ID needed France

I have a strange stamp which I think was part of a kiloware mixture I
bought about 25 years ago.
The stamp is red, and inscribed (in French)”250 grams chicory and other
substitutes for coffee”.
It bears a seal which indicates that it was issued by the French Government.
Can anyone in the group identify it?

http://users.rcn.com/jnobrien/France_ID_0704.jpg
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PS: wouldn't it be great if instead of going through all this BS to put
a picture of this on the Internet, we could just attach it to this post.
Oh for th good old days before worms and viruses!

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:47:12 -0400, AK47
wrote:

I have a strange stamp which I think was part of a kiloware mixture I
bought about 25 years ago.
The stamp is red, and inscribed (in French)”250 grams chicory and other
substitutes for coffee”.
It bears a seal which indicates that it was issued by the French Government.
Can anyone in the group identify it?

http://users.rcn.com/jnobrien/France_ID_0704.jpg

There are 4 possibilities, depending on the way certain letters are
printed and so forth. These stamps were issued between 1926 - 1935.
They are listed in the Yvert & Tellier France Revenue catalog. Mine
is 1994 and these can be found on page 32.

I won't go into the 4 types here because it can be too long. I will
say they were worth 10 FFr, which was about $2 back in '94.

The link does not work, but substituting the spaces by dots, I was denied
access. My guess is that the "stamp" is a wartime rationing coupon for
chickory, a substitute for coffee. Can anyone in France confirm that?

Tony

"AK47" wrote in message
...
I have a strange stamp which I think was part of a kiloware mixture I
bought about 25 years ago.
The stamp is red, and inscribed (in French)”250 grams chicory and other
substitutes for coffee”.
It bears a seal which indicates that it was issued by the French
Government.
Can anyone in the group identify it?

http://users.rcn.com/jnobrien/France_ID_0704.jpg
--
To e-mail me get rid of the cats and dogs.

PS: wouldn't it be great if instead of going through all this BS to put
a picture of this on the Internet, we could just attach it to this post.
Oh for th good old days before worms and viruses!

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:05:55 -0500, "A.E. Gelat"
wrote:

The link does not work, but substituting the spaces by dots, I was denied
access. My guess is that the "stamp" is a wartime rationing coupon for
chickory, a substitute for coffee. Can anyone in France confirm that?

Already did, to some extent. Read my reply...

"AK47" wrote in message
...
I have a strange stamp which I think was part of a kiloware mixture I
bought about 25 years ago.
The stamp is red, and inscribed (in French)”250 grams chicory and other
substitutes for coffee”.
It bears a seal which indicates that it was issued by the French
Government.
Can anyone in the group identify it?

http://users.rcn.com/jnobrien/France_ID_0704.jpg
--
To e-mail me get rid of the cats and dogs.

PS: wouldn't it be great if instead of going through all this BS to put
a picture of this on the Internet, we could just attach it to this post.
Oh for th good old days before worms and viruses!

Tracy, I cannot find the answer in which you addressed the purpose of the
stamps. Yes, they are in Yvert, as you say, but why were they issued?

Tony

"Mr. Tracy Barber" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:05:55 -0500, "A.E. Gelat"
wrote:

The link does not work, but substituting the spaces by dots, I was denied
access. My guess is that the "stamp" is a wartime rationing coupon for
chickory, a substitute for coffee. Can anyone in France confirm that?

Already did, to some extent. Read my reply...

"AK47" wrote in message
...
I have a strange stamp which I think was part of a kiloware mixture I
bought about 25 years ago.
The stamp is red, and inscribed (in French)"250 grams chicory and other
substitutes for coffee".
It bears a seal which indicates that it was issued by the French
Government.
Can anyone in the group identify it?

http://users.rcn.com/jnobrien/France_ID_0704.jpg
--
To e-mail me get rid of the cats and dogs.

PS: wouldn't it be great if instead of going through all this BS to put
a picture of this on the Internet, we could just attach it to this
post.
Oh for th good old days before worms and viruses!

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:50:13 -0500, "A.E. Gelat"
wrote:

Tracy, I cannot find the answer in which you addressed the purpose of the
stamps. Yes, they are in Yvert, as you say, but why were they issued?

The original poster had the idea and you stated it as well. They were
for war time and in between wars rationing of chicory.

Tracy

"Mr. Tracy Barber" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:05:55 -0500, "A.E. Gelat"
wrote:

The link does not work, but substituting the spaces by dots, I was denied
access. My guess is that the "stamp" is a wartime rationing coupon for
chickory, a substitute for coffee. Can anyone in France confirm that?

Already did, to some extent. Read my reply...

"AK47" wrote in message
...
I have a strange stamp which I think was part of a kiloware mixture I
bought about 25 years ago.
The stamp is red, and inscribed (in French)"250 grams chicory and other
substitutes for coffee".
It bears a seal which indicates that it was issued by the French
Government.
Can anyone in the group identify it?

http://users.rcn.com/jnobrien/France_ID_0704.jpg
--
To e-mail me get rid of the cats and dogs.

