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PCGS and Their "Questionable Color" Ripoff
What is the deal with this nonsense?
When I submit a coin to PCGS, I want to know if it is genuine, the grade, and if it is original. IMO if you are paying the supposed leading expert graders in the industry a $30 grading fee plus shipping both ways, then their "Genuine - Questionable Color" B.S is not an option. I'm paying them to tell me one way or the other. The color/toning is either ORIGINAL or NOT. If they can't tell the difference, then what is their opinion worth? IMO the grading fee should be refunded if their "experts" can't discern the difference. It's a total ripoff otherwise. |
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PCGS and Their "Questionable Color" Ripoff
"Reality" wrote in message ... What is the deal with this nonsense? When I submit a coin to PCGS, I want to know if it is genuine, the grade, and if it is original. IMO if you are paying the supposed leading expert graders in the industry a $30 grading fee plus shipping both ways, then their "Genuine - Questionable Color" B.S is not an option. I'm paying them to tell me one way or the other. The color/toning is either ORIGINAL or NOT. If they can't tell the difference, then what is their opinion worth? IMO the grading fee should be refunded if their "experts" can't discern the difference. It's a total ripoff otherwise. Tell 'em we said to give you your money back. It's much less stressful to buy coins already graded by PCGS (and paid for by someone else) than to send them your own coins and hold your breath waiting. |
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PCGS and Their "Questionable Color" Ripoff
On Jan 15, 8:10*pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote:
"Reality" wrote in message ... What is the deal with this nonsense? When I submit a coin to PCGS, I want to know if it is genuine, the grade, and if it is original. IMO if you are paying the supposed leading expert graders in the industry a $30 grading fee plus shipping both ways, then their "Genuine - Questionable Color" B.S is not an option. *I'm paying them to tell me one way or the other. The color/toning is either ORIGINAL or NOT. If they can't tell the difference, then what is their opinion worth? IMO the grading fee should be refunded if their "experts" can't discern the difference. *It's a total ripoff otherwise. Tell 'em we said to give you your money back. *It's much less stressful to buy coins already graded by PCGS (and paid for by someone else) than to send them your own coins and hold your breath waiting. The point is, why should *anyone* get ripped off in that manner? |
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PCGS and Their "Questionable Color" Ripoff
On Jan 15, 10:42*pm, Reality wrote:
On Jan 15, 8:10*pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote: "Reality" wrote in message ... What is the deal with this nonsense? When I submit a coin to PCGS, I want to know if it is genuine, the grade, and if it is original. IMO if you are paying the supposed leading expert graders in the industry a $30 grading fee plus shipping both ways, then their "Genuine - Questionable Color" B.S is not an option. *I'm paying them to tell me one way or the other. The color/toning is either ORIGINAL or NOT. If they can't tell the difference, then what is their opinion worth? IMO the grading fee should be refunded if their "experts" can't discern the difference. *It's a total ripoff otherwise. Tell 'em we said to give you your money back. *It's much less stressful to buy coins already graded by PCGS (and paid for by someone else) than to send them your own coins and hold your breath waiting. The point is, why should *anyone* get ripped off in that manner?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you play cards for half-an-hour and can't figure out who the patsy is, you're the patsy. oly |
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"Reality" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 8:10 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote: "Reality" wrote in message ... What is the deal with this nonsense? When I submit a coin to PCGS, I want to know if it is genuine, the grade, and if it is original. IMO if you are paying the supposed leading expert graders in the industry a $30 grading fee plus shipping both ways, then their "Genuine - Questionable Color" B.S is not an option. I'm paying them to tell me one way or the other. The color/toning is either ORIGINAL or NOT. If they can't tell the difference, then what is their opinion worth? IMO the grading fee should be refunded if their "experts" can't discern the difference. It's a total ripoff otherwise. Tell 'em we said to give you your money back. It's much less stressful to buy coins already graded by PCGS (and paid for by someone else) than to send them your own coins and hold your breath waiting. The point is, why should *anyone* get ripped off in that manner? =========== If you do some homework first, you're less likely to get "ripped off". Sending a coin to a TPG like PCGS can be a crapshoot unless you're someone who's experienced with that sort of thing. Before spending that money maybe it would have saved any disappointment if you'd showed the coin first to a couple reputable dealers who might have cautioned you about your coin's questionable color and how PCGS might respond to it. You didn't say if you did submit the coin through a dealer or if you're a "member". If it was through a dealer, maybe you've got a gripe with that dealer for not advising you as to what PCGS might conclude. No one should get ripped off in that manner, and there are many ways to minimize the chance. |
