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need help with very odd jukebox
keith, I am guessing your correct on all counts....
The Juke is a buddy of mine's. I am going to suggest that he gut it and set it up for use as a Mame type jukebox. I think I could sort out the buttons (ribbon type cable coming from the switch pad membrane). ive done some jamma and pinball and juke things in the past (thats why he brought it to me!!) Im going to try and send some off board video to the monitor today... if that goes well, Ill bet he will want to convert it... thanks for the help bob in phx "Keith Stelter" wrote in message . .. Is this a personal project that you are trying to restore? My opinion is that you will have only two options if you want to get this thing going. Option one is to run an add in local Amityville papers looking for ANY information about the company. I've done that before with some success. Sometimes you will actually get a call from someone saying "my dad use to work at that place and has a big box of old manuals and parts for those dumb things". Then again you might not get anything. You could also list an auction on Ebay for one cent offering pictures of the juke (so it's to Ebay), but really asking if anyone has any info or parts for one. A LOT of people search Ebay day! The other option would be to convert it to a different system using video files on a PC. The hardest part there would be interfacing the controls with the PC. I've done it on some simple Jamma systems where you put a PC with a zillion games into an old Pacman cabinet but I don't know how complex it would be to wire the controls of your juke. If you were going to do it that way you could use a program like WinCab jukebox and customize the controls or use a touchscreen monitor to run it. There's a 99.9% chance that even if you DO find original components they will be shot, and the 80's technology parts needed to fix them won't be available. And if I'm right about them being Laserdisc players instead of VCR's you are screwed anyway because you won't be able to get the discs with the music and videos. Other than those options I would dumpster it or put an HDTV in the cabinet and make it a conversation piece for your rec room. "Bob in Phx" wrote in message ... any thing at all would help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bob in phx "Keith Stelter" wrote in message . .. I think that I remember seeing some of those at an operators place in South Bend, Indiana back in the late 80's. I wanna say that they had RCA laser disc players in them and not VCR's, but I could be wrong. The place is out of business now or I could have checked it out. I might be able to find the guy's name and home number and give him a call, but don't hold your breath. "Phil" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 11:37 am, "Bob in Phx" wrote: More info... there is also a pal decoder board and the amp (solid state) was made in England. So, I am guessing that it was some sort of import that used a pal vcr deck..... Bob in phx. "Ken In Texas" wrote in ... Dang John...what juke have you not saw I know ive never saw or heard of anything like that one Id like to see that think work John Robertson wrote: Post some pictures of the logic board - I might have seen this before, but am not certain. John :-#)# Bob in Phx wrote: sorry, forgot the JPG extension... please try these!!!!!!!!! thanks in advance. http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke1.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke2.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke3.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke4.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke5.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke6.JPG "Bob in Phx" wrote in message ... ill fix it !!!!!! bob "Ken In Texas" wrote in message ... me either Speshul When Lit wrote: none of these pics work for me "Bob in Phx" wrote in message news I friend of mine has delivered to me, a "video & Sound" jukebox made in Amity NY. This thing is over 6 foot tall, contains a 25 inch rca Television, coin door and a computer. first off does anyone have any idea where I could find any information about the company, or the system. The jukebox is missing the playback VCR's and the speakers. From the plugs in the rear of the box, it appears that the VCR's used some sort of 25 pin control system, like I have never seen before. I'll be posting pics asap he http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke1 http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke2 http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke3 thanks in advance for any information -- Ken In Texas http://www.pinballrebel.com Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's "Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you on his own. If he ain't, no need to embarrass him." -- Ken In Texas http://www.pinballrebel.com Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's "Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you on his own. If he ain't, no need to embarrass him."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nope... Not made in England.... Made in Amityville Long Island, NY (the place where the "house" attacked those people)... The factory for this thing was right down off of Sunrise Highway (Rt 27) and Route 110.... |
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need help with very odd jukebox
On Nov 23, 2:37 am, "Bob in Phx" wrote:
More info... there is also a pal decoder board and the amp (solid state) was made in England. So, I am guessing that it was some sort of import that used a pal vcr deck..... Bob in phx. "Ken In Texas" wrote in ... Dang John...what juke have you not saw I know ive never saw or heard of anything like that one Id like to see that think work John Robertson wrote: Post some pictures of the logic board - I might have seen this before, but am not certain. John :-#)# Bob in Phx wrote: sorry, forgot the JPG extension... please try these!!!!!!!!! thanks in advance. http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke1.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke2.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke3.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke4.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke5.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke6.JPG "Bob in Phx" wrote in message ... ill fix it !!!!!! bob "Ken In Texas" wrote in message ... me either Speshul When Lit wrote: none of these pics work for me "Bob in Phx" wrote in message news I friend of mine has delivered to me, a "video & Sound" jukebox made in Amity NY. This thing is over 6 foot tall, contains a 25 inch rca Television, coin door and a computer. first off does anyone have any idea where I could find any information about the company, or the system. The jukebox is missing the playback VCR's and the speakers. From the plugs in the rear of the box, it appears that the VCR's used some sort of 25 pin control system, like I have never seen before. I'll be posting pics asap he http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke1 http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke2 http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke3 thanks in advance for any information -- Ken In Texas http://www.pinballrebel.com Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's "Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you on his own. If he ain't, no need to embarrass him." -- Ken In Texas http://www.pinballrebel.com Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's "Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you on his own. If he ain't, no need to embarrass him." VCR based video jukeboxes were typically sold in Australia from about 1984/5 on (usually by scam or get-rich-quick merchants on exhorbitant lease schemes direct to bar owners, costing the operator a site in the process). They were in a crappy looking black or blue craftwood box and ran from a commodore64 computer. At the time Australian manufactured Rowe MM 2,3,4 machines were mostly used in commercial operation. The last time I saw one sold to a site would have been 1992 in a city called Maryborough (that incidentally is famous for being the incest capital of QLD) to a now defunct hotel, and by that stage the makers had changed the layout of the song titles from the 45rpm title strip format that yours has to one that grouped the songs into lists of 10 or so in windows about the size of a CD cover (to attempt to keep up with the times as CD jukes were coming on the scene about then). They typically used a single "national" (now panasonic) brand VCR that was a special professional unit and a lot narrower in width than a standard home VCR of the time. (It possibly didnt have a tuner). Due to the Single VCR, it could take a significant time to wind and rewind between selections, especially if they are at the other end of the tape to each other ! ------------- in 1988-89 I did obtain a more "up-market" model that had come from the USA, that's system looks more like yours, (cabinet wasnt anything like it). This version had 2 of these VCR's in it - and 2 copies of the same VHS tape were used, the second VCR would cue up the next selection ready to play, so there was no delay between songs. It had the same plugs as you show there, but the board was different. I never got it operational, and it ended up on the local rubbish tip in 1992. It didnt have any VCRs in it, but everything else was there. I may have external pics of this unit still, if you want I will try and find and scan them for you. As I remember, the VHS tapes were specially encoded, and required a stereo (read - expensive) VCR to operate. One channel held the mono audio, and the other channel had "control tones". There would be a burst of them (possibly a similar standard to the cassette tape interfaces used on the early consumer computers in the early 1980's) at the beginning of the tape for about 10 seconds, then a sharp "pip" noise every few minutes as you played the tape. I assume that the machine kept the tape threaded against the audio head and did a "search" at high speed, while monitoring the head for these tones, in order to "tell" the system where the tape position was so it could find the wanted song. The layout of the tape was typically 12 songs in order with about a 10 sec break between them, then advertising, then another 12 songs etc. etc The system was PAL (Australian BG format) and the tapes would play on any regular VCR ( i still have a box of the tapes, the music on them is typical 1985-6 era) These systems were very unreliable long term, and the tapes (in the 1980's) were on some ripoff subsrciption service at about $150 AU per month. Few sites woud earn that much at the time. I would not advise trying to restore one to original operation. It would make much more sense to install a PC and juke software and run it that way. I dont know how you would go about making the tapes for it, even if you did get it to work. Your system's innards certianly dont look American, for one that power board is a UK mains socket unit, and that power transformer looks more like our Eur/Australian locally made models than anything I have ever seen in a US made machine. Finally the wire colours are blue/brown and that is a UK/Australian standard. The brown is the Active and the blue is the neutral. It also looks like a typical pommy cabinet design, the USA made stuff was more advanced in style and appearance, and as far as I know, still is. I would suggest it was imported and had a US distributor's name put on it, or they had their own cabinet art made for it. The music on your machine is interesting too, it has the Australian songs "sleeping beauty" and "pleasure and pain" (fortunately not their later song "i touch myself") both by the local group "divinyls" (christina amphlett) as well as "Working class man" by jimmy barnes (lead singer of "cold chisel"). I wasnt aware these songs were ever popular - or even released outside australia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Amphlett ------- I do have a manual for another unit "molly's video jukebox" (named after the 1974-89 "count-down" TV music show host molly meldrum) but its little use, mostly contining information on how to market the machine to a site. I dont know how this machine worked inside, as I never saw the guts of one, but it did sound good |
