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  #101  
Old March 3rd 07, 07:29 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
Stone Mirror (the Great and Terrible)
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Default Unscrupulous Dealers and Price Gouging in Seattle?

On Mar 3, 10:25 am, "seattle_bookseller"
wrote:

Give 'stonemirror' aka David Schlesinger a little rope and he will
prove magnificently
(as he has above) that he is a stalker, a criminal harasser, a liar
and a sociopathic scumbag. All of this material will be soon brought
to the attention of his current employer. He started this thread
claiming he knew Seattle Bookseller only through
a single email concerning a specific book for sale. Now he pours
forth his vicious stalker diatribe, on tap as it were. And very
predictably.
There is no better and final proof that this entire thread was
started with a lie made by a psychopathic stalker, not any legitimate
customer of books.

He had no business starting such a thread here in the first place.
It is totally and completely off topic.


Gee, that was really worth posting twice, JASON CHRISTOPHER HUGHES aka
LUIS M. ARSUPIAL...

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  #102  
Old March 3rd 07, 07:36 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
my-wings
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Default Unscrupulous Dealers and Price Gouging in Seattle?


"seattle_bookseller" wrote in message
oups.com...
Scot, does anyone moderate this NG?


I'm not "Scot", nor do I play him on TV, but "No." This is a Usenet group,
and although Google makes it appear to need a subscription, pretty much any
party with a newsreader can get to it and say pretty much anything he/she/it
wants.

I'm pretty sure that if this group had been moderated, the whole thread
would have been canned about the third time you posted the substantially
identical message to each respondent of the original posting.

I have no opinion on who is "right" or "wrong" and absolutely zero interest
in following anybody's links and reading whatever drivel preceded this
exchange. Nevertheless, the whole thing seems to provide some amusement to a
few old regulars, so what the heck.

Alice

--
Book collecting terms illustrated. Used and out of print books for sale.
http://www.mywingsbooks.com/


  #103  
Old March 3rd 07, 07:41 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
seattle_bookseller
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Default Unscrupulous Dealers and Price Gouging in Seattle?

Just keep coughing up more evidence of your stalking behavior, David
Schlesinger of ACCESS Linux. It is piling up in a nice, fat report
for the police and for your current employer.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8...at-linuxworld/

Windowing system?
cervezas @ 4/4/2006 3:07:48 PM #

With regard to X Windows they're still not saying for now, as of
recent conversations I've had with David Schlesinger.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog


Informa Open Source in Mobile Conference
Nov. 7-8, Amsterdam, the Netherlands

PalmSource is a sponsor and will be exhibiting ALP. Mike Kelley,
Senior Vice President of Engineering, is speaking. David ("Lefty")
Schlesinger, Director of Open Source Technologies, will be
participating on a panel.

PalmSource clarifies our coverage of Palm OS and ALP
By David Gewirtz

Over the past few weeks, we've been covering the changes in the Palm
OS and its apparent eventual migration into something called ALP. As
is always the case when trying to understand something new and
relatively poorly documented, we got some of our facts wrong.

Fortunately, we've gotten some excellent clarification on ALP from two
PalmSource executives who would know: Maureen O'Connell, Senior
Director, Corporate Communications and David "Lefty" Schlesinger,
Director, Core Tools and Technologies.

"It's not particularly our intention that MAX 'inherit much of the
traditional look and feel of the Palm OS'..."

These two comments provide some excellent clues about what we might
expect in the future from PalmSource.

Clarications from Maureen O'Connell, Senior Director, Corporate
Communications
In your recently published article, "The future of the Palm platform:
rosy or uncertain," you claimed it had been confirmed that the ACCESS
Linux Platform is based "on Wind River's Platform For Consumer
Devices, Linux Edition."

I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that the ACCESS Linux
Platform, recently announced by ACCESS Co., Ltd., and its wholly-owned
subsidiary, PalmSource, has been designed to be kernel agnostic and
does not rely on unique features of any specific Linux distribution.
It is based on a standard version 2.6.12 (and above) kernel.

http://www.computingunplugged.com/is...001734001.html

  #104  
Old March 3rd 07, 07:43 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
seattle_bookseller
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Default Unscrupulous Dealers and Price Gouging in Seattle?

On Mar 3, 10:36 am, "my-wings" wrote:
"seattle_bookseller" wrote in message

oups.com...

Scot, does anyone moderate this NG?


I'm not "Scot", nor do I play him on TV, but "No." This is a Usenet group,
and although Google makes it appear to need a subscription, pretty much any
party with a newsreader can get to it and say pretty much anything he/she/it
wants.

