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Reid Goldsborough wrote:
Rather than protract the discussion by dissecting peripherals, allow me to come close to the key problem: RG Writing as a medium of tyranny. More contrarian bologna. Well, it is not my idea. Deborah Tarn Steiner is the author of THE TYRANT'S WRIT. See for instance: Deborah Tarn Steiner is Associate Professor of Classics at Columbia University. She is the author of The Crown of Song: Metaphor in Pindar, and The Tyrant's Writ: Myths and Images of Writing in Ancient Greece (Princeton). http://pup.princeton.edu/titles/7162.html with another write-up of Steiner's recent works at: http://www.virginia.edu/topnews/rele...t-16-2001.html and a review of her book by classics professor Hillary Susan Mackie referenced at: Hilary Mackie, "Deborah Tarn Steiner, The Tyrant's Writ: Myths and Images of Writing in Ancient Greece," Mythosphere, 1 (1997). Book Review http://dacnet.rice.edu/Faculty/?FDSID=673 And the book referenced for a class called INSCRIPTIONS AND THEIR READERS at the University of California Santa Cruz: http://humwww.ucsc.edu/classics/hedrick/epigraphy.html Basically, the theme here is that writing, tyranny, coinage, the hoplite formation, and more, all of it was a matrix in the 8th and 7th centuries BC. Coins, as semata, were part of the writing revolution. Tyrants used coins to pay mercenaries. You should do more reading and less glomming. Michael "Ancient coins show: they knew it was round" |
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Reid wrote:
"Of course individualism and democracy were appreciated in Athens!. But they weren't regarded as we regard these concepts TODAY. It's taken more than two thousand years for what the ancient Greeks first experimented with to evolve into the beliefs and practices of 21st century America." You're hilarious. Anka ---- a laff riot, in fact |
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Ankaaz wrote:
Reid wrote: "Of course individualism and democracy were appreciated in Athens!. But they weren't regarded as we regard these concepts TODAY. It's taken more than two thousand years for what the ancient Greeks first experimented with to evolve into the beliefs and practices of 21st century America." You're hilarious. Anka ---- a laff riot, in fact Democracy was widely feared in Athens. It was not a 'preferred governmental form', it was just a step shy of anarchy. Read Plato's "Republic". Search for greek utopias and you'll find benevolent dictatorships, enlightened despots. Athens brief descent into democracy was held up for most of the two thousand years since as a cautionary tale, "how not to run a city". Social Darwinism is a fairly dead concept, Reid. And evolution leading to 'more perfect forms' or having direction is simply flat wrong. American government owes far more to the Enlightment than to the 'Golden Age of Greece'. Read the American State Papers, the Federalist papers. Forget what they taught in high school Western Civ. classes. It was mostly a convenient way to tie a text book together. HTH. Alan 'one deme's dime is another's denarius' |
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[Reid Goldsborough's opinions about the relationship between tyranny
and writing been recorded. This is my post; therefore, only I can request that it be "nuked" from Google's Archives. Michael "Advocate for History" Marotta] From: Reid Goldsborough ) Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins Date: 2004-03-24 22:59:02 PST Reid Goldsborough wrote in message . .. On 23 Mar 2004 16:56:40 -0800, (Michael E. Marotta) wrote: RG Writing as a medium of tyranny. More contrarian bologna. Well, it is not my idea. That this wasn't your idea makes it a great deal more plausible, but it's still a ridiculous concept, at least the way you presented it. I strongly suspect though that the rendering of this subject by the authors you cited was a great deal less simplistic than yours. Of course writing can be used to further tyranny. But your blanket statement that writing is the medium for tyranny is no less absurd than cars are the instruments of death or blue-eyed people are Nazis. And please lose this equally ridiculous, and *continued,* implication that you're the only one who reads history. You made the same mistake in your Alexander the Great article, a mistake that had disastrous results for you. You read very selectively and with an agenda, and you make these grand extrapolations that have little or no logical, historical, or numismatic support. Then you present your contrarian, "paradigm-smashing" flakiness as blanket statements, as if they're written-in-stone truth. And now you're not saying that writing AND coins were instruments of tyranny. It's too funny. But hardly worth even this effort talking to you about it. |
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Reid wrote of Michael: "You read very selectively and with an agenda...."
This is ludicrous, even coming from you. Michael is a voracious reader. He also has a photographic memory, so it's not surprising that his knowledge of history, especially ancient history, is amazing. Not only can he very quickly retrieve the most arcane of -facts- from that data warehouse of his, he is able to synthesize those facts into constructs, relationships and (yes!) extrapolated, paradigm-smashing opinions. Contrast his method of operation with yours, Reid. What was it you did when you researched James I/VI? Thumbed through a dictionary, I believe... Anka ---- used to love to watch Mike THINK |
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Michael E. Marotta wrote:
"Matt Dubey and Harold Karr to the contrary notwithstanding, Alphonse, working with you was an ennobling experience. You are patient, determined, and meticulous. And you lug heavy books long distances! Who could ask for more in a collaborator? That IHOP on I-40 will be the Aswan of the New World to future generations of Alexander worshippers." Ah, yes... I remember it well... Anka ---- it was the Bob Evans on I-71 ;-) |
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