Channel Island bisect.

This was offerred as an occupation cover.
Apparently the zero [0] in the date plug, was altered to half
so as to indicate a bent "1", making the date 1941.

The Channel islands were occupied from June 1940.

Can anyone substatiate that claim?

http://cjoint.com/data/lpk2mvfBPN.htm

comments welcomed.
Thanks

Oops, pulled trigger before thinking.
The stamp was issued 6th May 1940
hence it has to be 1941.

"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in message ...
This was offerred as an occupation cover.
Apparently the zero [0] in the date plug, was altered to half
so as to indicate a bent "1", making the date 1941.

The Channel islands were occupied from June 1940.

Can anyone substatiate that claim?

http://cjoint.com/data/lpk2mvfBPN.htm

comments welcomed.
Thanks

On Nov 15, 4:59*am, "rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote:
This was offerred as an occupation cover.
Apparently the zero [0] in the date plug, was altered to half
so as to indicate a bent "1", making the date 1941.

The Channel islands were occupied from June 1940.

Can anyone substatiate that claim?

http://cjoint.com/data/lpk2mvfBPN.htm

comments welcomed.
Thanks

Rodney--here is a link to the image of part of the Gurensey listing in
the Michel Specialized 1849-April 1945 edition of 2003:

http://cjoint.com/?lpoAzkPKwu

It shows the 2 pence bisect, but with a single-circle CDS rather than
the double-circle one of your image. Someone who knows German, or
more about English and Channel Islands postmarks may be able to use
the Michel info to help further.

I do know enough Michel German to recognize the "fakes known" icon at
the lower left.

Stan

Hi

There is more to it than just the 0 being changed to a 1. Look at the
whole canceland compare it to a circle which it ought to be.

Richard

In article
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Stan wrote:

On Nov 15, 4:59*am, "rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote:
This was offerred as an occupation cover.
Apparently the zero [0] in the date plug, was altered to half
so as to indicate a bent "1", making the date 1941.

The Channel islands were occupied from June 1940.

Can anyone substatiate that claim?

http://cjoint.com/data/lpk2mvfBPN.htm

comments welcomed.
Thanks

Rodney--here is a link to the image of part of the Gurensey listing in
the Michel Specialized 1849-April 1945 edition of 2003:

http://cjoint.com/?lpoAzkPKwu

It shows the 2 pence bisect, but with a single-circle CDS rather than
the double-circle one of your image. Someone who knows German, or
more about English and Channel Islands postmarks may be able to use
the Michel info to help further.

I do know enough Michel German to recognize the "fakes known" icon at
the lower left.

Stan

rodney schrieb:
This was offerred as an occupation cover.
Apparently the zero [0] in the date plug, was altered to half
so as to indicate a bent "1", making the date 1941.

The Channel islands were occupied from June 1940.

Can anyone substatiate that claim?

http://cjoint.com/data/lpk2mvfBPN.htm

comments welcomed.
Thanks



Hello Rodney

Those Stamps, were in use from december the 27th 1940.
This one is very fishy and I won't bet a single pence on it beeing
genuin. The cancel does not fit.


Peter

--

Thank you Stan, Richard, Peter.
I have no doubt it is engineered to a certain degree,
It is an empty cover posted within Guernsey philatellically inspired
by a collector I should think.
I am not so hasty to condemn it however.

I think the cancellation is refrerred to as a "ring and arc" CDS
and they DO exist
http://cjoint.com/data/lqcc3xvayf.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/allswell/bisect.html

but the comments on the altered zero sic "split zero" has aroused my curiosity,
That info must have come from somewhere,
surely not fanciful fiction.
I am sticking it in the "too hard" bin at the moment.

SG Brit Comm, and "collect channel Island Stamps" would
tend to confirm your appraisals however


"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in message ...
This was offerred as an occupation cover.
Apparently the zero [0] in the date plug, was altered to half
so as to indicate a bent "1", making the date 1941.

The Channel islands were occupied from June 1940.

Can anyone substatiate that claim?

http://cjoint.com/data/lpk2mvfBPN.htm

comments welcomed.
Thanks

"rodney"
I think the cancellation is refrerred to as a "ring and arc" CDS
and they DO exist
http://cjoint.com/data/lqcc3xvayf.htm


Correction. Part of a machine "wavy line" cancellation.