I'm pretty sure that if this group had been moderated, the whole thread
would have been canned about the third time you posted the substantially
identical message to each respondent of the original posting.

I have no opinion on who is "right" or "wrong" and absolutely zero interest
in following anybody's links and reading whatever drivel preceded this
exchange. Nevertheless, the whole thing seems to provide some amusement to a
few old regulars, so what the heck.

Alice

--
Book collecting terms illustrated. Used and out of print books for sale.http://www.mywingsbooks.com/


You aren't the one being slandered here. I am.

  #105  
Old March 3rd 07, 07:45 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
seattle_bookseller
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Default Unscrupulous Dealers and Price Gouging in Seattle?

On Feb 10, 8:40 am, "my-wings" wrote:
"Stone Mirror (the Great and Terrible)" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...



I own a pristine copy of a volume titled "The Picatrix", published by
Ourobouros Press in 2001 in a limited edition of 1000 copies (mine is
#331). I'm doing an appraisal of the current value of this book, so I
searched Bookfinder to see what was listed there.


There are several copies listed, ranging in price from a low of $204
to a high of over $500 (the latter from a Seattle brick and mortar
store for a copy with a scuff on the cover!) One of the outliers,
pricing a copy at $430, was an outfit called "seattle_bookseller". I
wrote and asked why the price was so high, and got an amazingly
vituperative and abusive response, stating that this "WAS HOW THE RARE
BOOK BUSINESS WORKED" and that I "NEED A COURSE IN REMEDIAL ECONOMICS"
and so on.


I was a little surprised at this, but a little research turned up the
even more surprising information that this seller is one "Luis M.
Arsupial", the same person who was doing business (kinda) as
"texas_bookseller" up until about six months ago, and who previously
created a huge stink in this group over some questionable
transactions!


This kind of pricing seems like nothing more than gouging to me. I
could buy two copies of this book for what this yoyo is asking for it.
I can only assume that he's doing business on a basis of relying on
his customers being ignorant and not doing their research. Based on
the listings on Bookfinder, I'd estimate the value of this book at
$225 to $250, certainly nowhere close to $430.


Is this a usual practice? Do a lot of booksellers price their wares in
the hopes that their buyers will be too stupid to know that they're
being asked to pay twice what a book is worth?


(Apparently this "Luis M. Arsupial"--"marsupial"...?--was once known
as "Jason Christopher Hughes", a name which turns up a wide variety of
odd and amazing postings on USENET...)


I remember some sort of hoo-haa over "Luis M. Arsupial" but forget the
details, so my comments are general.

First: Good for you for doing your homework! The first rule of internet book
buying is "buyer beware".

Second: While the seller's response to you was over the top and
unprofessional, it's hard to know by how much without knowing how your
inquiry was phrased. Did you say: "I collect this author and I'd be happy to
know if you've got something special I haven't seen before that would make
your book worth more than most of the others I've seen"? Or did you say:
"You are a price gouger and a thief who preys on the ignorant and unwary.
Why are you charging so much?"?

Again, I'm ignoring whatever reputation the seller has already acquired.
Just talking in general.

One possibility is that the seller doesn't even own the book. That happened
to me not too long ago. I sold one to another seller who asked me to drop
ship the book. When I looked at his web site, he had copied my description
lock, stock, and barrel and upped my price by a third.

If I had to guess, I'd guess that that's what's really happening with your
seattle_bookseller. He finds books worth a few hundred dollars, prices his
copy a bit below the top, and plans on buying one of the lower priced books
if he has to fulfill the order. What could be better? Somebody else buys and
stocks the book, and it doesn't cost him a cent until he gets the order.
Again, just speculation, but that's my first guess.

All that said, basically used books are worth exactly what some one will pay
for them. The internet has been a great leveler as far as pricing, because
most people, even with a simple Google search, can do exactly what you did
and get the range of prices available. In the "old days", books moved much
differently. Sellers had shops, and priced for their geographic areas and
their specialty. A book that was priced at $12 in one shop could bring $50
or $200 when moved to a dealer who had the right clients for it. Sales from
dealer to dealer were a much bigger part of the trade. It was understood
that part of the value a dealer added to a book was his knowledge of the
collecting area and years of cultivating the kind of customers who would
want that kind of book.

So...your seller may indeed be a sleaze-bag. I would certainly never buy
from him based on the unprofessional response he made to you. But if he's
got the book and he wants to list it at $400+ when most copies are in the
$200-range, so what? Maybe his policy is to never revise a listing, and he's
just waiting for the market to catch up with him! You don't have to buy the
book, and he doesn't have to justify his price to you, unless he's got a
really good story that truly makes the book worth what he's charging.

