and always under my real name - like Chuck, BTW) and I welcome the 'commercial concerns'. Most entered the business not because of the great wealth it offers, but because they had the interest first. For the record, anyone that reacts harshly to hearsay on the Internet that is damaging to someone else's reputation and livelihood is a good guy as far as I am concerned. The reaction here was mild compared to what some lists would have produced. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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"Curtis L. Russell" wrote in message ... On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:19:54 -0400, "-Moonstone-" wrote: There are a lot of good people that hang-out here. I'm betting there are more honest and knowledgable people than the few commercial concerns and their henchmen. Evidently you feel that you now have the right to cast aspersions on anyone that took a position contrary to your expectations and the expectations of a few others. I have had dealings with Chuck and his staff and have never found them less than knowledgeable and honest, not to mention quick to respond even when it had nothing to do with their 'commercial concerns'. Those of us that agreed with Chuck aren't henchmen - we happen to agree with his position. His position was also one that you chose to misread several times that built up much of the heat of the entire thread. His challenge was to your hearsay condemnation of Noodlers Ink. I've been on this list either in lurk mode or participant for quite awhile (as in years and always under my real name - like Chuck, BTW) and I welcome the 'commercial concerns'. Most entered the business not because of the great wealth it offers, but because they had the interest first. For the record, anyone that reacts harshly to hearsay on the Internet that is damaging to someone else's reputation and livelihood is a good guy as far as I am concerned. The reaction here was mild compared to what some lists would have produced. I believe that any person that unjustly attacks another people because of his or her beliefs is a henchman ro one extent or another. This is a public news group and I believe commecial use of such is contrary to the rules and spirit of the concept. It's sort of like my running commerical ads on citizens-band radio. You disagree with me but you don't call me names or attack my character to try and make yourself look better. I respect your position, and I believe you and others have received outstanding service from Chuck Swisher. Had his tone not been so hostile, it was quite possible I would have had a similar pleasure dealing with him myself. I don't question your dealing with anyone. I wasn't there so who am I to say. The only thing that I maintain is that everything I said was try to fact and unless someone out there was here, there is nothing they can say to dispute me. It's not that I am anti-Chuck Swisher so much that I am pen-user-advocate. It's just the way my empathy works. I'm trying, if not even promoting the things I like about Noodler's ink. ITMT, I am okay not dwelling on the subject and moving on to other products and challenges. I have made my point by my being being clear as to why I feel the way I do and eveyone else has subsequently either agreed or disagreed. That's all good and I hope the environment continues to allow for unconstrained freedom of expression. More people should treat you as a roll model. You have been forthright with me without calling me a troll or a crook. Over half of the info available online is or has been hearsay in one form or another. This is a public forum designed for an exchange of free expression - not a court of law. The info that has been generated by this thread alone has not been all that negative. If anything, it addresses a possible problem but also suggest remediation for those that may be overly concerned. Since there is a general consensus that anything can happen with all the different variations of pens and inks, maybe it will make us all more cognizant of our lax maintenance habits. If Mr. Swisher or anyone else thinks this line of exchange can jeopardize his reputation and livelihood, I would say the business must have already been on "shakey ground" beyond my knowledge and/or control. Although it may be true that the average American citizen is naive and ill informed, I believe people attracted to certain ngs are more intellegent and better informed than the average cross-section - that you apparently do not give credit to. I understand the appeal to one's heart by claiming the all the ramifications - dependent children and aging parents starving as business goes under etc. Curtis, I think some people will not see through the ploy and think I must really be a "cold ass." Other's will see how arrogant and cut-thoat ugly business has become. When you expect to make an 800 or 1200% profit on this or that, you are assuming heavy scrutiny and criticism as the bitter of the sweet territory. In the short time I have been familiar with the group, I've experienced some interesting persons and things. I've learned more about pens in a month than I've learned during a previous span of 50 years. Imagine how much more info would be accessible if half the users weren't being so overly careful of not stepping on someone else's toes? In your using your "given" name, it doesn't make you any more or less credible than someone using an "nym" or "handle." I happen to have had a lot of experience in amateur radio so I'm comfortable with a selected name. The truth of the matter is I have a different name for every different ng. It eliminates confusion when dealing with email and in this day of a need to guard one's own identity, I'm happy not publishing a mutitude of facets of myself that may incourage profile scheming. I'm not casting asperations=stones? (whatever that word means) toward anyone except perhaps right back at those few that attacked me first. Disagreement is a good sign. If everyone agreed with me, I'd begin to suspect that people were kissing my behind for whatever reason. After all, apparently I like you well enough to enjoy an exchange with you Curtis aren't I? Even those that were rude will get a response appropriate to the subject. Anyone can make a mistake and life is too short and holding grudges is very bad for the blood pressure. As for the few others that openly agreed with me, I believe there is more than just a few. In a repressed environment, there is a formula to estimate what any given consensus really is based on certain scale ratings. In other words, in the fear of getting a head chopped off and only two come out in support of the "unpopular" idea, there are X-X times that number of two that keeps their unpopular opinion closeted. I don't feel in the "minority" by any stretch of imagination. Take care. |
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Semolina Pilchard a écrit : On 1 Jun 2006 15:50:56 -0700, virgiliopoeta wrote: There are even inks out there such as Diamine (I think that was it's name) that will clog your pen very badly, and even leave residues that a soaking won't remove. I had to throw away a pen once for this very reason. You sound unsure as to whether or not it was Diamine. All I can say is that Diamine is one of the longest-established fountain pen inks. I've used it since I was a schoolboy - which was a regrettably long time ago - and I haven't had any problems with it. I rather like it, in fact. Mind you, I'm not so attached to it that I'll jump up and down with fury, call you a troll or threaten legal action because you dared to traduce its good name :-D -- Sem Ha, ha! (holding head painfully) actually on advice of legal counsel, I looked through some of my old ink bottles, and... the ink was Panache, not Diamine. I used Diamine while I was in Europe many years ago without problems (I think), and another brand ending in -ine (I think, or hope, or guess) which was German-Austrian in origin, which clogged one of my pens. But I still have a queasy feeling of imminent doom when I think of Diamine ink - maybe I just didn't like their red, I'm not sure. |
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