Hi Rodney,
This is genuine. The single ring CDS was mostly applied at post office
counters so you can regard it as (probably) a philatelic cover or 'Cancelled
by Favour'
If it had passed through the mail properly it would have received a double
ring CDS or a wavy line.
Here in the U.K. these covers sell for anything between £10.00 and £15.00.
Bob


"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in message
...

"rodney"
I think the cancellation is refrerred to as a "ring and arc" CDS
and they DO exist
http://cjoint.com/data/lqcc3xvayf.htm


Correction. Part of a machine "wavy line" cancellation.

Thank you, Bob.
that was my line of thinking,
(albeit I assumed a misplaced wavy line cancel)
Why I kept the faith was based on the handwriting on the auction tag,
I recognised it as possible one of the local and reliable
Perth stamp dealers, nothing else


"Bob Harper"
Hi Rodney,
This is genuine. The single ring CDS was mostly applied at post office counters so you can regard it as (probably) a
philatelic cover or 'Cancelled by Favour'
If it had passed through the mail properly it would have received a double ring CDS or a wavy line.
Here in the U.K. these covers sell for anything between £10.00 and £15.00.
Bob


"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in message ...

"rodney"
I think the cancellation is refrerred to as a "ring and arc" CDS
and they DO exist
http://cjoint.com/data/lqcc3xvayf.htm


Correction. Part of a machine "wavy line" cancellation.

You will find that most of the "Occupation" period stamps and covers
were philatellically inspired even where not contrived.There were a
number of active collectors who opportunistically ( is that a real
word ?) took advantage of the situation.

They were obviously confident of ultimate liberation, and were making
some sort of provision for the future - and after all what else was
there to do in that situation, once the not inconsiderable problems of
sufficient basic necessities of life had been overcome?

Red Cross deportee mail, and official correspondence is obviously an
exception to the caveat above.

This is not to denigrate the genuineness of the material per se, but
it does explain why such material is relatively much more common than
the situation would normally be expected to generate. There used to be
( possibly still is ) a dealer in Jersey called the Channel Islands
Stamp Company, whose regular catalogue contained pages and pages of
this sort of stuff at quite modest prices ( unfortunately much beyond
what I was prepared to pay, but nevertheless affordable had I chosen
to collect it ! ), and that to me was a good indication of how easily
obtainable such stuff was. Obviously 20 years or so on it will now be
much scarcer as most will have disappeared into collections but there
will no doubt be a steady stream of the items coming onto the market
in the normal progression of events. I think that there will always be
almost sufficient to meet most demand - at the right price - and
anyone looking to make a quick buck will be disappointed. There MAY be
the odd item lurking unrecognised in collections or attics or among
personal papers, but I would not hold my breath - 90% of the material
will be circulating between CI specialists ( and there are thousands
of them which is why the items make more than their relative scarcity
would indicate - demand does only slightly exceed supply ). Also
knowledge ( despite this thread) even among generalists like
me,particularly in the UK, is quite widespread, which means what
material does surface almost always goes to the specialists in a very
short time.

Malcolm




On Nov 20, 4:49*pm, Sir F. A. Rien wrote:
You'll find that this single ring with lower arc to be quite common on
properly processed mail. Another example is that of the London applied
"Received From H.M. Ships."

Double line legend beside single ring and lower arc throughout the 30's and
into 40's.

These types were most often used on the "Universal" machine canceller, known
from 1910 through [and beyond?] 1957.

"Bob Harper" found these unused words:



Hi Rodney,
This is genuine. The single ring CDS was mostly applied at post office
counters so you can regard it as (probably) a philatelic cover or 'Cancelled
by Favour'
If it had passed through the mail properly it would have received a double
ring CDS or a wavy line.
Here in the U.K. these covers sell for anything between £10.00 and £15.00.
Bob

"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in message
...

"rodney"
I think the cancellation is refrerred to as a "ring and arc" CDS
and they DO exist
http://cjoint.com/data/lqcc3xvayf.htm

Correction. Part of a machine "wavy line" cancellation.- Hide quoted text -

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