PS: wouldn't it be great if instead of going through all this BS to put
a picture of this on the Internet, we could just attach it to this
post.
Oh for th good old days before worms and viruses!

My guess is that the "stamp" is a wartime rationing coupon for
chickory, a substitute for coffee. Can anyone in France confirm that?

Already did, to some extent. Read my reply...

rest snipped

Thanks for all of your replies.

My suspicion befroe I made my original post was that this was some sort
of ration coupon.

This brings up another question:

These stamps were issued between 1926 - 1935. That was not wartime.WWI
ended in 1918 WWII did not begin until 1939. Does anyone know why
rationing normally a wartime measure, and particularly of an inferior
subsitute like chocory would have been necessary in that period.


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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:42:49 -0400, AK47
wrote:

My guess is that the "stamp" is a wartime rationing coupon for
chickory, a substitute for coffee. Can anyone in France confirm that?

Already did, to some extent. Read my reply...

rest snipped

Thanks for all of your replies.

My suspicion befroe I made my original post was that this was some sort
of ration coupon.

This brings up another question:

These stamps were issued between 1926 - 1935. That was not wartime.WWI
ended in 1918 WWII did not begin until 1939. Does anyone know why
rationing normally a wartime measure, and particularly of an inferior
subsitute like chocory would have been necessary in that period.

The stamps were issued between 1917 - 1945. This is what Yvert calls
the 2nd Period.

The first period was 1871 - 1878 and these were small circular stamps
on flimsy pelure paper. Wasn't this the Franco-Prussian war period?

Here's the Yvert French version, without accents:

Ces timbres on ete crees en execution de la loi du 30 decembre 1916
retablissant la taxation de la chicoree at des autres succedanes du
cafe.

Here's my translation, without on-line help:

These stamps were created by execution of the law of December 30, 1916
which re-establishes taxation of chicoree and other substitutes of/for
coffee.

Hope this helps. :^)

Mr. Tracy Barber wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:42:49 -0400, AK47
wrote:


My guess is that the "stamp" is a wartime rationing coupon for

chickory, a substitute for coffee. Can anyone in France confirm that?

Already did, to some extent. Read my reply...

rest snipped

Thanks for all of your replies.

My suspicion befroe I made my original post was that this was some sort
of ration coupon.

This brings up another question:

These stamps were issued between 1926 - 1935. That was not wartime.WWI
ended in 1918 WWII did not begin until 1939. Does anyone know why
rationing normally a wartime measure, and particularly of an inferior
subsitute like chocory would have been necessary in that period.


The stamps were issued between 1917 - 1945. This is what Yvert calls
the 2nd Period.

The first period was 1871 - 1878 and these were small circular stamps
on flimsy pelure paper. Wasn't this the Franco-Prussian war period?

Here's the Yvert French version, without accents:

Ces timbres on ete crees en execution de la loi du 30 decembre 1916
retablissant la taxation de la chicoree at des autres succedanes du
cafe.

Here's my translation, without on-line help:

These stamps were created by execution of the law of December 30, 1916
which re-establishes taxation of chicoree and other substitutes of/for
coffee.

Hope this helps. :^)

Thanks. I conclude then that the stamps are tax-paid revenue stamps
rather than ration coupons as the earlier posts in this thread supposed.
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Would this tax be a method primarily of raising revenue or by
increasing the price offering some protection to the coffee-producers
of France. In some areas of finance tax is not necessarily to raise
revenue( although no doubt the extra monet is welcome!)


AK47 wrote in message ...
Mr. Tracy Barber wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:42:49 -0400, AK47
wrote:


My guess is that the "stamp" is a wartime rationing coupon for

chickory, a substitute for coffee. Can anyone in France confirm that?

Already did, to some extent. Read my reply...

rest snipped

Thanks for all of your replies.

My suspicion befroe I made my original post was that this was some sort
of ration coupon.

This brings up another question:

These stamps were issued between 1926 - 1935. That was not wartime.WWI
ended in 1918 WWII did not begin until 1939. Does anyone know why
rationing normally a wartime measure, and particularly of an inferior
subsitute like chocory would have been necessary in that period.


The stamps were issued between 1917 - 1945. This is what Yvert calls
the 2nd Period.

The first period was 1871 - 1878 and these were small circular stamps
on flimsy pelure paper. Wasn't this the Franco-Prussian war period?

Here's the Yvert French version, without accents:

Ces timbres on ete crees en execution de la loi du 30 decembre 1916
retablissant la taxation de la chicoree at des autres succedanes du
cafe.

Here's my translation, without on-line help:

These stamps were created by execution of the law of December 30, 1916
which re-establishes taxation of chicoree and other substitutes of/for
coffee.

Hope this helps. :^)

Thanks. I conclude then that the stamps are tax-paid revenue stamps
rather than ration coupons as the earlier posts in this thread supposed.