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Old May 28th 07, 01:46 AM posted to rec.collecting.books
Mark Tandy
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I'm trying to ascertain the value of a small book that's been in our
family 'forever'. It's "Relapse, or Virtue in Danger' by Sir John
Vanbrugh. Printed 1735.

Anyone any ideas who I might ask about this item?

Cheers,
Mark
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Old May 28th 07, 02:54 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
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http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...2 &ds=30&x=70



"Mark Tandy" wrote in message
newsp.ts0hrqgkqoqtg1@pretty-22ms668m...
I'm trying to ascertain the value of a small book that's been in our
family 'forever'. It's "Relapse, or Virtue in Danger' by Sir John
Vanbrugh. Printed 1735.

Anyone any ideas who I might ask about this item?

Cheers,
Mark



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Old May 28th 07, 03:36 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
Francis A. Miniter
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foaddoc wrote:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...2 &ds=30&x=70



"Mark Tandy" wrote in message
newsp.ts0hrqgkqoqtg1@pretty-22ms668m...

I'm trying to ascertain the value of a small book that's been in our
family 'forever'. It's "Relapse, or Virtue in Danger' by Sir John
Vanbrugh. Printed 1735.

Anyone any ideas who I might ask about this item?

Cheers,
Mark




What an awful selection. Most if not all of them are disbound or rebound with
other books.

A better selection, with books in very good condition and not rebound, can be
found at:
http://used.addall.com/SuperRare/sub...lio&store=ZVAB

To the original poster, condition matters enormously in determining the price of
a piece like this.


Francis A. Miniter
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Old May 28th 07, 09:38 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
John R. Yamamoto-Wilson
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Francis A. Miniter wrote:

condition matters enormously in determining the price of a piece like this.


As well as edition, of course. The OP's edition isn't the first edition,
and won't fetch four figures (like some of the copies on AddaLL) or
anywhere near.

There aren't any comparable editions of this play on ABE or AddaLL
(everything seems to be either about forty years earlier or forty years
later), but you might try searching in both places for Vanbrugh's works
in general. There are some silly prices (a Penguin paperback edition of
four Vanbrugh plays for over $200; things like this sometimes result
from a misplaced decimal point in the listing), and the relatively high
prices for The Provok'd Husband (1728) need to be seen in light of the
fact that it was polished up after his death and 1728 is actually the
first edition.

I would say you could probably get some sense of what your volume might
be worth by comparing it with the following:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...=14&ds=30&x=59
(http://tinyurl.com/2jaqbu)

Francis is right, and condition will be the main thing determining
whether it is at the higher or lower end of that spectrum.

John
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Old May 28th 07, 11:20 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
Mark Tandy
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Thanks Francis. Input appreciated.

Mark



On Tue, 29 May 2007 00:36:19 +1000, Francis A. Miniter
wrote:

foaddoc wrote:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...2 &ds=30&x=70
"Mark Tandy" wrote in message
newsp.ts0hrqgkqoqtg1@pretty-22ms668m...

I'm trying to ascertain the value of a small book that's been in our
family 'forever'. It's "Relapse, or Virtue in Danger' by Sir John
Vanbrugh. Printed 1735.

Anyone any ideas who I might ask about this item?

Cheers,
Mark


What an awful selection. Most if not all of them are disbound or
rebound with other books.

A better selection, with books in very good condition and not rebound,
can be found at:
http://used.addall.com/SuperRare/sub...lio&store=ZVAB

To the original poster, condition matters enormously in determining the
price of a piece like this.


Francis A. Miniter




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Old May 28th 07, 11:23 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
Mark Tandy
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Thanks John. Input appreciated.

Mark



On Tue, 29 May 2007 06:38:33 +1000, John R. Yamamoto-Wilson
wrote:

Francis A. Miniter wrote:

condition matters enormously in determining the price of a piece like
this.


As well as edition, of course. The OP's edition isn't the first edition,
and won't fetch four figures (like some of the copies on AddaLL) or
anywhere near.

There aren't any comparable editions of this play on ABE or AddaLL
(everything seems to be either about forty years earlier or forty years
later), but you might try searching in both places for Vanbrugh's works
in general. There are some silly prices (a Penguin paperback edition of
four Vanbrugh plays for over $200; things like this sometimes result
from a misplaced decimal point in the listing), and the relatively high
prices for The Provok'd Husband (1728) need to be seen in light of the
fact that it was polished up after his death and 1728 is actually the
first edition.

I would say you could probably get some sense of what your volume might
be worth by comparing it with the following:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...=14&ds=30&x=59
(http://tinyurl.com/2jaqbu)

Francis is right, and condition will be the main thing determining
whether it is at the higher or lower end of that spectrum.

