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Ebay is Unfair!
"Tony Cooper" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:12:44 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: "Tony Cooper" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:53:44 -0400, Padraic Brown wrote: A great deal of what I spend is for things that have no real value outside of personal desire. My cable internet bill, for example. Can you justify paying for your cable bill? I rather think he just did: it's a matter of personal desire. He wants to watch Coronation Street reruns, I'm in the US, and BBCAmerica hasn't carried _Coronation Street_. I saw a few episodes on our PBS channel, but they were so old that "Sally Webster" was still playing with Sindy dolls. Think you mean Rosie. Sally is her mother. I meant Sally. We get very old shows here, if at all. Not THAT old. Sally was never in corrie as a child. Assumingly, she came in around the time Rosie was born...which would be about 15 years ago. You couldn't possibly be THAT far behind! l2oberto -- Tony Cooper Orlando, FL |
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Roberto Pirezzi wrote:
"Tony Cooper" wrote in message Think you mean Rosie. Sally is her mother. I meant Sally. We get very old shows here, if at all. Not THAT old. Sally was never in corrie as a child. Assumingly, she came in around the time Rosie was born...which would be about 15 years ago. You couldn't possibly be THAT far behind! l2oberto Sure we are. Queen Elizabeth is a young wife and mother over here. -- Joanne stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/ |
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Redneck Geekess wrote:
With great wailing and gnashing of teeth, Pogonip screamed: : Roberto Pirezzi wrote: : : "Tony Cooper" wrote in message : : : : Think you mean Rosie. Sally is her mother. : : : : : : : : : : I meant Sally. We get very old shows here, if at all. : : : : : : Not THAT old. Sally was never in corrie as a child. Assumingly, she : : came in around the time Rosie was born...which would be about 15 : : years ago. : : : : You couldn't possibly be THAT far behind! : : : : l2oberto : : : : : Sure we are. Queen Elizabeth is a young wife and mother over here. And John Inman is still alive and well.... Omigawd! I thought he was! -- Joanne stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/ |
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With great wailing and gnashing of teeth, Pogonip screamed:
: Roberto Pirezzi wrote: : : "Tony Cooper" wrote in message : : : : Think you mean Rosie. Sally is her mother. : : : : : : : : : : I meant Sally. We get very old shows here, if at all. : : : : : : Not THAT old. Sally was never in corrie as a child. Assumingly, she : : came in around the time Rosie was born...which would be about 15 : : years ago. : : : : You couldn't possibly be THAT far behind! : : : : l2oberto : : : : : Sure we are. Queen Elizabeth is a young wife and mother over here. And John Inman is still alive and well.... -- Rome wasn't built in a day. Nor was Dothan, Alabama. My hourly rates: $45 per hour. $65 per hour if you want to watch. $95 per hour if you want to help. $125 per hour if you tried to fix it and failed. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:40:52 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi"
wrote: "Tony Cooper" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:12:44 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: "Tony Cooper" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:53:44 -0400, Padraic Brown wrote: A great deal of what I spend is for things that have no real value outside of personal desire. My cable internet bill, for example. Can you justify paying for your cable bill? I rather think he just did: it's a matter of personal desire. He wants to watch Coronation Street reruns, I'm in the US, and BBCAmerica hasn't carried _Coronation Street_. I saw a few episodes on our PBS channel, but they were so old that "Sally Webster" was still playing with Sindy dolls. Think you mean Rosie. Sally is her mother. I meant Sally. We get very old shows here, if at all. Not THAT old. Sally was never in corrie as a child. Assumingly, she came in around the time Rosie was born...which would be about 15 years ago. You couldn't possibly be THAT far behind! Do look up "irony" next time you're near a dictionary. -- Tony Cooper Orlando, FL |
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With great wailing and gnashing of teeth, Pogonip screamed:
: Redneck Geekess wrote: : : With great wailing and gnashing of teeth, Pogonip screamed: : : : Roberto Pirezzi wrote: : : : : "Tony Cooper" wrote in message : : : : : : Think you mean Rosie. Sally is her mother. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : I meant Sally. We get very old shows here, if at all. : : : : : : : : : : : : Not THAT old. Sally was never in corrie as a child. Assumingly, : : : : she came in around the time Rosie was born...which would be : : : : about 15 years ago. : : : : : : : : You couldn't possibly be THAT far behind! : : : : : : : : l2oberto : : : : : : : : : : : Sure we are. Queen Elizabeth is a young wife and mother over : : : here. : : : : And John Inman is still alive and well.... : : : Omigawd! I thought he was! Yes, he passed on to his reward (and finally came out of the closet) last month. -- Rome wasn't built in a day. Nor was Dothan, Alabama. My hourly rates: $45 per hour. $65 per hour if you want to watch. $95 per hour if you want to help. $125 per hour if you tried to fix it and failed. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:54:47 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi"
wrote: "Tony Cooper" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:06:55 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: "Tony Cooper" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:13:02 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: However, it's often the case that you are buying an item that is unique or offered by only one seller and priced at £1 value and £19 shipping. In that case, you have to either decide to reward shady ethics or do without the item. It's quite possible many would do without the item, on the basis, uniqueness and general rareness generally has a certain expectation of "willing to pay more". Paying £1 suggests the item may not be up to decent standards. You are not paying £1; you are paying £20. The cost out-of-pocket is what you are paying. The allocation of the item figure and the shipping figure doesn't affect the buyer. *sigh* The item is priced at £1. It's ridiculous low price suggests it is below acceptable standard. Only to someone who refuses to reason out what's involved. The knowledgeable person understands that he will pay £20 total, and that how that £20 is arrived at between bid price and shipping makes no difference to him. The £1 figure means nothing to him. It means everything when you want a refund, and only get £1 back! Professional businesses cannot show profit on an item that is sold at a loss (or minimal profit is shown). Income from postage profit is a seperate income, and probabaly comes under service income... Nonsense. Income is income. It is separated on paper for the benefit of accounting purposes, but it all goes to bottom line. So, given we are skipping over accounting and just going for the basic approach that A - B = C. Accounting *is* "A-B=C". We just use some A1, A2, A3, B1, B2, B3, etc to get to the net of "C". Where does the refund of £1 on the cost of a £20 (£1 + £19) book fit in? Hard to imagine how a bottom line can be reached accuratley, if 100 books make your total bottom line of £2,000 and your total refunds as you were unfortunate enough to refund all sales is £100. It would also be difficult to get to the bottom line accurately if a wisdom of wombats ate your working papers. Both scenarios are equal in probability. The seller of the item in question puts £20 in his pocket when the sale is completed. The seller's financial records show the income as £20. If the seller paid £10 for the item, the P&L would reflect a £10 profit less his actual shipping cost. No, it would show £1 (£9) £19 (£3)¹ ¹ Where postal charges are £3. Yes. That's what I wrote. READ THIS CAREFULLY. The process of lumping all charges to 1 invoice wouldn't work for importing goods, as there is a exemption of VAT and Duty on products imported to the UK under £18. If I pay £1 for a DVD, this is £1 in value that is to be declared on the customs label, and needs to match the invoice. In the case of a £20 declared overall lump sum, I would be required to pay VAT (17.5% on the £20) plus VAT on the postage charge (actual, not the sellers version!) plus a fee of what used to be £4 to the royal mail for processing the item, this may be £8 now. Life is far too complicated for you in the UK. I suggest you emigrate immediately. Don't take your DVD player. It is only causing you grief. I dont think it matters how I make my point, as long as I am able to discredit the notion that overall price is cut and dry. The term is "cut and dried". The origin of the term is not known for sure, but probably refers to lumber having to be cut and dried before it is marketable. It may refer to tobacco, though, for the same reasons. It's really not as cut and dry as overall price. Yes, from the buyer's viewpoint, it is. See above! Also, it might be hard to justify paying £20 for something that has no real value outside of personal desire. A great deal of what I spend is for things that have no real value outside of personal desire. My cable internet bill, for example. Can you justify paying for your cable bill? Certainly. It satisfies my personal desire. That's the only justification I need. The internet may satisfy your personal desire...but can you justify paying for it? What I am asking, is whether you would STILL pay for it, if another provider offered you a better service? l2oberto -- Tony Cooper Orlando, FL -- Tony Cooper Orlando, FL |
