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Little Long Rapids, Ontario
I have a postmark for this place on a pair of QE2 Cameo stamps
( 1954). After extensive searches on the internet I have found out that this is a Hydro Electric Power Station in the middle of nowhere. The Power Supply company website records that there was a temporary township for construction workers at the time that the station and associated civil engineering works were built ( presumably with apost office)but that it was later dismantled and moved elsewhere for a new project. However a "place names" site shows that the place still exists. Does anyone actually still live there ? What about maintenance staff for the plant ? If so what are the postal arrangements if any ? There appears to be no town or permanent settlement locally. Would any mail have to go via the Power Company, or would it have to be collected at the nearest town on a "poste restante" arrangement ? If so which town ( so I can id a possible postcode - purely for location purposes to hang some sort of a locality for mounting it.). Fallingrain and the Canada postcode sites make no mention. Is there a "Rural Box" arrangement for these very remote areas. There does not seem to be even a road, although presumably there is a track so that machinery and personnel can access the place. This seems to be the sort of area where providing postal services could be somewhat challenging not to mention expensive. I would imagine that the "temporary town" with a totally itinerant population would have had a high postal usage in its time so the postmark will be fairly common? Do any of our Canadian friends have any personal knowledge of this type of "town" ? Malcolm |
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Little Long Rapids, Ontario
On Jan 20, 3:43*pm, malcolm wrote:
I have a postmark for this place on a pair of QE2 Cameo stamps ( 1954). After extensive searches on the internet I have found out that this is a Hydro Electric Power Station in the middle of nowhere. The Power Supply company website records that there was a temporary township for construction workers at the time that the station and associated civil engineering works were built ( presumably with apost office)but that it was later dismantled and moved elsewhere for a new project. However a "place names" site shows that the place still exists. Does anyone actually still live there ? What about maintenance staff for the plant ? If so what are the postal arrangements if any ? There appears to be no town or permanent settlement locally. Would any mail have to go via the Power Company, or would it have to be collected at the nearest town on a "poste restante" arrangement ? If so which town ( so I can id a possible postcode *- purely for location purposes to hang some sort of a locality for mounting it.). Fallingrain and the Canada postcode sites make no mention. Is there a "Rural Box" arrangement for these very remote areas. There does not seem to be even a road, although presumably there is a track so that machinery and personnel can access the place. This seems to be the sort of area where providing postal services could be somewhat challenging not to mention expensive. I would imagine that the "temporary town" with a totally itinerant population would have had a high postal usage in its time so the postmark will be fairly common? Do any of our Canadian friends have any personal knowledge of this type of "town" ? Malcolm Little Long Rapids, Ont (now a ghost town.) Latitude: 50.01667 Longitude: -82.16667 Latitude (DMS): 50° 1' 0 N Longitude (DMS) 82° 10' 0 W The only way to get there was by rail from Kapuskasing Ontario, it was secluded and was a complete temporary town as three dams were built for hydro electric power. It had a bank, theatre, bowling alley, theatre, pool room, 2 schools, train station, hospital, men and women's residences and the church (which did burn down) etc. It was active into the 1960s. By the mid 1980s it was gone. Blair http://forums.ghosttowns.com/showthr...le-Long-Rapids |
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Little Long Rapids, Ontario
Blair
Thanks for that. I had looked at that thread and had gathered that as a town/village it no longer existed. However I postulate that in close proximity to such a major structure/development there must be SOME sort of human habitation in order to deal with minor repairs, maintenance and general supervision of the plant - even if only a cabin, office, gatehouse, security facility etc. The nearest "proper" settlement would appear to be some considerable distance away - and I can't believe that someone would commute daily over a huge distance particularly in winter. What I was trying to find was the community/municipality/rural district/post office jurisdiction or whatever which "owns" the site of the present dam. Surely all land in Canada has an administrative area within whose boundary it falls? This can in the UK normally be traced through local government records. I have found a number of local government areas in the local( by Canadian standards) area, but no way can I find out which one contains the land mentioned. As I said I am not looking for a definitive postcode for the place as there is probably no mail delivery as such - but I am just looking for a convenient ( and accurate ) peg on which to "hang the hat". as it were. In the UK we do not have much in the way of Hydro Electric Power, but we do have reservoirs for drinking water in (relatively) remote areas where "temporary" towns were set up during construction in the same way - and in almost every case after the township has gone there is some residual