John




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Old May 28th 07, 11:41 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
Mark Tandy
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Hi John,
How can we tell what edition we have and what is 'the OP's edition'?

Cheers,
Mark




On Tue, 29 May 2007 08:23:10 +1000, Mark Tandy wrote:

Thanks John. Input appreciated.

Mark



On Tue, 29 May 2007 06:38:33 +1000, John R. Yamamoto-Wilson
wrote:

Francis A. Miniter wrote:

condition matters enormously in determining the price of a piece like
this.


As well as edition, of course. The OP's edition isn't the first
edition, and won't fetch four figures (like some of the copies on
AddaLL) or anywhere near.

There aren't any comparable editions of this play on ABE or AddaLL
(everything seems to be either about forty years earlier or forty years
later), but you might try searching in both places for Vanbrugh's works
in general. There are some silly prices (a Penguin paperback edition of
four Vanbrugh plays for over $200; things like this sometimes result
from a misplaced decimal point in the listing), and the relatively high
prices for The Provok'd Husband (1728) need to be seen in light of the
fact that it was polished up after his death and 1728 is actually the
first edition.

I would say you could probably get some sense of what your volume might
be worth by comparing it with the following:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...=14&ds=30&x=59
(http://tinyurl.com/2jaqbu)

Francis is right, and condition will be the main thing determining
whether it is at the higher or lower end of that spectrum.

John







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Old May 29th 07, 12:13 AM posted to rec.collecting.books
John R. Yamamoto-Wilson
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Mark Tandy wrote:

How can we tell what edition we have


Well, you seem to know the year. Can you find the publisher? That
information is usually given on what's called the colophon page, which
is generally at the front of the book, often on the reverse side of the
title page. However, 18th century books often give all those details on
the title page itself.

what is 'the OP's edition'?


That's the one you've got; you are the OP (original poster) in this thread.

Many books of that period have a complicated printing history (there are
often separate editions for Ireland and Scotland, for example, and books
may be reprinted by separate publishers over a period of years), so it
may not always be possible to say that your copy is the 27th edition,
for example, or the 35th. The main thing is to find out when the first
edition was published. You can usually get that from ABE or AddaLL
listings or from library catalogues. Here is a good metacatalogue, that
gives library listings for a large number of libraries:

http://www.vialibri.net/library_search.php

Once you've established that the book in question is or isn't a first
edition you can start comparing with other books of the same type. An
18th century reprint edition of a 17th century play will compare with
other similar reprint editions. If you can find one of comparable type
in comparable condition to yours listed on ABE or AddaLL then at least
you know what one dealer is asking for something that is in the same
ballpark as what you have in your hands.

That isn't always 100% helpful, though; another dealer might ask a
different price and, anyway, these are *asking* prices; they might not
actually sell at that price. Also, these are dealers' prices and you are
not a dealer. Your best chance of realising anything approaching
dealers' prices is probably eBay. Take a look there, too, and see what
kinds of prices comparable works are fetching.

John
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Old May 29th 07, 06:10 AM posted to rec.collecting.books
Mark Tandy
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Thanks again John for sharing your time, effort and knowledge.

Mark



On Tue, 29 May 2007 09:13:41 +1000, John R. Yamamoto-Wilson
wrote:

Mark Tandy wrote:

How can we tell what edition we have


Well, you seem to know the year. Can you find the publisher? That
information is usually given on what's called the colophon page, which
is generally at the front of the book, often on the reverse side of the
title page. However, 18th century books often give all those details on
the title page itself.

what is 'the OP's edition'?


That's the one you've got; you are the OP (original poster) in this
thread.

Many books of that period have a complicated printing history (there are
often separate editions for Ireland and Scotland, for example, and books
may be reprinted by separate publishers over a period of years), so it
may not always be possible to say that your copy is the 27th edition,
for example, or the 35th. The main thing is to find out when the first
edition was published. You can usually get that from ABE or AddaLL
listings or from library catalogues. Here is a good metacatalogue, that
gives library listings for a large number of libraries:

http://www.vialibri.net/library_search.php

Once you've established that the book in question is or isn't a first
edition you can start comparing with other books of the same type. An
18th century reprint edition of a 17th century play will compare with
other similar reprint editions. If you can find one of comparable type
in comparable condition to yours listed on ABE or AddaLL then at least
you know what one dealer is asking for something that is in the same
ballpark as what you have in your hands.

That isn't always 100% helpful, though; another dealer might ask a
different price and, anyway, these are *asking* prices; they might not
actually sell at that price. Also, these are dealers' prices and you are
not a dealer. Your best chance of realising anything approaching
dealers' prices is probably eBay. Take a look there, too, and see what
kinds of prices comparable works are fetching.

John




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