Red Book and Anthony Dollar oddity?

So for the 1979s, Type I is a filled S and Type II is a clear S? And
for the 1981s, Type I is really a clear S and the Type II is a "flat" S?

Scott R.


dondi3 wrote:
"M. Scott Reynolds" wrote in message news:soQVc.93937$Oi.15256@fed1read04...

Yea (!), I've been looking at what it would "cost" me to fill those
holes in my Intercept Shield album and they start at $150 and go up from
there for the SBAs. I'm going to have to start saving up for them...

Scott R.


Phil Barnhart wrote:

In (a weak) defense of Red Book, the Type 2 mint marks actually appear
on ALL proof coins of 79 and 81. Given the lack of SBA strike
rareties, the T2 mint mark seems to be collectible in SBAs. They are
rarer in SBAs than in the other proofs - but in fact what the red book
is illustrating the the "appearance" of the mint mark itself - wich
since it came from the same punch will be identical on all coins -
cents, nickels, quarters, halves, and SBAs.


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Having handled over 400 type II 1981 SBAs and several thousand of the
other denominations, I don't recall very many sets with just the SBA
type 2, but I have seen some, I know...just can't recall over half a
dozen or so. By the way, it is possible to carefully open and insert
type II coins to replace type I coins into these sets with minimal
damage to the seam in the case. That's the reason I do NOT recommend
paying a premium for complete 1981 sets...they're too easily
"manufactured".

Prosepective purchasers should also be aware that many dealers still
put up for sale type one SBAs and charge type 2 prices...many of them
do not know the difference since the Redbook for years erroneously
referred to the type II as the "clear S variety".

Currently, 1981 type 2 SBAs are around $220 and 1979s are $99.99
(special). Complete 1979 Type 2 gov't packaged sets are $115
(special, if you mention RCC). I also have all other denominations in
1979 & 1981, if anyone is interested. Above prices are delivered.

Dondi3

"M. Scott Reynolds" wrote in message news:L6YVc.98092$Oi.136@fed1read04...
So for the 1979s, Type I is a filled S and Type II is a clear S? And
for the 1981s, Type I is really a clear S and the Type II is a "flat" S?

Scott R.

The 1981 type 1 "S" IS actually the 1979 type 2 "S" There are only 3
mintmarks involved in the 4 dates/types. That is why the nomenclature
the Redbook used for the 1981 confused so many for so long. ALL 1981
MMs are "clear". NONE are "filled" as the 1979 type 1 was. The
difference between
the type 1 & type 2 in 1981 is the SHAPE of the mm and has nothing
whatsoever to do with "clarity".

dondi3

"M. Scott Reynolds" wrote in message news:_LXVc.97728$Oi.60065@fed1read04...
I've got the 2005 paperback edition of the Red Book. For the SBAs, it
has three pictures with captions of:

1) 1979S Filled S (Type I)
2) 1979S Clear S (Type II rounded), 1981S First S (Type I, rounded)
3) 1981S Clear S (Type II, flat)

The pictures look like they are black and whites of 1979 Lincoln cents,
not SBAs!

Something else to note is that the only place "Type I" and "Type II" is
mentioned is in the above captions. For the cent, nickel, dime,
quarter, and half listings, it just refers to the 1979s as "Filled S"
and "Clear S", with the cents being the only ones that have a 1981
"Filled S" and "Clear S". No pictures either.

Scott R.

I'm using the 2004 hardback edition and the same captions appear in
the SBA section, but the pictures do not show enough to determine what
coin they're
using. There are no other details on any of the photos except the mm
area.

The cents in my edition, carry the same information, again, of course,
we know
there were no "filled S" mms on any of the 1981 proof coins...

dondi3

Check this website it explain the 2 types with pictures.
http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/1...1981STypes.htm

--
Yousri Ahmad
ANA # R-210745
WBCC member #171
World Mints: http://yousriahmad.com


"M. Scott Reynolds" wrote in message
news:bxzVc.83045$Oi.16387@fed1read04...
On page 199 of the 58th "Official Red Book", it has 3 pictures showing
the date of the 1979 S Type I, 1979 S Type II, and 1981 S Type II, and
the difference between the S mint mark. What is odd is that I've never
seen an SBA dollar with the date in the position in these pictures. The
pictures show the date off to the lower right above the shoulder with
the S mint mark right below the date, instead of the date at the bottom
right above the rim, and the mint mark above the left shoulder, like all
SBAs I've seen. Is there a version of the SBA that fits this
description? Or are they using pictures of another coin to show their
point, and if so, what coin is it (The only 1979 coins I've seen with
the date in that position is the Lincoln cent, but it's the wrong color!).

Anyone know what's going on here?

Scott R.

The nomenclature used in the Red Book is misleading. The correct definition of
a filled die is that the design element is missing from the coin because dirt
and grease filled the cavity. So much for the Type I "blob" S, which appears as
a weak S atop a rectangular base.. The Type II 1979-S proof mintmark on all
six coins and the type I 1981-S mintmark have two "perfect circle" loops. The
lower loop of the Type II 1981-S mintmark is still a perfect circle, but the
upper loop is elongated and flat at the top. This is not easy to see unless
you are using a 10X magnifier.
Alan Herbert
The AnswerMan

Interesting, thanks for the info!

Scott R.

Yousri Ahmad wrote:
Check this website it explain the 2 types with pictures.
http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/1...1981STypes.htm