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:54:47 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi"
wrote: "Tony Cooper" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:06:55 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: "Tony Cooper" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:13:02 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: However, it's often the case that you are buying an item that is unique or offered by only one seller and priced at £1 value and £19 shipping. In that case, you have to either decide to reward shady ethics or do without the item. It's quite possible many would do without the item, on the basis, uniqueness and general rareness generally has a certain expectation of "willing to pay more". Paying £1 suggests the item may not be up to decent standards. You are not paying £1; you are paying £20. The cost out-of-pocket is what you are paying. The allocation of the item figure and the shipping figure doesn't affect the buyer. *sigh* The item is priced at £1. It's ridiculous low price suggests it is below acceptable standard. Only to someone who refuses to reason out what's involved. The knowledgeable person understands that he will pay £20 total, and that how that £20 is arrived at between bid price and shipping makes no difference to him. The £1 figure means nothing to him. It means everything when you want a refund, and only get £1 back! You certainly have a point there! The lesson here, as it is with _any_ Ebay purchas, is to find out as much as possible about the seller and the item in question. Even with a reputable seller, it's always a crapshoot as to what you'll actually end up with. Professional businesses cannot show profit on an item that is sold at a loss (or minimal profit is shown). Income from postage profit is a seperate income, and probabaly comes under service income... Nonsense. Income is income. It is separated on paper for the benefit of accounting purposes, but it all goes to bottom line. So, given we are skipping over accounting and just going for the basic approach that A - B = C. Where does the refund of £1 on the cost of a £20 (£1 + £19) book fit in? If you're going to talk about refunds, now, then obviously that should be stated in the terms of the auction. Some sellers offer a _full_ refund (lot plus postage); others (most I think) offer a partial refund (lot price only). Some offer no refund at all (as is where is, buyer assumes all risks). This is where it pays to know the seller's refund policy. If his policy is to refund the lot price only, then you get £1 back if you don't like it! Hard to imagine how a bottom line can be reached accuratley, if 100 books make your total bottom line of £2,000 and your total refunds as you were unfortunate enough to refund all sales is £100. Income (£2,000) Minus all Income refunded (£100) = £1,900. Perhaps skipping over accounting was a mistake! The bottom line for that seller is £1900 pounds. What's so hard to understand about that? If it costs him less than that to stock his auctions and pay all other associated costs, then he comes out ahead. The seller of the item in question puts £20 in his pocket when the sale is completed. The seller's financial records show the income as £20. If the seller paid £10 for the item, the P&L would reflect a £10 profit less his actual shipping cost. No, it would show £1 (£9) £19 (£3)¹ ¹ Where postal charges are £3. OK, then his pocketed income is £16 (less whatever the item originall cost him). So what? The principle applies to restaurant bills where service income is shown seperatley as gratuity: MEAL: £35 DRINK: £18 SUB TOTAL: £53 GRATUITY £5.30 (@10%) TOTAL: £58.30 VAT breakdown may also be shown - and can be even more complex. It's the same as paying 1p for litre of Diesel, and being charged by an attendant 94.9p a litre to fill it. Customer cannot be given an accurate invoice. (for example, some people can claim VAT and other taxes back). VAT on 1p? lol I'm an American and I don't know how VAT works (but I have paid it on items I've purchased when in the UK). If VAT is charged on labor, and if it's charged at the same rate as it is on petrol, the VAT collected would be the same as if the fuel were priced at £1. Excise duty is collected product specific, i.e it is specific to fuel, not labour. READ THIS CAREFULLY. The process of lumping all charges to 1 invoice wouldn't work for importing goods, as there is a exemption of VAT and Duty on products imported to the UK under £18. If I pay £1 for a DVD, this is £1 in value that is to be declared on the customs label, and needs to match the invoice. In the case of a £20 declared overall lump sum, I would be required to pay VAT (17.5% on the £20) plus VAT on the postage charge (actual, not the sellers version!) plus a fee of what used to be £4 to the royal mail for processing the item, this may be £8 now. I dont think it matters how I make my point, as long as I am able to discredit the notion that overall price is cut and dry. I think you're making this _much_ more complex than it really is. This is an Ebay sale, not an import-export business, nor a retail sales business, not a restaurant. This is some bloke selling some trinkets (presumably worth ~£20) for £1 plus £19 postage. He gets his £20, the buyer gets his £20 trinket. End of story. It's really not as cut and dry as overall price. Yes, from the buyer's viewpoint, it is. See above! Yeah, see above! Without all the added complexities! Also, it might be hard to justify paying £20 for something that has no real value outside of personal desire. A great deal of what I spend is for things that have no real value outside of personal desire. My cable internet bill, for example. Can you justify paying for your cable bill? Certainly. It satisfies my personal desire. That's the only justification I need. The internet may satisfy your personal desire...but can you justify paying for it? He just did! It satisfies his personal desire! What I am asking, is whether you would STILL pay for it, if another provider offered you a better service? What's the price? Is it 20x what he is paying now or half the price? It _all_ comes down to final price for value received. Whether it's restaurant food, petrol, books, cable tv or a coin bought on Ebay. If the amount of money spent is deemed to be "about right" for the item, then the deal is good. Doesn't matter what the seller's breakdown is. Padraic -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Redneck Geekess wrote:
With great wailing and gnashing of teeth, Pogonip screamed: : Redneck Geekess wrote: : : With great wailing and gnashing of teeth, Pogonip screamed: : : : Roberto Pirezzi wrote: : : : : "Tony Cooper" wrote in message : : : : : : Think you mean Rosie. Sally is her mother. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : I meant Sally. We get very old shows here, if at all. : : : : : : : : : : : : Not THAT old. Sally was never in corrie as a child. Assumingly, : : : : she came in around the time Rosie was born...which would be : : : : about 15 years ago. : : : : : : : : You couldn't possibly be THAT far behind! : : : : : : : : l2oberto : : : : : : : : : : : Sure we are. Queen Elizabeth is a young wife and mother over : : : here. : : : : And John Inman is still alive and well.... : : : Omigawd! I thought he was! Yes, he passed on to his reward (and finally came out of the closet) last month. I lurved him. Still do. -- Joanne stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/ |
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With great wailing and gnashing of teeth, Pogonip screamed:
: Redneck Geekess wrote: : : With great wailing and gnashing of teeth, Pogonip screamed: : : : Redneck Geekess wrote: : : : : With great wailing and gnashing of teeth, Pogonip screamed: : : : : : Roberto Pirezzi wrote: : : : : : : "Tony Cooper" wrote in : : : : : : message : : : : : : : : Think you mean Rosie. Sally is her mother. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : I meant Sally. We get very old shows here, if at all. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Not THAT old. Sally was never in corrie as a child. : : : : : : Assumingly, she came in around the time Rosie was : : : : : : born...which would be about 15 years ago. : : : : : : : : : : : : You couldn't possibly be THAT far behind! : : : : : : : : : : : : l2oberto : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Sure we are. Queen Elizabeth is a young wife and mother over : : : : : here. : : : : : : : : And John Inman is still alive and well.... : : : : : : : : : Omigawd! I thought he was! : : : : Yes, he passed on to his reward (and finally came out of the closet) : : last month. : : : : : : I lurved him. Still do. /aol Me, too. Enjoyed his works greatly, the ones I've seen... -- Rome wasn't built in a day. Nor was Dothan, Alabama. My hourly rates: $45 per hour. $65 per hour if you want to watch. $95 per hour if you want to help. $125 per hour if you tried to fix it and failed. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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