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Ebay Pulled my ICCS coins!
Since when are Canadians subject to the rules of the American Numismatic
Association, which has admitted receiving money from American grading companies for "endorsements"? I live in Canada, and have had several of my ebay auctions pulled for "fraud" because my coins were graded by ICCS, not one of the 4 approved American grading companies. The cancel notice says I could be reported to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the American Numismatic Association. Will the mounties come and get me because I have violated the policies of a foreign organisation that I am not even a member of? Is it an indictable or summary offence? Or is ebay just full of ****? The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Counterfeit Currency and Stamps policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has been canceled. eBay does not permit the sale of coins or paper money that are fraudulent or improperly described or of slugs or tokens intended to be fraudulently used in substitution for a coin. Sellers who knowingly fail to disclose information about the authenticity of coins or paper money, alterations to coins or paper money, or other information that might have a material impact on the coin or paper money value may be reported to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the provincial police forces or the American Numismatic Association (ANA). When listing a certified coin, the coin must be certified by one of the following authorized grading companies: a.. Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC) b.. Numismatic Conservation Services (NCS) c.. Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) d.. Independent Coin Grading (ICG) e.. ANACS |
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Ebay Pulled my ICCS coins!
"L. HOULLEVICQUE" wrote in message ... Since when are Canadians subject to the rules of the American Numismatic Association, which has admitted receiving money from American grading companies for "endorsements"? I live in Canada, and have had several of my ebay auctions pulled for "fraud" because my coins were graded by ICCS, not one of the 4 approved American grading companies. The cancel notice says I could be reported to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the American Numismatic Association. Will the mounties come and get me because I have violated the policies of a foreign organisation that I am not even a member of? Is it an indictable or summary offence? Or is ebay just full of ****? Your non-membership in ANA is not germane to the case. It is your membership in eBay that is germane, and they are the ones who make the rules for listing. That said, the question you pose at the end of this first paragraph has been up for debate for quite some time on this newsgroup. Personally, although I am generally satisfied with eBay, it is my opinion that they are way off base with this policy regarding slabbed coins. I wish you the best of luck. James |
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Ebay Pulled my ICCS coins!
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:58:05 -0500, "L. HOULLEVICQUE"
wrote: Since when are Canadians subject to the rules of the American Numismatic Association, The pulling of your ads had nothing to do with the ANA or America in general. Your ads were in a private venue controlled by a private corporation who has set some rules that apply to that venue. which has admitted receiving money from American grading companies for "endorsements"? I live in Canada, and have had several of my ebay auctions pulled for "fraud" because my coins were graded by ICCS, Your ads were not pulled because the coins were graded by ICCS. They were pulled because you violated eBay's rules about the use and placement of terms and wording in your ads. You can list ICCS graded coins if you follow eBay's rules. Or is ebay just full of ****? In this case, yes. The rules were not thought out and show that the person/people who came up with the rule are not familiar with the world coin market. But, it's their ball and they can set the rules. I would imagine that ICCS is lobbying eBay to have their certification authorized by eBay. Whether or not this change is made, the buyers and sellers of coins will continue to recognize the authenticity of ICCS's grading service. -- Tony Cooper Orlando, FL |
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Ebay Pulled my ICCS coins!
Are there any of the Micro "o" counterfeit dollars listed and are they
slabbed by one of the approved slabbers? It would be interesting to see how ebay deal with them. Billy "L. HOULLEVICQUE" wrote in message ... Since when are Canadians subject to the rules of the American Numismatic Association, which has admitted receiving money from American grading companies for "endorsements"? I live in Canada, and have had several of my ebay auctions pulled for "fraud" because my coins were graded by ICCS, not one of the 4 approved American grading companies. The cancel notice says I could be reported to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the American Numismatic Association. Will the mounties come and get me because I have violated the policies of a foreign organisation that I am not even a member of? Is it an indictable or summary offence? Or is ebay just full of ****? The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Counterfeit Currency and Stamps policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has been canceled. eBay does not permit the sale of coins or paper money that are fraudulent or improperly described or of slugs or tokens intended to be fraudulently used in substitution for a coin. Sellers who knowingly fail to disclose information about the authenticity of coins or paper money, alterations to coins or paper money, or other information that might have a material impact on the coin or paper money value may be reported to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the provincial police forces or the American Numismatic Association (ANA). When listing a certified coin, the coin must be certified by one of the following authorized grading companies: a.. Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC) b.. Numismatic Conservation Services (NCS) c.. Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) d.. Independent Coin Grading (ICG) e.. ANACS |
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Ebay Pulled my ICCS coins!
On Oct 16, 7:58?am, "L. HOULLEVICQUE" wrote:
Since when are Canadians subject to the rules of the American Numismatic Association, which has admitted receiving money from American grading companies for "endorsements"? I live in Canada, and have had several of my ebay auctions pulled for "fraud" because my coins were graded by ICCS, not one of the 4 approved American grading companies. The cancel notice says I could be reported to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the American Numismatic Association. Will the mounties come and get me because I have violated the policies of a foreign organisation that I am not even a member of? Is it an indictable or summary offence? Or is ebay just full of ****? The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Counterfeit Currency and Stamps policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has been canceled. eBay does not permit the sale of coins or paper money that are fraudulent or improperly described or of slugs or tokens intended to be fraudulently used in substitution for a coin. Sellers who knowingly fail to disclose information about the authenticity of coins or paper money, alterations to coins or paper money, or other information that might have a material impact on the coin or paper money value may be reported to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the provincial police forces or the American Numismatic Association (ANA). When listing a certified coin, the coin must be certified by one of the following authorized grading companies: a.. Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC) b.. Numismatic Conservation Services (NCS) c.. Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) d.. Independent Coin Grading (ICG) e.. ANACS My guess is that you listed these coins on eBay-US rather than eBay- Canada. Once you did that you were obligated to follow the new rules regarding certified coins. The rules for "selling coins" on eBay-Canada do not contain these new rules for certified coins (nor does eBay-Australia): http://pages.ebay.ca/help/policies/selling-coins.html |
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Ebay Pulled my ICCS coins!