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On Jan 16, 8:29*am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:
"Reality" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 8:10 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote: "Reality" wrote in message ... What is the deal with this nonsense? When I submit a coin to PCGS, I want to know if it is genuine, the grade, and if it is original. IMO if you are paying the supposed leading expert graders in the industry a $30 grading fee plus shipping both ways, then their "Genuine - Questionable Color" B.S is not an option. I'm paying them to tell me one way or the other. The color/toning is either ORIGINAL or NOT. If they can't tell the difference, then what is their opinion worth? IMO the grading fee should be refunded if their "experts" can't discern the difference. It's a total ripoff otherwise. Tell 'em we said to give you your money back. It's much less stressful to buy coins already graded by PCGS (and paid for by someone else) than to send them your own coins and hold your breath waiting. The point is, why should *anyone* get ripped off in that manner? =========== If you do some homework first, you're less likely to get "ripped off". Sending a coin to a TPG like PCGS can be a crapshoot unless you're someone who's experienced with that sort of thing. *Before spending that money maybe it would have saved any disappointment if you'd showed the coin first to a couple reputable dealers who might have cautioned you about your coin's questionable color and how PCGS might respond to it. *You didn't say if you did submit the coin through a dealer or if you're a "member". *If it was through a dealer, maybe you've got a gripe with that dealer for not advising you as to what PCGS might conclude. No one should get ripped off in that manner, and there are many ways to minimize the chance.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bruce, your first advice was very adequate (i.e., buy a decent piece, sightseen, already slabbed); that's not the game the OP wants to play. oly |
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On Jan 16, 6:29*am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:
"Reality" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 8:10 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote: "Reality" wrote in message ... What is the deal with this nonsense? When I submit a coin to PCGS, I want to know if it is genuine, the grade, and if it is original. IMO if you are paying the supposed leading expert graders in the industry a $30 grading fee plus shipping both ways, then their "Genuine - Questionable Color" B.S is not an option. I'm paying them to tell me one way or the other. The color/toning is either ORIGINAL or NOT. If they can't tell the difference, then what is their opinion worth? IMO the grading fee should be refunded if their "experts" can't discern the difference. It's a total ripoff otherwise. Tell 'em we said to give you your money back. It's much less stressful to buy coins already graded by PCGS (and paid for by someone else) than to send them your own coins and hold your breath waiting. The point is, why should *anyone* get ripped off in that manner? =========== If you do some homework first, you're less likely to get "ripped off". Sending a coin to a TPG like PCGS can be a crapshoot unless you're someone who's experienced with that sort of thing. *Before spending that money maybe it would have saved any disappointment if you'd showed the coin first to a couple reputable dealers who might have cautioned you about your coin's questionable color and how PCGS might respond to it. *You didn't say if you did submit the coin through a dealer or if you're a "member". *If it was through a dealer, maybe you've got a gripe with that dealer for not advising you as to what PCGS might conclude. No one should get ripped off in that manner, and there are many ways to minimize the chance. I sent it in through a very experienced dealer. The coin was an 1882- CC PL Morgan Dollar with rainbow toning. I bought the coin from another reputable dealer over 20 years ago and it has been in my safe deposit box since. No one at the shop had any problems with it and neither did I. My question is why didn't PCGS just say that their opinion was that the coin was recolored? (They would be wrong BTW.) |
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On Jan 16, 6:56*am, oly wrote:
On Jan 16, 8:29*am, "Bruce Remick" wrote: "Reality" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 8:10 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote: "Reality" wrote in message .... What is the deal with this nonsense? When I submit a coin to PCGS, I want to know if it is genuine, the grade, and if it is original. IMO if you are paying the supposed leading expert graders in the industry a $30 grading fee plus shipping both ways, then their "Genuine - Questionable Color" B.S is not an option. I'm paying them to tell me one way or the other. The color/toning is either ORIGINAL or NOT. If they can't tell the difference, then what is their opinion worth? IMO the grading fee should be refunded if their "experts" can't discern the difference. It's a total ripoff otherwise. Tell 'em we said to give you your money back. It's much less stressful to buy coins already graded by PCGS (and paid for by someone else) than to send them your own coins and hold your breath waiting. The point is, why should *anyone* get ripped off in that manner? =========== If you do some homework first, you're less likely to get "ripped off". Sending a coin to a TPG like PCGS can be a crapshoot unless you're someone who's experienced with that sort of thing. *Before spending that money maybe it would have saved any disappointment if you'd showed the coin first to a couple reputable dealers who might have cautioned you about your coin's questionable color and how PCGS might respond to it. *You didn't say if you did submit the coin through a dealer or if you're a "member". *If it was through a dealer, maybe you've got a gripe with that dealer for not advising you as to what PCGS might conclude. No one should get ripped off in that manner, and there are many ways to minimize the chance.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bruce, your first advice was very adequate (i.e., buy a decent piece, sightseen, already slabbed); that's not the game the OP wants to play. oly I was going to put the coin in an auction raw, and the advice given to me was to have it slobbed because that's how most people want to buy them these days. I'm not playing any games, and I don't appreciate your silly insinuations. |
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On Jan 16, 12:35*pm, Reality wrote:
On Jan 16, 6:56*am, oly wrote: On Jan 16, 8:29*am, "Bruce Remick" wrote: "Reality" wrote in message .... On Jan 15, 8:10 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote: "Reality" wrote in message ... What is the deal with this nonsense? When I submit a coin to PCGS, I want to know if it is genuine, the grade, and if it is original. IMO if you are paying the supposed leading expert graders in the industry a $30 grading fee plus shipping both ways, then their "Genuine - Questionable Color" B.S is not an option. I'm paying them to tell me one way or the other. The color/toning is either ORIGINAL or NOT. If they can't tell the difference, then what is their opinion worth? IMO the grading fee should be refunded if their "experts" can't discern the difference. It's a total ripoff otherwise. Tell 'em we said to give you your money back. It's much less stressful to buy coins already graded by PCGS (and paid for by someone else) than to send them your own coins and hold your breath waiting. The point is, why should *anyone* get ripped off in that manner? =========== If you do some homework first, you're less likely to get "ripped off".. Sending a coin to a TPG like PCGS can be a crapshoot unless you're someone who's experienced with that sort of thing. *Before spending that money maybe it would have saved any disappointment if you'd showed the coin first to a couple reputable dealers who might have cautioned you about your coin's questionable color and how PCGS might respond to it. *You didn't say if you did submit the coin through a dealer or if you're a "member". *If it was through a dealer, maybe you've got a gripe with that dealer for not advising you as to what PCGS might conclude. No one should get ripped off in that manner, and there are many ways to minimize the chance.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bruce, your first advice was very adequate (i.e., buy a decent piece, sightseen, already slabbed); that's not the game the OP wants to play. oly I was going to put the coin in an auction raw, and the advice given to me was to have it slobbed because that's how most people want to buy them these days. *I'm not playing any games, and I don't appreciate your silly insinuations.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Of course you're playing a game. And you're not an insider, which is why you can't win. And to boot, you'll have to misrepresent the coin for the rest of the sales process. Which, obviously you are more than willing to do. oly |
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PCGS and Their "Questionable Color" Ripoff
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:32:42 -0800 (PST), Reality
wrote: My question is why didn't PCGS just say that their opinion was that the coin was recolored? (They would be wrong BTW.) The term "Questionable Color" covers a lot of ground, from chemical dips through baking. The problem that PCGS faces is that unlike other "no grade" codes, it's difficult to prove conclusively that a coin has been recolored, or recently dipped, or otherwise artificially toned. Experts can and do disagree on individual items. More than once, I've seen coins rejected as artificially colored end up in pristine slabs. In fact, I own one. It's a 1904 Cent that's sleeping peacefully in an MS-64 Red holder after a sojourn in a body bag. It's been 9 years since it was slabbed, and so far the coin hasn't developed the orange-pink color that I'd expect from dipped copper. But there are also some black spots on the reverse which make me think otherwise. So think of PCGS's "Questionable Color" no-grade code as saying, "we won't stick a grade on this coin because we don't want to guarantee it." -- Mike Benveniste -- (Clarification Required) Cogito eggo sum -- I'm thinking toaster waffles for breakfast. |
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