Not that I think it's necessarily right for a dealer to charge any price at
all. I've seen some things that would simply embarrass me to be involved
with. There was an auction on eBay two weeks ago where a seller paired two
common $25 books, hyped the illustrator and sold the pair for over $200. And
a copycat did the same thing with the same titles and netted over $100.
Again, nobody made any of the customers bid on the auctions, and the books
were started at a very reasonable price, but seeing the final values, I just
cringed. I would hate to be either of those sellers when their customers
found out they could have gotten the same books for a quarter or half the
price on amazon.

And that, my friend, is why serious collectors often support specific
sellers over a period of years, even if it means they pay a small premium in
the pricing over what the same titles in the same condition would bring in
other venues. They do it because they know they can trust the seller to
accurately describe the books, to stand behind their products, and to price
fairly, even if not at the cheapest price.

Alice

--
Book collecting terms illustrated. Occasional books for sale.http://www.mywingsbooks.com/


Just keep coughing up more evidence of your stalking behavior, David
Schlesinger of ACCESS Linux. It is piling up in a nice, fat report
for the police and for your current employer.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8...atform-shown-a...

Windowing system?
cervezas @ 4/4/2006 3:07:48 PM #

With regard to X Windows they're still not saying for now, as of
recent conversations I've had with David Schlesinger.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog

Informa Open Source in Mobile Conference
Nov. 7-8, Amsterdam, the Netherlands

PalmSource is a sponsor and will be exhibiting ALP. Mike Kelley,
Senior Vice President of Engineering, is speaking. David ("Lefty")
Schlesinger, Director of Open Source Technologies, will be
participating on a panel.

PalmSource clarifies our coverage of Palm OS and ALP
By David Gewirtz

Over the past few weeks, we've been covering the changes in the Palm
OS and its apparent eventual migration into something called ALP. As
is always the case when trying to understand something new and
relatively poorly documented, we got some of our facts wrong.

Fortunately, we've gotten some excellent clarification on ALP from two
PalmSource executives who would know: Maureen O'Connell, Senior
Director, Corporate Communications and David "Lefty" Schlesinger,
Director, Core Tools and Technologies.

"It's not particularly our intention that MAX 'inherit much of the
traditional look and feel of the Palm OS'..."

These two comments provide some excellent clues about what we might
expect in the future from PalmSource.

Clarications from Maureen O'Connell, Senior Director, Corporate
Communications
In your recently published article, "The future of the Palm platform:
rosy or uncertain," you claimed it had been confirmed that the ACCESS
Linux Platform is based "on Wind River's Platform For Consumer
Devices, Linux Edition."

I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that the ACCESS Linux
Platform, recently announced by ACCESS Co., Ltd., and its wholly-owned
subsidiary, PalmSource, has been designed to be kernel agnostic and
does not rely on unique features of any specific Linux distribution.
It is based on a standard version 2.6.12 (and above) kernel.

http://www.computingunplugged.com/is...001734001.html

  #106  
Old March 3rd 07, 07:49 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
Stone Mirror (the Great and Terrible)
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Default Unscrupulous Dealers and Price Gouging in Seattle?

On Mar 3, 9:10 am, "seattle_bookseller"
wrote:
SEATTLE_BOOKSELLER does not do business on blogs. We never posted on
any blog whatsoever, anywhere. We did not discuss any book with you
or anyone else on any blog. Can you link to this? No, you can't.
You have admitted your lies here, once again.


Hey, a little bird just informed me that the anonym attempting to
elbow his way into what appears to be a transaction between over a
rather rare volume is _you_!

http://kagamiishi.livejournal.com/21148.html

Is that so? Is one of your other sock puppets?
This sounds an awful lot like you:

anyone who values a book per pound like a cut of meat...
they aren't worthy to possess that book or any other.
they show themselves to be a butcher, not a scholar
or one who can appreciate the arts at all.

but that is so typical of the greedy, 'plumber' mindset
that covets such things... people who would be better
off sticking to their grubby little engineer worlds and not
trying to comprehend the Mysteries - Mysteries which
DO NOT come per the pound or by the page.

Your attitude is crass and low. Chumbley's 'Golden Toad'
is about 100 pages, has no art in it at all - and it goes for
almost $5,000 .