On Oct 16, 9:19 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Your non-membership in ANA is not germane to the case. It is your membership in eBay that is germane, and they are the ones who make the rules for listing. That said, the question you pose at the end of this first paragraph has been up for debate for quite some time on this newsgroup. Personally, although I am generally satisfied with eBay, it is my opinion that they are way off base with this policy regarding slabbed coins. I wish you the best of luck. A search on eBay using "Canada ICCS" turned up 593 items. In fact, I just bought a nice 1911 large cent with ICCS plastered all over the auction. Look like they're gonna be real busy canceling auctions over at eBay central! |
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Ebay Pulled my ICCS coins!
tony cooper wrote:
"The pulling of your ads had nothing to do with the ANA" I have to disagree with you on this one Tony. The ANA is the prime mover on these rules. eBay enacted these rules on the advice of the ANA. "The ANA has worked with eBay since September 2004" JAM From the ANA eBay Launches New Policy Within its Coins Category ANA Applauds eBay Fraud Prevention Efforts Yesterday, eBay launched a new policy in its Coins Category, which will ensure that any coins listed as certified must be certified by one of four grading companies. "The ANA supports this effort to improve consumer protection for people buying and selling coins on eBay," said ANA President Barry Stuppler. "Although the ANA is not responsible for this policy, we support any effort to reduce the potential for fraud and to help safeguard the coin-collecting hobby." The ANA has worked with eBay since September 2004, and through the Coins Community Watch group has assisted eBay in identifying misrepresented or fraudulent listings in the on-line auction company's coins category. During this period, the ANA emphasized to eBay the need to establish regulations designed to minimize the opportunity for consumer fraud. "In order for consumer fraud to occur, three elements must be present: a person's desire, ability and opportunity to commit the fraud," said ANA Consumer Awareness Coordinator Susan McMillan, "We cannot control a person's desire or ability, but we can try to remove the opportunity." In February 2007, eBay approached ANA for input on how best to address the issue of fraudulent grading and authenticating. The ANA provided eBay with input on possible guidelines and also provided them with the results of the PNG/ICTA 2006 Grading Services Survey. In August, after much deliberation, the ANA recommended that eBay only go forward with the policy change if eBay would use the results of the PNG, ICTA 2006 Grading Service Survey. View the results of that survey at: http://www.pngdealers.com/public/pre...cfm?article=47 "Ultimately, eBay's determination on which grading services would qualify for the certified classification was solely an internal eBay policy decision," said ANA Acting Executive Director Kenneth Hallenbeck. According to the new eBay policy, which eBay officials say is intended to improve buyer confidence, any listing of a "certified" coin must be certified by one of the following companies: Numismatic Guaranty Corp./Numismatic Conservation Services (NGC/NCS), Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS), Independent Coin Grading (ICG), or ANACS. Sellers will still be permitted to list coins graded by other grading services in other coin categories as long as they follow certain conditions. |
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Ebay Pulled my ICCS coins!
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:54:00 -0700, RF wrote:
On Oct 16, 9:19 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Your non-membership in ANA is not germane to the case. It is your membership in eBay that is germane, and they are the ones who make the rules for listing. That said, the question you pose at the end of this first paragraph has been up for debate for quite some time on this newsgroup. Personally, although I am generally satisfied with eBay, it is my opinion that they are way off base with this policy regarding slabbed coins. I wish you the best of luck. A search on eBay using "Canada ICCS" turned up 593 items. In fact, I just bought a nice 1911 large cent with ICCS plastered all over the auction. Look like they're gonna be real busy canceling auctions over at eBay central! If you searched "title and descriptions", all of those auctions are not necessarily in violation of the new rule. The ICCS certification can be in the description; just not the title. eBay's not banning ICCS certified coins. They are banning the use of the ICCS certification and a letter/number grade in the ad title. The description can still carry this information, and the image can be of a slabbed coin. -- Tony Cooper Orlando, FL |
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Ebay Pulled my ICCS coins!
tony cooper wrote:
They are banning the use of the ICCS certification and a letter/number grade in the ad title. I just did a search for ICCS in the title. It returned 480 items with ICCS AND a number grade in the title. http://coins.search.ebay.com/ICCS_Co...0QQsacatZ11116 -- ©¿©¬ ~ Ed Hendricks |
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Ebay Pulled my ICCS coins!
On Oct 16, 10:35 pm, tony cooper wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:54:00 -0700, RF wrote: On Oct 16, 9:19 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Your non-membership in ANA is not germane to the case. It is your membership in eBay that is germane, and they are the ones who make the rules for listing. That said, the question you pose at the end of this first paragraph has been up for debate for quite some time on this newsgroup. Personally, although I am generally satisfied with eBay, it is my opinion that they are way off base with this policy regarding slabbed coins. I wish you the best of luck. A search on eBay using "Canada ICCS" turned up 593 items. In fact, I just bought a nice 1911 large cent with ICCS plastered all over the auction. Look like they're gonna be real busy canceling auctions over at eBay central! If you searched "title and descriptions", all of those auctions are not necessarily in violation of the new rule. The ICCS certification can be in the description; just not the title. My understanding is that a non-approved TPG can NOT be mentioned in the auction text. But at any rate, "Canada ICCS" just in title returns 175 items. eBay's not banning ICCS certified coins. They are banning the use of the ICCS certification and a letter/number grade in the ad title. The description can still carry this information, and the image can be of a slabbed coin. |
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