occupation by small numbers of people in isolated dwellings. In the case mentioned there was only rail access and the railway has gone, but there must be vehicle access now of some sort, as how do they get in pylons,generators and other heavy equipment - surely not by air - there does not seem to be an airstrip - and helicopters or float planes cannot carry the weight? Completely OT but I have been looking, purely as interest at some of the communities in this part of Ontario, and I cannot believe how cheap Real Estate is! Presumably not many people want to live there ! Malcolm On Jan 20, 9:55*pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Jan 20, 3:43*pm, malcolm wrote: I have a postmark for this place on a pair of QE2 Cameo stamps ( 1954). After extensive searches on the internet I have found out that this is a Hydro Electric Power Station in the middle of nowhere. The Power Supply company website records that there was a temporary township for construction workers at the time that the station and associated civil engineering works were built ( presumably with apost office)but that it was later dismantled and moved elsewhere for a new project. However a "place names" site shows that the place still exists. Does anyone actually still live there ? What about maintenance staff for the plant ? If so what are the postal arrangements if any ? There appears to be no town or permanent settlement locally. Would any mail have to go via the Power Company, or would it have to be collected at the nearest town on a "poste restante" arrangement ? If so which town ( so I can id a possible postcode *- purely for location purposes to hang some sort of a locality for mounting it.). Fallingrain and the Canada postcode sites make no mention. Is there a "Rural Box" arrangement for these very remote areas. There does not seem to be even a road, although presumably there is a track so that machinery and personnel can access the place. This seems to be the sort of area where providing postal services could be somewhat challenging not to mention expensive. I would imagine that the "temporary town" with a totally itinerant population would have had a high postal usage in its time so the postmark will be fairly common? Do any of our Canadian friends have any personal knowledge of this type of "town" ? Malcolm Little Long Rapids, Ont (now a ghost town.) Latitude: *50.01667 Longitude: *-82.16667 Latitude (DMS): *50° 1' 0 N Longitude (DMS) *82° 10' 0 W The only way to get there was by rail from Kapuskasing Ontario, it was secluded and was a complete temporary town as three dams were built for hydro electric power. It had a bank, theatre, bowling alley, theatre, pool room, 2 schools, train station, hospital, men and women's residences and the church (which did burn down) etc. It was active into the 1960s. *By the mid 1980s it was gone. Blairhttp://forums.ghosttowns.com/showthread.php?5976-Little-Long-Rapids |
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Little Long Rapids, Ontario
malcolm wrote:
Completely OT but I have been looking, purely as interest at some of the communities in this part of Ontario, and I cannot believe how cheap Real Estate is! Presumably not many people want to live there ! Radio Canada is the French language radio service for the CBC - their website has (had?) some stories in English for use in learning the language. Here's a story about Northern Ontario that may explain the above ... (I've appended the story rather than the web address, which looks to be obsolete, missing most of the graphics, etc.) Similarities to Frank Zappa and "Billy The Mountain" noted. ----- People may talk about the big and scary grizzly bears in British Columbia or polar bears in the Arctic, but the scariest creature in all of Canada is the black fly of Northern Ontario. Nowhere else on the planet are the black flies as big as in Northern Ontario. They will take the screen right off your tent if they can smell you inside! So you don’t feel like going outdoors. But I was up surveying land so I had to go .. out to work. Well all day long you’re swatting and squashing, squashing and swatting those black flies, trying to clear the air. You’re itchy and scratching, scratching millions of itchy bites right from your head to your little toes. And all you want to do is get your surveying work done! One day I said to my friend, “Oh dear the black flies are bad this year!” “Well they were WORSE last year!” she said. “They must have been scary if they were worse last year.” I replied. “Were there more?” “More!” my friend roared, “ the clouds of black flies were so thick you couldn’t breathe! You were scratching your itchy black fly bites morning, noon and night. I’m sure I lost 20 kilos from all the blood the black flies took out of me! And one day I see this loud black cloud coming towards me. I don’t know what to do. Luckily I find a rain barrel. I get inside the rain barrel, hoping to hide from the black flies. Just when I think I’m safe, I hear a sound like bullets hitting the rain barrel. In the dark in my rain barrel I can just about see – the black flies’ little jaws coming right through the rain barrel! I find a rock and I hammer down those little jaws like nails. I work fast! Then I feel this strange sensation. And whoosh! I am flying up, up, up into the bright Northern Ontario sky. The black flies are carrying the rain barrel - with me inside! Ryan |
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Little Long Rapids, Ontario
On Jan 21, 6:23*am, malcolm wrote:
Blair Thanks for that. I had looked at that thread and had gathered that as a town/village it no longer existed. However I postulate that in close proximity to such a major structure/development there must be SOME sort of human habitation in order to deal with minor repairs, maintenance and general supervision of the plant - even if only a cabin, office, gatehouse, security facility etc. The nearest "proper" settlement would appear to be some considerable distance away - and I can't believe that someone would commute daily over a huge distance particularly in winter. What I was trying to find was the community/municipality/rural district/post office jurisdiction or whatever which "owns" the site of the present dam. Surely all land in Canada has an administrative area within whose boundary it falls? This can in the UK normally be traced through local government records. I have found a number of local government areas in the local( by Canadian standards) area, but no way can I find out which one contains the land mentioned. As I said I am not looking for a definitive postcode for the place as there is probably no mail *delivery as such - but I am just looking for a convenient ( and accurate ) peg on which to "hang the hat". as it were. In the UK we do not have much in the way of Hydro Electric Power, but we do have reservoirs for drinking water in (relatively) remote areas where "temporary" towns were set up during construction in the same way - and in almost every case after the township has gone there is some residual occupation by small numbers of people in isolated dwellings. In the case mentioned there was only rail access and the railway has gone, but there must be vehicle access now of some sort, as how do they get in pylons,generators and other heavy equipment - surely not by air - there does not seem to be an airstrip - and helicopters or float planes cannot carry the weight? Completely OT but I have been looking, *purely as interest at some of the communities in this part of Ontario, and I cannot believe how cheap Real Estate is! Presumably not many people want to live there ! Malcolm On Jan 20, 9:55*pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Jan 20, 3:43*pm, malcolm wrote: I have a postmark for this place on a pair of QE2 Cameo stamps ( 1954). After extensive searches on the internet I have found out that this is a Hydro Electric Power Station in the middle of nowhere. The Power Supply company website records that there was a temporary township for construction workers at the time that the station and associated civil engineering works were built ( presumably with apost office)but that it was later dismantled and moved elsewhere for a new project. However a "place names" site shows that the place still exists. Does anyone actually still live there ? What about maintenance staff for the plant ? If so what are the postal arrangements if any ? There appears to be no town or permanent settlement locally. Would any mail have to go via the Power Company, or would it have to be collected at the nearest town on a "poste restante" arrangement ? If so which town ( so I can id a possible postcode *- purely for location purposes to hang some sort of a locality for mounting it.). Fallingrain and the Canada postcode sites make no mention. Is there a "Rural Box" arrangement for these very remote areas. There does not seem to be even a road, although presumably there is a track so that machinery and personnel can access the place. This seems to be the sort of area where providing postal services could be somewhat challenging not to mention expensive. I would imagine that the "temporary town" with a totally itinerant population would have had a high postal usage in its time so the postmark will be fairly common? Do any of our Canadian friends have any personal knowledge of this type of "town" ? Malcolm Little Long Rapids, Ont (now a ghost town.) Latitude: *50.01667 Longitude: *-82.16667 Latitude (DMS): *50° 1' 0 N Longitude (DMS) *82° 10' 0 W The only way to get there was by rail from Kapuskasing Ontario, it was secluded and was a complete temporary town as three dams were built for hydro electric power. It had a bank, theatre, bowling alley, theatre, pool room, 2 schools, train station, hospital, men and women's residences and the church (which did burn down) etc. It was active into the 1960s. *By the mid 1980s it was gone. Blairhttp://forums.ghosttowns.com/showthread.php?5976-Little-Long-Rapids- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Malcolm: The nearest main town / post office would be Kapuskasing, Ontario. (General Delivery or PO Box if you have one) MAIN (Postal) Station KAPUSKASING ON P5N 2X9 The whole area only has a population of 14,000. The hamlet of Fraserdale (no post office or postal code) is slightly closer to Little Long Rapids and is on the railway. This web page on Fraserdale may interest you. (with video) http://www.highway11.ca/JamesBay/09b...dale/index.php Here is a government road map. (PDF) http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/tra...eets/Map14.pdf Access is by private road (public access). At 50.016 North , 82.389 West , you can see the two branches of the road meeting and a road going North. Anyone going in there, would truck in their own supplies, food etc. In Northern Ontario, travelling long distances for a weekly commute is common. I had brothers in law who did this very thing. Hundreds of miles is routine up there. Cheers Blair |
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Little Long Rapids, Ontario
On Jan 21, 11:54*am, "Blair (TC)" wrote:
On Jan 21, 6:23*am, malcolm wrote: Blair Thanks for that. I had looked at that thread and had gathered that as a town/village it no longer existed. However I postulate that in close proximity to such a major structure/development there must be SOME sort of human habitation in order to deal with minor repairs, maintenance and general supervision of the plant - even if only a cabin, office, gatehouse, security facility etc. The nearest "proper" settlement would appear to be some considerable distance away - and I can't believe that someone would commute daily over a huge distance particularly in winter. What I was trying to find was the community/municipality/rural district/post office jurisdiction or whatever which "owns" the site of the present dam. Surely all land in Canada has an administrative area within whose boundary it falls? This can in the UK normally be traced through local government records. I have found a number of local government areas in the local( by Canadian standards) area, but no way can I find out which one contains the land mentioned. As I said I am not looking for a definitive postcode for the place as there is probably no mail *delivery as such - but I am just looking for a convenient ( and accurate ) peg on which to "hang the hat". as it were. In the UK we do not have much in the way of Hydro Electric Power, but we do have reservoirs for drinking water in (relatively) remote areas where "temporary" towns were set up during construction in the same way - and in almost every case after the township has gone there is some residual occupation by small numbers of people in isolated dwellings. In the case mentioned there was only rail access and the railway has gone, but there must be vehicle access now of some sort, as how do they get in pylons,generators and other heavy equipment - surely not by air - there does not seem to be an airstrip - and helicopters or float planes cannot carry the weight? Completely OT but I have been looking, *purely as interest at some of the communities in this part of Ontario, and I cannot believe how cheap Real Estate is! Presumably not many people want to live there ! Malcolm On Jan 20, 9:55*pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Jan 20, 3:43*pm, malcolm wrote: I have a postmark for this place on a pair of QE2 Cameo stamps ( 1954). After extensive searches on the internet I have found out that this is a Hydro Electric Power Station in the middle of nowhere. The Power Supply company website records that there was a temporary township for construction workers at the time that the station and associated civil engineering works were built ( presumably with apost office)but that it was later dismantled and moved elsewhere for a new project. However a "place names" site shows that the place still exists. Does anyone actually still live there ? What about maintenance staff for the plant ? If so what are the postal arrangements if any ? There appears to be no town or permanent settlement locally. Would any mail have to go via the Power Company, or would it have to be collected at the nearest town on a "poste restante" arrangement ? If so which town ( so I can id a possible postcode *- purely for location purposes to hang some sort of a locality for mounting it.). Fallingrain and the Canada postcode sites make no mention. Is there a "Rural Box" arrangement for these very remote areas. There does not seem to be even a road, although presumably there is a track so that machinery and personnel can access the place. This seems to be the sort of area where providing postal services could be somewhat challenging not to mention expensive. I would imagine that the "temporary town" with a totally itinerant population would have had a high postal usage in its time so the postmark will be fairly common? Do any of our Canadian friends have any personal knowledge of this type of "town" ? Malcolm Little Long Rapids, Ont (now a ghost town.) Latitude: *50.01667 Longitude: *-82.16667 Latitude (DMS): *50° 1' 0 N Longitude (DMS) *82° 10' 0 W The only way to get there was by rail from Kapuskasing Ontario, it was secluded and was a complete temporary town as three dams were built for hydro electric power. It had a bank, theatre, bowling alley, theatre, pool room, 2 schools, train station, hospital, men and women's residences and the church (which did burn down) etc. It was active into the 1960s. *By the mid 1980s it was gone. Blairhttp://forums.ghosttowns.com/showthread.php?5976-Little-Long-Rapids-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Malcolm: The nearest main town / post office would be Kapuskasing, Ontario. (General Delivery or PO Box if you have one) MAIN (Postal) Station KAPUSKASING ON P5N 2X9 The whole area only has a population of 14,000. The hamlet of Fraserdale (no post office or postal code) is slightly closer to Little Long Rapids and is on the railway. This web page on Fraserdale may interest you. (with video)http://www.highway11.ca/JamesBay/09b...dale/index.php Here is a government road map. *(PDF)http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/tra...df/northont/sh... Access is by private road (public access). At 50.016 North , 82.389 West , you can see the two branches of the road meeting and a road going North. Anyone going in there, would truck in their own supplies, food etc. In Northern Ontario, travelling long distances for a weekly commute is common. I had brothers in law who did this very thing. Hundreds of miles is routine up there. Cheers Blair ADDENDUM Go to Google Maps. Search on : Little+Long+Rapids+ontario Zoom in to your hearts content. By the way I passed through Fraserdale, on the Polar Bear Express, back in the late 1970s. Little Long Rapids would still have been there. We were going from Cochrane to Moosonee, on James Bay. http://www.ontarionorthland.ca/media...TCfreight2.pdf Blair Blair |
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