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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:41:50 -0700, Anka wrote:
Uhhhh... Bill Fordler? Have you developed a speech impediment? My wife is a speech therapist. I'll see if she can squeeze you in. You may have to wait a bit. Is that OK? You don't have to talk out loud. Just type with your keyboard. Seems you've developed a memory problem too. "Bill Fordler" was a sockpuppet I used, how many years ago now was it?, five or six, I think. People here, including your buddy in publishing, have used them as well for equally nefarious purposes. Have you? -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... "Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:06:46 -0400, "Ukraina Dvi" wrote: Genetics has more to do with your health issues than all the stuff you eat. If you have good genetics, you can pretty much eat anything and get away with it. The problem of course is that nobody knows if they have the kind of genetics that will prevent heart disease and cancer no matter how poorly you eat or otherwise take care of yourself. Family history is only an indication, not a guarantee. And besides lifestyle and genetics, there's also luck. Your body can do a great job in neutralizing threats from carcinogens, pathogens, and so on 99.999 percent of the time, but if your immune system is weakened by a cold or flu or stress or whatever, you happen to be exposed to the right (or wrong) carcinogen, and those early cancerous cells aren't contained by your natural defenses, well, you're unlucky. That's why people with no family history of cancer or heart disease can get them. This is the main reason to eat healthy food, exercise, avoid smoke, all the rest. Keeps your immune system strong. Eat celery and grain all your life and a piano falls on you at age 45, after faithfully having abstained from fully-loaded pizzas, overstuffed Quiznos, Philly cheesesteaks, and gourmet French cooking. At least you'll fit in your recycled wood fiber coffin. Twenty years beyond 45, I've still got plenty of juicy foods I haven't tried yet. Next? Lobster rolls with hollandaise sauce. I'm getting healthier and healthier every day, due to diet and exercise. I'm going to live to a ripe old age and die of nothing. Me, too. Plenty of exercise and apparently good genes, but I'm sticking with an "open" diet along with the occasional cigar and some full bodied beer. During our latest 100 degree-high humidity spell, I noticed a piece on the local news with some 40-year old golfers sitting in their cart describing their hard time in the heat and some kiddies sweating at the local pool. Meanwhile, our well-conditioned 65-75 year old tournament softball team had just finished playing three back-to-back games to reach the finals. The TV assignment editor missed a more interesting story. Bruce |
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"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message Mickey Mantle near the end of his life said if he knew he would have lived as long as he did, he would have taken better care of himself. There are lots of Mickey Mantles out there... Though he had a family history that made him even more predisposed to live just for the moment. They populate Wal-Marts, MacDonalds etc. Gees I remember when I was a kid, fat people were a minority, now they are the majority, and the super obese are quite common. I have seen people that must have weighed over 300 kilos whisking around on electric scooters, because apparently they got too fat to even walk anymore. Thank you high fructose corn syrup, lots of adverts on the TeeVee, and just plain lack of desire to live long enough to be a pain for your Grandchildren and even Great Grandchildren. |
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I must have missed the desire to have a sockpuppet disease here. It seems
like lots of people feel a need at one time or another to create a new personality. I personally find it hard enough to be my own damned good self, why the hell would I want to be some other mentality? :}~ |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:12:59 -0400, Ukraina Dvi wrote:
I must have missed the desire to have a sockpuppet disease here. It seems like lots of people feel a need at one time or another to create a new personality. I personally find it hard enough to be my own damned good self, why the hell would I want to be some other mentality? :}~ Sock-puppets, though, are so easily identified. The same personality defects which make their other alter-ego's plonk-fodder, make the puppets same. I have a theory that they're all actually the same one, but I guess it's probably more accurate to consider them all just safely interchangable. |
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"Dave Hinz" wrote in message Sock-puppets, though, are so easily identified. The same personality defects which make their other alter-ego's plonk-fodder, make the puppets same. I have a theory that they're all actually the same one, but I guess it's probably more accurate to consider them all just safely interchangable. Gees, I wonder what Freud would have thought of newsgroup sockpuppets? Gees, there could be some misbegotten asexual torment behind them. ;} |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:12:59 -0400, "Ukraina Dvi"
