A note from Jørgen Jørgensen regarding Mette's site

I am allowed to inform you what Jørgen Jørgensen wrote to Victor Manta
in a mail to him about one hour ago:

"Dear Victor Manta.

Thanks for your kind reminder!

It is not the first reminder that I receive - some members of DTA also
requests when they can expect the Heindorffhus website accessible
again.

Nothing has changed since my mail to you dated April 5. I can only
regret that, but the problem is at the "to do list" of the DTA is
long. I will now make sure that this task is given a higher priority.

To me it is very important that DTA fulfills our agreement with Mette
and that her site as a whole as soon as possible again will be
accessible through motivsamler.dk

I am not able to set any deadlines or exact dates where the site again
will be active. In my discussions with Mette it was not the timeframe
that concerned her, what was important to her was that the whole
Heindorffshus was kept together as one site.

The ownership of the Heindorffhus.dk site - according to my agreement
with Mette - were transferred to DTA with effect from her death. This
means that DTA can not accept that any impatient exhibitor/user on own
initiative publish the site or part of it without the acceptance from
DTA.

Best regards

Jørgen Jørgensen
President of Danish Thematic Association.

----------------------------

--
Mvh Toke

Har du spurgt dit bibliotek om de har
min bog om postfolk 1624-1927 (1983)?:
http://www.norbyhus.dk/DDPE/

"Toke Nørby" wrote in message
news
I am allowed to inform you what Jørgen Jørgensen wrote to Victor Manta
in a mail to him about one hour ago:

"Dear Victor Manta.

Thanks for your kind reminder!

It is not the first reminder that I receive - some members of DTA also
requests when they can expect the Heindorffhus website accessible
again.

Nothing has changed since my mail to you dated April 5. I can only
regret that, but the problem is at the "to do list" of the DTA is
long. I will now make sure that this task is given a higher priority.

To me it is very important that DTA fulfills our agreement with Mette
and that her site as a whole as soon as possible again will be
accessible through motivsamler.dk

I am not able to set any deadlines or exact dates where the site again
will be active. In my discussions with Mette it was not the timeframe
that concerned her, what was important to her was that the whole
Heindorffshus was kept together as one site.

The ownership of the Heindorffhus.dk site - according to my agreement
with Mette - were transferred to DTA with effect from her death. This
means that DTA can not accept that any impatient exhibitor/user on own
initiative publish the site or part of it without the acceptance from
DTA.

Best regards

Jørgen Jørgensen
President of Danish Thematic Association.

----------------------------

--
Mvh Toke

Thank you, Toke.

Yes, I agree with Jørgen that Mette's primary concern and wish was to have
all her work kept together; at no time in our conversations or
correspondence were timeframes mentioned. I have written to Jørgen that I
have a complete copy of all her work and that I would happily provide any
file which might accidentally prove missing or corrupted although I believe
that Mette forwarded to Jørgen one of the two CDs of her work that I burnt
for her at her request.

It is important to remember that a few months prior to the end Mette's
computer gave up the ghost. Unfortunately - and this was a lesson
well-learnt for me - Mette did not have a hard copy of all her userids and
passwords (I now do); they were all in a file in her computer. When Mette
asked me to make her a copy of all her files, I could not enter her server
and ftp everything in one fell swoop (she didn't know the password that was
set to 'automatic' in her machine), I had to load and download each page
individually. So, to give people interested in timeframes an idea what
Jørgen's work and timeframes will involve:

I have been working on Mette's Albuisson pages - short opus by comparison -
and due to Mette's method of sub- and sub-sub-directoring I find that every
link has to be retargetted and/or each sub-directory has to be recreated -
just clicking a link produces no result. I find it quite a job just for the
Albuisson opus so I can imagine what it will be like for the rest of her
voluminous output. I have tried using macros in my Dreamweaver but it
wouldn't bite - the sub-directoring and/or retargetting has to be done
manually and individually.

Toke, I have corresponded with Jørgen in the past and have found him a man
of his word. Now that I read his email I feel even more assured that the
work will indeed be done - as Mette told me, by an organization - and that
it's just a matter of time and scheduling. I am not a member of DTE
management and therefore in no position to dictate what projects the
organization works on or what timeframes to set. I just possess my soul in
patience and wait anxiously like everyone else.
--
Tony Vella
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada -- http://www.amedialuz.ca/

"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
...
"Tony Vella" found these unused words:

"Toke Nørby" wrote in message
news
I am allowed to inform you what Jørgen Jørgensen wrote to Victor Manta
in a mail to him about one hour ago:

"Dear Victor Manta.

