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Plate Blocks
A general question if you please. Last night as I was soaking more
stamps I ran across a number of plate blocks of older stamps. I understand that MNH PBs are collectable by some folks and was curious if the same holds true for used? What got me wondering was as I picked up a set with tongs, the PB portion decided to seperate from the block of 4 stamps. I guess it had been folded numerous times along the perfs as just the weight of picking it up by the PB was enough. That made me wonder if I'd mesed up something I shouldn't have - not for monetary value but from a hobby collectability standpoint in general. |
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12/14/2003 9:10 AM
A general question if you please. Last night as I was soaking more stamps I ran across a number of plate blocks of older stamps. I understand that MNH PBs are collectable by some folks and was curious if the same holds true for used? Depends on what the collector likes. If there are X number of collectors in the world, there are X number of preferences for what they collect. Collect what you like! Personally, stamps with readable cancels or fancy cancels are far more interesting and collectible than mint stamps. I collect mint stamps if I want an example which shows the design clearly, and I almost always try to obtain good used copies as well. What got me wondering was as I picked up a set with tongs, the PB portion decided to seperate from the block of 4 stamps. I guess it had been folded numerous times along the perfs as just the weight of picking it up by the PB was enough. That made me wonder if I'd mesed up something I shouldn't have - not for monetary value but from a hobby collectability standpoint in general. I would say that your mistake was picking up the wet plate block with tongs. Such pieces need to be carefully supported by your very own sensitive fingers as they are removed from the water, because the weight of the wet stamps alone can be enough to tear the stamps apart, especially if the perforations have been creased. IMHO, tongs are dangerous instruments when used with wet stamps. Bob Ingraham |
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Real plate blocks, that is, ones with plate numbers on them as opposed to
the "inscribed" blocks of modern issues, are collectible in that they are proof that the stamp examples are printed from a specific plate. This is only significant if more than one plate was used in the life time of the issue, of course. The mint or used aspect is the same as for mint and used stamps in general (i.e, collector's preference) The inscribed blocks of modern issues (i.e., not printed from engraved plates) are collectible also as they often include an identification of the printing run. If you don't have the print run number on the selvedge, there sometimes is no way of knowing which print run a stamp came from in the case of multiple print runs. |
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"Tony Brown" wrote in message
... Real plate blocks, that is, ones with plate numbers on them as opposed to the "inscribed" blocks of modern issues, are collectible in that they are proof that the stamp examples are printed from a specific plate. This is only significant if more than one plate was used in the life time of the issue, of course. The mint or used aspect is the same as for mint and used stamps in general (i.e, collector's preference) The inscribed blocks of modern issues (i.e., not printed from engraved plates) are collectible also as they often include an identification of the printing run. If you don't have the print run number on the selvedge, there sometimes is no way of knowing which print run a stamp came from in the case of multiple print runs. I was under the impression that modern stamps were printed with the same plate used thousands of times, but the "plate number" changing automatically as each sheet is fed thru or being added later - much like the serial # is put on paper money. Also what about the printing methods that do not use plates? SO it's not really a plate number but a sheet number. Or is my idea wrong? -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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I was under the impression that modern stamps were printed with the same
plate used thousands of times, but the "plate number" changing automatically as each sheet is fed thru or being added later - much like the serial # is put on paper money. Also what about the printing methods that do not use plates? SO it's not really a plate number but a sheet number. Or is my idea wrong? The number that appears on a plate block is the plate number, not a serial number of the sheet the block of stamps comes from. Plates used in printing bills, bonds, stamps, etc., are numbered for control and audit purposes. Stamp collectors are interested in the plate number because stamps printed from different plates, even if they have the same design, have perceptable differences. The inscriptions on stamps that are not printed from numbered plates usually contain information about the stamp's designer, printer, colours used (the "traffic lights"), perhaps some explanatory info about the subject matter, and, if more than one printing, as is often the case with definitives, a print run number (i.e., a simple number like "1" or "2" indicating first printing, second printing, etc.). |
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and, if more than one printing, as is often the case with definitives, a
| print run number (i.e., a simple number like "1" or "2" indicating first | printing, second printing, etc.). In Oz, interestingly, instead of a number we have an image code. in the selvedge one will see images of Koala's, the number of which refers to the print run. |
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Peter Aitken wrote:
"Tony Brown" wrote in message ... Real plate blocks, that is, ones with plate numbers on them as opposed to the "inscribed" blocks of modern issues, are collectible in that they are proof that the stamp examples are printed from a specific plate. This is only significant if more than one plate was used in the life time of the issue, of course. The mint or used aspect is the same as for mint and used stamps in general (i.e, collector's preference) The inscribed blocks of modern issues (i.e., not printed from engraved plates) are collectible also as they often include an identification of the printing run. If you don't have the print run number on the selvedge, there sometimes is no way of knowing which print run a stamp came from in the case of multiple print runs. I was under the impression that modern stamps were printed with the same plate used thousands of times, but the "plate number" changing automatically as each sheet is fed thru or being added later - much like the serial # is put on paper money. Also what about the printing methods that do not use plates? SO it's not really a plate number but a sheet number. Or is my idea wrong? I have seen souvenir sheets and booklet panes with what seem to be serial numbers - different on each sheet or pane. But modern US stamps still have "plate numbers" which appear the same on a great number, if not all, sheets of a given issue. = Eric |
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In Oz, interestingly, instead of a number we have an image code.
in the selvedge one will see images of Koala's, the number of which refers to the print run. In a similar vein, I have seen "traffic lights" in the form of images that match the subject matter of the stamp. The Canadian $2 Polar bear issue, for example, has traffic lights in the form of four little polar bears, each corresponding to the colours used in the printing of the stamp. By the way, I consider this sort of thing as part of "selvedge art" and have published an article on it at http://www.rpsc.org/Library/selvedge/selvedge.html. |
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12/14/2003 5:59 PM
In Oz, interestingly, instead of a number we have an image code. in the selvedge one will see images of Koala's, the number of which refers to the print run. In a similar vein, I have seen "traffic lights" in the form of images that match the subject matter of the stamp. The Canadian $2 Polar bear issue, for example, has traffic lights in the form of four little polar bears, each corresponding to the colours used in the printing of the stamp. By the way, I consider this sort of thing as part of "selvedge art" and have published an article on it at http://www.rpsc.org/Library/selvedge/selvedge.html. An interesting web page, Tony. You've presented the "Evolution of Selvedge," at least on Canadian stamps, in a straightforward, comprehensive way. Move over, Darwin! I don't have it available to scan, but Canada's recent Korean War commemorative might be worth adding to your web page. The bottom selvedge consists of a long horizontal line drawing of various Canadian armed forces personnel at their jobs, but single stamps with attached selvedge cannot be removed without damaging the drawing. It's kinda hard to explain, but it would show clearly in a scan. Maybe someone can provide one. Bob |
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Yes, Nice (unusual) Page Tony.
Not Canadian, but some nice selvedge art from the Magyar's................ http://groups.msn.com/Stamps/shoebox...to&PhotoID=171 (Remove gum to reply) |
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