Needed: Ink Recommendations for Sheaffer Nonsense Fountain Pen!

On Jun 8, 10:05*am, MatthewK wrote:
On 2008-06-08, titanic cruise? *I think not; much safer on a ruby yacht wrote:

OK, but no one said anything was wrong with Hero pens.

Okey, that is just he vibe I felt. My bad.

Not to worry, Matt, I believe you should whatever pens you like!!


espresso,

satrap

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT), "titanic cruise? I think
not; much safer on a ruby yacht" wrote:

On Jun 8, 10:05*am, MatthewK wrote:
On 2008-06-08, titanic cruise? *I think not; much safer on a ruby yacht wrote:

OK, but no one said anything was wrong with Hero pens.

Okey, that is just he vibe I felt. My bad.

Not to worry, Matt, I believe you should whatever pens you like!!

Most people probably realize that with you being an FPN'er, that the
pens a lot of people here use are not up to your high standards as
pieces of fine jewelry.

Regarding Chinese pens, I don't like the super fine points, but if I
did, I'll be damn if I would spend hundreds or even thousands on pens
that you and other FPN financial wizards who have maxed out their
credit cards on pens would approve of.

I remember reading about some FPN'er who had just ordered a $400 pen
and he was talking about how he was gonna have to hide his credit card
statement from his wife or she'd beat the living hell out of him for
blowing money like that.

Was that you?

Most people probably realize that with you being an FPN'er, that the
pens a lot of people here use are not up to your high standards as
pieces of fine jewelry.


LOL Ok, but you have me mixed up with someone else.

Regarding Chinese pens, I don't like the super fine points, but if I
did, I'll be damn if I would spend hundreds or even thousands on pens
that you and other FPN financial wizards who have maxed out their
credit cards on pens would approve of.

You know, and care, how other people spend their own money?
Interesting.

I remember reading about some FPN'er who had just ordered a $400 pen
and he was talking about how he was gonna have to hide his credit card
statement from his wife or she'd beat the living hell out of him for
blowing money like that.

Was that you?

Couldn't be me, since I am a woman who hates credit cards. But thanks
for thinking of me.

So I guess you'd be one of those women who beat the hell out of their
FPN husbands for various reasons, one of those reasons being running
up thousands for fountain pens or for staining the white carpet in the
house during ink experiments.

????
You are as good at guessing as I am at betting.



dance, bunnie, dance!

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:32:32 -0700 (PDT), "titanic cruise? I think
not; much safer on a ruby yacht" wrote:

Regarding Chinese pens, I don't like the super fine points, but if I
did, I'll be damn if I would spend hundreds or even thousands on pens
that you and other FPN financial wizards who have maxed out their
credit cards on pens would approve of.

You know, and care, how other people spend their own money?
Interesting.

When some FPN dip**** writes out a post about how he spent $400 on a
fountain pen and had to hide the credit card bill to keep his wife
from beating hell out of him, yep, I know about that. You know about
it now too, if you read my post. As far as caring how he spent his
money, I don't give a rat's ass what that dumbass does with his money
or how quickly he is parted with it. He can buy a $2,000 pen for all
I care.

I remember reading about some FPN'er who had just ordered a $400 pen
and he was talking about how he was gonna have to hide his credit card
statement from his wife or she'd beat the living hell out of him for
blowing money like that.

Was that you?

Couldn't be me, since I am a woman who hates credit cards. But thanks
for thinking of me.

So I guess you'd be one of those women who beat the hell out of their
FPN husbands for various reasons, one of those reasons being running
up thousands for fountain pens or for staining the white carpet in the
house during ink experiments.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:52:12 -0700 (PDT), "titanic cruise? I think
not; much safer on a ruby yacht" wrote:

So I guess you'd be one of those women who beat the hell out of their
FPN husbands for various reasons, one of those reasons being running
up thousands for fountain pens or for staining the white carpet in the
house during ink experiments.

????
You are as good at guessing as I am at betting.

So it would be fine with you if your hubby maxed out the credit cards
on, of all things, not on a string of high class whores, but on
mother****ing fountain pens! I'd rather blow the money on the high
class whores because at least then it would be over and done with and
I wouldn't have to walk around with constant reminders of my stupidity
in my shirt pocket like those guys on FPN.

dance, bunnie, dance!

Dance all you please, but you do realize that since this is the
usenet, and don't think I mind a single bit bashing the FPN ********,
and I'm as happy as a lark that somebody has come out of the workword
to defend those **** for brains ****nuts.

Can you round up some more FPN defenders?

On Jun 8, 11:11*pm, The Drunken Lord wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:52:12 -0700 (PDT), "titanic cruise? *I think
not; much safer on a ruby yacht" wrote:

So I guess you'd be one of those women who beat the hell out of their
FPN husbands for various reasons, one of those reasons being running
up thousands for fountain pens or for staining the white carpet in the
house during ink experiments.