Thanks for your kind reminder!

It is not the first reminder that I receive - some members of DTA also
requests when they can expect the Heindorffhus website accessible
again.

Nothing has changed since my mail to you dated April 5. I can only
regret that, but the problem is at the "to do list" of the DTA is
long. I will now make sure that this task is given a higher priority.

To me it is very important that DTA fulfills our agreement with Mette
and that her site as a whole as soon as possible again will be
accessible through motivsamler.dk

I am not able to set any deadlines or exact dates where the site again
will be active. In my discussions with Mette it was not the timeframe
that concerned her, what was important to her was that the whole
Heindorffshus was kept together as one site.

The ownership of the Heindorffhus.dk site - according to my agreement
with Mette - were transferred to DTA with effect from her death. This
means that DTA can not accept that any impatient exhibitor/user on own
initiative publish the site or part of it without the acceptance from
DTA.

Best regards

Jørgen Jørgensen
President of Danish Thematic Association.

----------------------------

--
Mvh Toke

Thank you, Toke.

Yes, I agree with Jørgen that Mette's primary concern and wish was to have
all her work kept together; at no time in our conversations or
correspondence were timeframes mentioned. I have written to Jørgen that I
have a complete copy of all her work and that I would happily provide any
file which might accidentally prove missing or corrupted although I
believe
that Mette forwarded to Jørgen one of the two CDs of her work that I burnt
for her at her request.

It is important to remember that a few months prior to the end Mette's
computer gave up the ghost. Unfortunately - and this was a lesson
well-learnt for me - Mette did not have a hard copy of all her userids and
passwords (I now do); they were all in a file in her computer. When Mette
asked me to make her a copy of all her files, I could not enter her server
and ftp everything in one fell swoop (she didn't know the password that
was
set to 'automatic' in her machine), I had to load and download each page
individually. So, to give people interested in timeframes an idea what
Jørgen's work and timeframes will involve:

I have been working on Mette's Albuisson pages - short opus by
comparison -
and due to Mette's method of sub- and sub-sub-directoring I find that
every
link has to be retargetted and/or each sub-directory has to be recreated -
just clicking a link produces no result. I find it quite a job just for
the
Albuisson opus so I can imagine what it will be like for the rest of her
voluminous output. I have tried using macros in my Dreamweaver but it
wouldn't bite - the sub-directoring and/or retargetting has to be done
manually and individually.

Toke, I have corresponded with Jørgen in the past and have found him a
man
of his word. Now that I read his email I feel even more assured that the
work will indeed be done - as Mette told me, by an organization - and
that
it's just a matter of time and scheduling. I am not a member of DTE
management and therefore in no position to dictate what projects the
organization works on or what timeframes to set. I just possess my soul
in
patience and wait anxiously like everyone else.

Tony, Toke & Jørgen ...

There are several free web tools that will 'crawl' a site [even one on the
home machine] and report broken links.

When you get close to completion, try one to find the 'missing'.

I've migrated several sites and it is hard work. Most editors, however,
have
a "search and replace" function. You should be able to correct the part
strings needing migration with this.

eg: http://www,mette.com/group/sub1/sub/ thispage.html. Using only the
directory portion[s] as above, you can quickly migrate all links on a
page.

I tried a crawler at the very beginning just to give myself an idea of
what's what. I got a loooong report saying:
dir. xxx does not exist - sub-dir. yyy does not exist - sub-sub-dir. zzz
does not exist
So, as you suggest, I shall wait until 'near completion' before I try again.
I also have to write myself a lot of notes if I'm not to screw things up
worse with the search and replace - old age setting in.

And, yes, it is tedious, but I have all the time in the world, I suppose,
because although I inherited the Albuisson pages there is nothing I can do
with them until I hear from Pierre. Mette tried numerous times to get hold
of Pierre A. but was no more successful than I have been. I see that he
has set up bilingual pages of his own - http://www.pierre-albuisson.com/ -
and probably he is quite satisfied with his new website. There is however a
lot of information about his work in Mette's pages which is not reflected in
his new website.
--
Tony Vella

"Toke Nørby" wrote in message
news
I am allowed to inform you what Jørgen Jørgensen wrote to Victor Manta
in a mail to him about one hour ago:

"Dear Victor Manta.
snip

Best regards

Jørgen Jørgensen
--
Mvh Toke

It is obvious that when Mr. Jørgensen has something to tell us, he can
anytime address this ng, either directly or through any person he wishes.
But I was astonished to read on this ng his e-mail message that was
addressed to me, this especially because it was an _answer_ to one of my
e-mails, and as such revealed things that I _privately_ wrote to Mr. Jørgen
Jørgensen.