wrote: I must have missed the desire to have a sockpuppet disease here. It seems like lots of people feel a need at one time or another to create a new personality. I personally find it hard enough to be my own damned good self, why the hell would I want to be some other mentality? :}~ There are beneficial purposes for sockpuppets, or alternative identities online. It's all been discussed many times, but worth repeating. Say you have a communicable disease, public knowledge of which could potentially make things difficult for your work life or whatever, and you feel you could benefit from sharing experiences with others who have the same. Sockpuppet. Say you need advice about a legal issue, whether or not for instance you should whistleblow at your job, and you don't want to risk exposing your intentions prematurely. Sockpuppet. Say you want to talk freely about politics, religion, or similar topics without worrying about possible repercussions at work. Sockpuppet. Say you're a victim of spousal abuse and want to meet others who have also experienced the same without risking intensified abuse at home. Sockpuppet. Those are positive uses. Cloaking your identity can take on a sinister hue if you create more than one to verbally attack others or talk with or defend yourself. I engaged in this here by using three different sockpuppets over a period of about six days something like six years ago to defend myself against a seemingly unending series of fairly outrageous lies by one particular poster. I sort of divided myself into fourths to defend and praise myself. Lame. One poster here used a sockpuppet that was based on my name to engage in a month-long attack against me, much along the lines of what DeMayo has been doing with his real name for years. He tried to sabotage every thread I was in with petty carping, picayune criticisms, and so on, unrelated to the subject matter of the thread. When I finally figured out who he was and outed him, he said what he was doing was art, parody. Cowardly. Another poster did something similar, though in his case he didn't try to rationalize away what he did when he was outed but just stopped doing it. Another thing I did in the past was devise alternative personalities online for myself as creative exercises. Unlike the sockpuppet episodes I've described above, there was no belligerence involved in any of this, just a stepping into the shoes of a fictional character to have fun, not at the expense of anyone else. One time I played a wisdom-spewing dog, offering doggy aphorisms that people seemed to enjoy. Another time I played an obese Nigerian woman in this country to study who was head over very thick heals in love with a very good friend of mine, since deceased, who at first had no idea that this persona was fictional. He caught on eventually, and we had a good laugh about it the next time we saw each other in person. It stopped after that, after I knew he had caught on. I haven't done any of this since the Bill Fordler et al. episode, realizing the risk that this could too easily be done for the wrong reasons. But sockpuppeting is a very common phenomenon online, and not of course just on Usenet. One of the most publicized images of it, and the most nefarious, is an adult predator posing as a child to lure a child into an in-person meeting. Another use, no doubt much more common, is in online dating circumstances in which people pretend to be who they really want to be. I never really understood why people do this because any in-person meeting would be guaranteed to be a disaster, unless the other person had lied, or exaggerated, in the same kind of way. Pop psychologist Dr. Joyce Brothers told me in a 1994 telephone interview, "There is no truth testing online. No one verifies that you are who you say you are." Peter Steiner wrote in a famous 1993 New Yorker cartoon, which portrayed a dog typing at a computer, "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog." -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:12:59 -0400, "Ukraina Dvi" wrote: I must have missed the desire to have a sockpuppet disease here. It seems like lots of people feel a need at one time or another to create a new personality. I personally find it hard enough to be my own damned good self, why the hell would I want to be some other mentality? :}~ There are beneficial purposes for sockpuppets, or alternative identities online. It's all been discussed many times, but worth repeating. Say you have a communicable disease, public knowledge of which could potentially make things difficult for your work life or whatever, and you feel you could benefit from sharing experiences with others who have the same. Sockpuppet. Say you need advice about a legal issue, whether or not for instance you should whistleblow at your job, and you don't want to risk exposing your intentions prematurely. Sockpuppet. Say you want to talk freely about politics, religion, or similar topics without worrying about possible repercussions at work. Sockpuppet. Say you're a victim of spousal abuse and want to meet others who have also experienced the same without risking intensified abuse at home. Sockpuppet. Those are positive uses. Those aren't examples of sock puppets. I've never used any nym but "Honus" in something like ten years of Usenet activity; your definition would include me. Here's Wikipedia's explanation, which is what I've always thought the term to mean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet "A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.[1] In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one's self, allies or company."[2] The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym is the pretence that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer." I'm not upset, but around my corner of Usenet being called a sock puppet is an insult. I'm merely anonymous. Cloaking your identity can take on a sinister hue if you create more than one to verbally attack others or talk with or defend yourself. I engaged in this here by using three different sockpuppets over a period of about six days something like six years ago to defend myself against a seemingly unending series of fairly outrageous lies by one particular poster. I sort of divided myself into fourths to defend and praise myself. Lame. And that of course is correct. Your definition (I believe) is just a bit broad. |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:56:21 GMT, "Honus" .
wrote: Your definition (I believe) is just a bit broad. You're right. "Sockpuppet" and "handle" aren't synonymous, though the former is included in the larger category of the latter. I should have used the word "handle," or "pseudonym," for much of this. Though if you want to further differentiate, "handle" and "pseudonym" aren't always synonymous either. -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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