And what's up with _this_ ****? In response to a comment on your
having purchased a crossbow on eBay a while back, you wrote:

Its got poisoned darts - a combination of pure nicotine sulfate
from 'Dexol' garden pesticide and also a dash of strychnine
from another hardware store product for rodents. Its mixed
with gelatin and wood glue, and dried onto the bolt shafts.
Extremely lethal. In the field it has taken down wild pigs in
the central american jungle inside 7 minutes.


So, you've got a crossbox with "extremely lethal" poisoned bolts...?
In _Seattle_...? Do you get a lot of wild pigs in your neighborhood,
or are your past customers that upset with you...?


  #107  
Old March 3rd 07, 07:55 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
Stone Mirror (the Great and Terrible)
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Default Unscrupulous Dealers and Price Gouging in Seattle?

On Mar 3, 10:43 am, "seattle_bookseller"
wrote:

You aren't the one being slandered here. I am.


The only one slandering you here is yourself, JASON CHRISTOPHER HUGHES
aka LUIS M. ARSUPIAL. All I did was relate an exchange you and I had
over your gross overpricing of that copy of the Picatrix that you
_still_ can't unload at $425. I don't think it's worth more than $300.
How does that "slander" you?

People have accurately related your dismal record on Amazon. Those are
facts anyone can check. How does that "slander" you?

Tell you what, JASON CHRISTOPHER HUGHES aka LUIS M. ARSUPIAL: if you
feel that you're being slandered by me, since you have such detailed
information, you get ahold of your attorney and go right ahead and
file suit against me.

Whaddaya say?



  #108  
Old March 3rd 07, 08:00 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
seattle_bookseller
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Default Unscrupulous Dealers and Price Gouging in Seattle?

On Mar 3, 10:55 am, "Stone Mirror (the Great and Terrible)"
wrote:
On Mar 3, 10:43 am, "seattle_bookseller"

wrote:

You aren't the one being slandered here. I am.


The only one slandering you here is yourself, JASON CHRISTOPHER HUGHES
aka LUIS M. ARSUPIAL. All I did was relate an exchange you and I had
over your gross overpricing of that copy of the Picatrix that you
_still_ can't unload at $425. I don't think it's worth more than $300.
How does that "slander" you?

People have accurately related your dismal record on Amazon. Those are
facts anyone can check. How does that "slander" you?

Tell you what, JASON CHRISTOPHER HUGHES aka LUIS M. ARSUPIAL: if you
feel that you're being slandered by me, since you have such detailed
information, you get ahold of your attorney and go right ahead and
file suit against me.

Whaddaya say?


Seattle Bookseller never had any communication with you in any form
regarding ANY book at any time. And you have zero evidence to back
your claim.
Post the email, stalker. Link to it, stalker. You can't, because
your mission here was to slander a business with lies. Well, you have
been exposed as the liar now. And not by any means for the first time.

  #109  
Old March 3rd 07, 08:02 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
Stone Mirror (the Great and Terrible)
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Default Unscrupulous Dealers and Price Gouging in Seattle?

On Mar 3, 10:45 am, "seattle_bookseller"
wrote:

It is piling up in a nice, fat report
for the police and for your current employer.


I've _pleaded_ for you to call the cops. I've double-dog _dared_ you
to. So far, you seem to be taking your sweet time about it. Whenever
they get here, I'll be more than happy to discuss your attempts at
identity theft, fraud and extortion with them and provide them with
the supporting evidence.

As far as my employer goes, they've been well aware of you since the
_last_ time you attempted (with your usual total lack of success) to
damage my professional reputation over a year ago. I've got the
evidence to tie you to that as well, and as soon as you call my
employer, you will find yourself speaking to someone in our Legal
department with whom I predict you will have an interesting
discussion, but one quite unsatisfying to you.

So, have at it, JASON CHRISTOPHER HUGHES aka LUIS M, ARSUPIAL. Knock
yourself out.



  #110  
Old March 3rd 07, 08:02 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
seattle_bookseller
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Default Unscrupulous Dealers and Price Gouging in Seattle?

On Mar 3, 10:27 am, "Stone Mirror (the Great and Terrible)"
wrote:
On Mar 3, 10:16 am, "seattle_bookseller"

wrote:
Scot, does anyone moderate this NG?


No LJ Abuse team to go whimpering to here, I'm afraid, JASON
CHRISTOPHER HUGHES aka LUIS M/ ARSUPIAL.

The magic of the Internet.

Hey, didja hear that they revealed some serious deficiencies and
exploits around Onion Routers? Think you should be worrying...?


This has become a police matter at this point. You are a stalker,
David Schlesinger.

 




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