Of course it is not Mr. Jørgensen to blame for such a faux pas, because we
know already that he isn't a regular Usenet user and as such cannot know its
basic rules.

It is not the same for Toke Nørby, a long time participant here, and
therefore his infantile cover-up "I am allowed to inform you etc." shouldn't
take in anybody.

In what concerns the contents of Mr. Jørgensen's e-mail message, I will deal
with it in a private e-mail to him.

--
Victor Manta

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:57:09 -0400, Tony Vella wrote:

it quite a job just for the Albuisson opus so I can imagine what it will
be like for the rest of her voluminous output. I have tried using
macros in my Dreamweaver but it wouldn't bite - the sub-directoring
and/or retargetting has to be done manually and individually.

In Linux one could do this sort of thing with a clever usage of the
program "wget". Please contact me offlist -- anyone -- who wants to work
on this sort of conversion that looks like it has to be done manually.

--
Joshua H. McGee
San Marino, Los Angeles, California, USA, Earth
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

"Tony Vella" wrote:


"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
.. .

....snip

Toke, I have corresponded with Jørgen in the past and have found him a
man
of his word. Now that I read his email I feel even more assured that the
work will indeed be done - as Mette told me, by an organization - and
that
it's just a matter of time and scheduling. I am not a member of DTE
management and therefore in no position to dictate what projects the
organization works on or what timeframes to set. I just possess my soul
in
patience and wait anxiously like everyone else.

Oh, yes. Jørgen has been my personal friend probably through about 20
years so I know him very well. I'm not a member either but his is also
a very skilled postal historian (Danish postal history)

Tony, Toke & Jørgen ...

There are several free web tools that will 'crawl' a site [even one on the
home machine] and report broken links.

When you get close to completion, try one to find the 'missing'.

I've migrated several sites and it is hard work. Most editors, however,
have
a "search and replace" function. You should be able to correct the part
strings needing migration with this.

eg: http://www,mette.com/group/sub1/sub/ thispage.html. Using only the
directory portion[s] as above, you can quickly migrate all links on a
page.

I tried a crawler at the very beginning just to give myself an idea of
what's what. I got a loooong report saying:
dir. xxx does not exist - sub-dir. yyy does not exist - sub-sub-dir. zzz
does not exist
So, as you suggest, I shall wait until 'near completion' before I try again.
I also have to write myself a lot of notes if I'm not to screw things up
worse with the search and replace - old age setting in.

And, yes, it is tedious, but I have all the time in the world, I suppose,
because although I inherited the Albuisson pages there is nothing I can do
with them until I hear from Pierre. Mette tried numerous times to get hold
of Pierre A. but was no more successful than I have been. I see that he
has set up bilingual pages of his own - http://www.pierre-albuisson.com/ -
and probably he is quite satisfied with his new website. There is however a
lot of information about his work in Mette's pages which is not reflected in
his new website.

I too used a web crawler when I was involved in the FIP web site
competition and at work I downloaded complete sites for later reading.
My line at work was many time faster than my line at home and I could
not judge the web sites while I was on my work. (Strange enough ;-)

I managed to download most but I surely remember the "xx does not
exist" message too.

Thanks HTH and Tony!
--
Mvh Toke

Har du spurgt dit bibliotek om de har
min bog om postfolk 1624-1927 (1983)?:
http://www.norbyhus.dk/DDPE/

Victor,

this surprised me as well! J.J. could have adddressed us all directly, and
if he wrote to you first, it was up to you to inform us and not Toke...

I still miss the point whether all Mette's sites are to be taken care of
by the Danish??? What about Slania or Albuisson???

I think it would be best to have the sites available to everybody
interested and NOT wait for an organisation to struggle with their
internal priorities first.....