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need help with very odd jukebox
On Nov 24, 12:08 am, "Keith Stelter"
wrote: Is this a personal project that you are trying to restore? My opinion is that you will have only two options if you want to get this thing going. Option one is to run an add in local Amityville papers looking for ANY information about the company. I've done that before with some success. Sometimes you will actually get a call from someone saying "my dad use to work at that place and has a big box of old manuals and parts for those dumb things". Then again you might not get anything. You could also list an auction on Ebay for one cent offering pictures of the juke (so it's to Ebay), but really asking if anyone has any info or parts for one. A LOT of people search Ebay day! The other option would be to convert it to a different system using video files on a PC. The hardest part there would be interfacing the controls with the PC. I've done it on some simple Jamma systems where you put a PC with a zillion games into an old Pacman cabinet but I don't know how complex it would be to wire the controls of your juke. If you were going to do it that way you could use a program like WinCab jukebox and customize the controls or use a touchscreen monitor to run it. There's a 99.9% chance that even if you DO find original components they will be shot, and the 80's technology parts needed to fix them won't be available. And if I'm right about them being Laserdisc players instead of VCR's you are screwed anyway because you won't be able to get the discs with the music and videos I think you will find they were VCRs, but I could be wrong on this. I agree 1000% on your comments on parts being near impossible to find, and the chance of them actually working, is that much again, even if you do find them. Stuff like this was a nighmare even when it was current, and the music situation even more so. Even if they are VHS, how would you encode and make the tapes ? it would be hours or days of work, even if you had the clips already on your PC Even if some total nut-job wanted to pay $10,000+ to have this thing working and original as a collectable or something, I would think twice about it as it would repeatedly come back to bite you on the arse in future repairs, even if you did get it working. .. Other than those options I would dumpster it or put an HDTV in the cabinet and make it a conversation piece for your rec room. "Bob in Phx" wrote in ... any thing at all would help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bob in phx "Keith Stelter" wrote in message ... I think that I remember seeing some of those at an operators place in South Bend, Indiana back in the late 80's. I wanna say that they had RCA laser disc players in them and not VCR's, but I could be wrong. The place is out of business now or I could have checked it out. I might be able to find the guy's name and home number and give him a call, but don't hold your breath. "Phil" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 11:37 am, "Bob in Phx" wrote: More info... there is also a pal decoder board and the amp (solid state) was made in England. So, I am guessing that it was some sort of import that used a pal vcr deck..... Bob in phx. "Ken In Texas" wrote in ... Dang John...what juke have you not saw I know ive never saw or heard of anything like that one Id like to see that think work John Robertson wrote: Post some pictures of the logic board - I might have seen this before, but am not certain. John :-#)# Bob in Phx wrote: sorry, forgot the JPG extension... please try these!!!!!!!!! thanks in advance. http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke1.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke2.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke3.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke4.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke5.JPG http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke6.JPG "Bob in Phx" wrote in message ... ill fix it !!!!!! bob "Ken In Texas" wrote in message ... me either Speshul When Lit wrote: none of these pics work for me "Bob in Phx" wrote in message news I friend of mine has delivered to me, a "video & Sound" jukebox made in Amity NY. This thing is over 6 foot tall, contains a 25 inch rca Television, coin door and a computer. first off does anyone have any idea where I could find any information about the company, or the system. The jukebox is missing the playback VCR's and the speakers. From the plugs in the rear of the box, it appears that the VCR's used some sort of 25 pin control system, like I have never seen before. I'll be posting pics asap he http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke1 http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke2 http://members.cox.net/rbelisle1/juke3 thanks in advance for any information -- Ken In Texas http://www.pinballrebel.com Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's "Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you on his own. If he ain't, no need to embarrass him." -- Ken In Texas http://www.pinballrebel.com Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's "Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you on his own. If he ain't, no need to embarrass him."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nope... Not made in England.... Made in Amityville Long Island, NY (the place where the "house" attacked those people)... The factory for this thing was right down off of Sunrise Highway (Rt 27) and Route 110.... |
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