????
You are as good at guessing as I am at betting.

So it would be fine with you if your hubby maxed out the credit cards
on, of all things, not on a string of high class whores,

I am happily single.

"MatthewK" wrote in message
...

A 329 writes when you want it to whereas a new $400 dollar pen
does not.

Please be careful about generalizing. Do you really mean that there aren't
ANY $400 pens that write when you want? Do you have the knowledge and
experience to back up that statement?

I think others cvan back this up: If you want a good
write then don't pay over $40 bucks for a modern pen.

I won't because that's much too low. Some of my favorite pens, Namiki
Falcon, Namiki Vanishing Point, Parker Sonnet, Pilot Ecrino, & Sailor 1911M,
retail for $60 - $170. My first Cross ATX cost $42. If I followed your rule,
I would have missed out especially since the Falcon, which retails at $170
and cost me over $100, is still my #1 favorite over all the rest.

That is
not to be taken literally but it seems once you get to the $100
dollar mark, bad things start happening.

Yes, please don't take that literally because literally none of my several
$100 pens ever gave me a poor experience. Zero. Zip. Zilch. They were love
affairs right out of the box as soon as they were inked and write better
than the $100 pens. However, I believe that's because their gold nibs give
a better experience overall than do steel nibs rather than it being an issue
of not writing on demand.

While I agree that user pens perform better than pens meant to be
collectibles, your price range is much too narrow. I say that excellent
writers can be had for $3 - $300; pens such as the larger Pelikans or the
Omas 360, which some may need for comfort, being the exceptions. There
should be others that I don't know about.

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On 2008-06-09, Bluesea wrote:

"MatthewK" wrote in message
...

A 329 writes when you want it to whereas a new $400 dollar pen
does not.

Please be careful about generalizing. Do you really mean that there aren't
ANY $400 pens that write when you want? Do you have the knowledge and
experience to back up that statement?

(The 329 was used as an example because hero was mentioned. A
329 from one of the good dealers writes better out of the box
than most anything else IMO.)

Of course not. Do you have the knowledge or experience to argue
against it? My informal survey of penmiesters seems to
suggest this to be true.


I think others cvan back this up: If you want a good
write then don't pay over $40 bucks for a modern pen.

I won't because that's much too low. Some of my favorite pens, Namiki
Falcon, Namiki Vanishing Point, Parker Sonnet, Pilot Ecrino, & Sailor 1911M,
retail for $60 - $170. My first Cross ATX cost $42. If I followed your rule,
I would have missed out especially since the Falcon, which retails at $170
and cost me over $100, is still my #1 favorite over all the rest.

I can't speak for the others but an hour spent googling the vp
will give you a couple of results. How great the pen is. Why
doesn't it work well with this ink, why doesn't it work well
with this converter, why is it so noisy?

The cheapest I've seen a new vp is $88-$160. I expect a pen
that costly to work without a hitch but the rest of the market
is satisfied with poor engineering and materials.

I think pilot is the wrong brand to discuss, because to a
certain extent their pens seem to all be very similar
in terms of hardware regardless of price. How many nib/feed
assemblies do the manufacture? Anyone know?

As a rule of thumb I think $40 bucks or less is what newbies
should here. I didn't mean to apply that to all situations.

To me, it is simple marketing. Just restricting ourselves to
japanese makers what is more likely to write flawlessly out of
the box, a namiki vp or a platinum preppy?

What would write better out of the box, a pelikano or something
in the $400 dollar range?

A company can "eat it" on 100 $400 dollar pens but not a
million $10 dollar pens. If school pens were bad writers many
of the pen companies would have been out of business fast.


That is
not to be taken literally but it seems once you get to the $100
dollar mark, bad things start happening.

Yes, please don't take that literally because literally none of my several
$100 pens ever gave me a poor experience. Zero. Zip. Zilch. They were love
affairs right out of the box as soon as they were inked and write better
than the $100 pens. However, I believe that's because their gold nibs give
a better experience overall than do steel nibs rather than it being an issue
of not writing on demand.

Gold nibs being better? That is surely personal bias. I think
your lucky to have had no problems. There really aren't many
production pens that don't need adjusting out of the box. The
cheap ones have statistical quality controll going for them as
well as gross economics.


While I agree that user pens perform better than pens meant to be
collectibles, your price range is much too narrow. I say that excellent
writers can be had for $3 - $300; pens such as the larger Pelikans or the
Omas 360, which some may need for comfort, being the exceptions. There
should be others that I don't know about.

Compare all the $100+ plus pens to what they were 40 years ago
and I think my point rings true.

For better or worse, Frank is one of my pen heros. His old
postings as well as others led me to believe my statements are
correct.

matthew

In ,
MatthewK wrote:

(The 329 was used as an example...
...
...His old
postings as well as others led me to believe my statements are
correct.

8-O With all due respect, Matthew, I hope no one has hired you as a
statistician.

Brian
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