I tend to publish when and whatever I can find soon and only subsequently
think about deleting them when the Danes have got them available at lontg
laaaaaaaast...

groetjes, Rein

Op Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:22:08 +0200 schreef Victor Manta
:

"Toke Nørby" wrote in message
news
I am allowed to inform you what Jørgen Jørgensen wrote to Victor Manta
in a mail to him about one hour ago:

"Dear Victor Manta.
snip

Best regards

Jørgen Jørgensen
--
Mvh Toke

It is obvious that when Mr. Jørgensen has something to tell us, he can
anytime address this ng, either directly or through any person he wishes.
But I was astonished to read on this ng his e-mail message that was
addressed to me, this especially because it was an _answer_ to one of my
e-mails, and as such revealed things that I _privately_ wrote to Mr.
Jørgen
Jørgensen.

Of course it is not Mr. Jørgensen to blame for such a faux pas, because
we
know already that he isn't a regular Usenet user and as such cannot know
its
basic rules.

It is not the same for Toke Nørby, a long time participant here, and
therefore his infantile cover-up "I am allowed to inform you etc."
shouldn't
take in anybody.

In what concerns the contents of Mr. Jørgensen's e-mail message, I will
deal
with it in a private e-mail to him.




--
Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma:
http://www.opera.com/mail/

Why so aggressive???

Nobody here wants to use or abuse the sites made by Mette for his/her own
dirty, tricky purposes, we just want them to be available as soon as
possible before the world forgets about Mette and her sites or will have
build their own sites - being inspired by Mette or not - so cool down!

We want Mette to be remembered by the ways of her work, that is all.

There are tons of philatelic research and publications hidden away in the
archives of philatelic organisations and publishers that NOONE will ever
see again and thus everybody will forget about them unless they are made
available electronically or otherwise... Copyright or privacy are the
greatest intellectual inventions of the last centuries to keep lawyers
employed and busy... For the big fish not the tiny eels like we are
discussing.

groetjes, Rein

Op Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:34:22 +0200 schreef Sir F. A. Rien
:

Rein found these unused words:

Victor,

this surprised me as well! J.J. could have adddressed us all directly,
and
if he wrote to you first, it was up to you to inform us and not Toke...

Considering both your and Victorr's attitude toward Mette's specifically
expressed desires, this little 'concern' is like P...ng in the wind! Just
falls back in your face as to your lack of respect for others.


I still miss the point whether all Mette's sites are to be taken care of
by the Danish??? What about Slania or Albuisson???

Ummm ... ASK for a clarification?

I think it would be best to have the sites available to everybody
interested and NOT wait for an organisation to struggle with their
internal priorities first.....

What you 'think' doesn't matter. What Mette WANTED is the story, the
whole
story and nothing but the story !!!

I tend to publish when and whatever I can find soon and only
subsequently
think about deleting them when the Danes have got them available at
lontg
laaaaaaaast...

Hope you have deep pockets should you be sued for copyright violation!

BTW ... I sent Mette some scans of stamps for HER use in the pages.

You DO NOT have permission to further use them!

groetjes, Rein

Op Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:22:08 +0200 schreef Victor Manta
:

"Toke Nørby" wrote in message
news I am allowed to inform you what Jørgen Jørgensen wrote to Victor Manta
in a mail to him about one hour ago:

"Dear Victor Manta.
snip

Best regards

Jørgen Jørgensen
--
Mvh Toke

It is obvious that when Mr. Jørgensen has something to tell us, he can
anytime address this ng, either directly or through any person he
wishes.
But I was astonished to read on this ng his e-mail message that was
addressed to me, this especially because it was an _answer_ to one of
my
e-mails, and as such revealed things that I _privately_ wrote to Mr.
Jørgen
Jørgensen.

Of course it is not Mr. Jørgensen to blame for such a faux pas, because
we
know already that he isn't a regular Usenet user and as such cannot
know
its
basic rules.

It is not the same for Toke Nørby, a long time participant here, and
therefore his infantile cover-up "I am allowed to inform you etc."
shouldn't
take in anybody.

In what concerns the contents of Mr. Jørgensen's e-mail message, I will
deal
with it in a private e-mail to him.





--
Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma:
http://www.opera.com/mail/

It is obvious who is not reading properly! I did not use the words "my
right" or something like that at all. Let alone "whine and cry". Your
overdrawn reaction makes you "laughable" indeeed....

Dobranoc! Rein

Op Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:47:13 +0200 schreef Sir F. A. Rien
:

Why so aggressive???
Simple, neither you nor Victor are listening [reading actually] !!!

It's been explained HOW Mette wanted things to be.

That's IT, PERIOD!

Now here you come and whine and cry about your 'rights' while being quite
willing to violate hers!

Can you not see just how laughable you two are?

In the west, there's a saying, "First you have to get the Mule's
attention -
a quick 2x4 aside the head often does it!"

We want Mette to be remembered by the ways of her work, that is all.
No, you want what YOU want, right now. The "ME" generation.

For the big fish not the tiny eels like we are discussing.
So, because she's an individual you're allowed to trample over her wishes
and ownership?

Thankfully, I don't think so! Copyright protects big and small. Prior to
that, the BIG fish just did what they wanted and stuff the 'little guy'.

How BIG are you?

Remember what I said about NOT using MY image scans even if you violate
Mette's copyright and put the pages up somewhere !



Rein found these unused words:

Why so aggressive???

Nobody here wants to use or abuse the sites made by Mette for his/her
own
dirty, tricky purposes, we just want them to be available as soon as
possible before the world forgets about Mette and her sites or will have
build their own sites - being inspired by Mette or not - so cool down!

We want Mette to be remembered by the ways of her work, that is all.

There are tons of philatelic research and publications hidden away in
the
archives of philatelic organisations and publishers that NOONE will ever
see again and thus everybody will forget about them unless they are made
available electronically or otherwise... Copyright or privacy are the
greatest intellectual inventions of the last centuries to keep lawyers
employed and busy... For the big fish not the tiny eels like we are
discussing.

groetjes, Rein

Op Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:34:22 +0200 schreef Sir F. A. Rien
:

Rein found these unused words:

Victor,

this surprised me as well! J.J. could have adddressed us all directly,
and
if he wrote to you first, it was up to you to inform us and not
Toke...

Considering both your and Victorr's attitude toward Mette's
specifically
expressed desires, this little 'concern' is like P...ng in the wind!
Just
falls back in your face as to your lack of respect for others.


I still miss the point whether all Mette's sites are to be taken care
of
by the Danish??? What about Slania or Albuisson???

Ummm ... ASK for a clarification?

I think it would be best to have the sites available to everybody
interested and NOT wait for an organisation to struggle with their
internal priorities first.....

What you 'think' doesn't matter. What Mette WANTED is the story, the
whole
story and nothing but the story !!!

I tend to publish when and whatever I can find soon and only
subsequently
think about deleting them when the Danes have got them available at
lontg
laaaaaaaast...

Hope you have deep pockets should you be sued for copyright violation!

BTW .. I sent Mette some scans of stamps for HER use in the pages.

You DO NOT have permission to further use them!

groetjes, Rein

Op Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:22:08 +0200 schreef Victor Manta
:

"Toke Nørby" wrote in message
news I am allowed to inform you what Jørgen Jørgensen wrote to Victor
Manta
in a mail to him about one hour ago:

"Dear Victor Manta.
snip

Best regards

Jørgen Jørgensen
--
Mvh Toke

It is obvious that when Mr. Jørgensen has something to tell us, he
can
anytime address this ng, either directly or through any person he
wishes.
But I was astonished to read on this ng his e-mail message that was
addressed to me, this especially because it was an _answer_ to one of
my
e-mails, and as such revealed things that I _privately_ wrote to Mr.
Jørgen
Jørgensen.

Of course it is not Mr. Jørgensen to blame for such a faux pas,
because
we
know already that he isn't a regular Usenet user and as such cannot
know
its
basic rules.

It is not the same for Toke Nørby, a long time participant here, and
therefore his infantile cover-up "I am allowed to inform you etc."
shouldn't
take in anybody.

In what concerns the contents of Mr. Jørgensen's e-mail message, I
will
deal
with it in a private e-mail to him.






--
Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma:
http://www.opera.com/mail/

Isn't Jørgen the only one to have the right to perform some "hard work" to
'get close to completion"....??

groetjes, Rein

Op Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:55:26 +0200 schreef Sir F. A. Rien
:


Tony, Toke & Jørgen ...

There are several free web tools that will 'crawl' a site [even one on
the home machine] and report broken links.

When you get close to completion, try one to find the 'missing'.

I've migrated several sites and it is hard work. Most editors, however,
have
a "search and replace" function. You should be able to correct the part
strings needing migration with this.

eg: http://www,mette.com/group/sub1/sub/ thispage.html. Using only
the directory portion[s] as above, you can quickly migrate all links on
a page.

HTH




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