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Crowne plaza show
It was terrible.
What a waste of 2 days. |
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The show was fine, a good selection of dealers, lots of new material, great
hall - its just that the public didn;t turn up - I personally thought that being so close to NYC would attract the NY crowd - evidently not - pity. Dee had done a great job of organising the show, with lots of appropriate advertising. But it seems like the card collecting communty would rather become Ebay computer potatoes and pay ridiculously high prices on Ebay rather than spend a few hours searching shows and communicating with fellow collectors. Isn't that what the hobby is all about???? Dave Grimes Check out my WEB Page at http://members.aol.com/noblegb/page/text.html |
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Beamer wrote in message ...
It was terrible. What a waste of 2 days. It was terrible it what way? Jon |
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David,
You say the show was "fine". Is that from the standpoint of a dealer or a shopper. As a shopper, maybe you found some good deals and great items to bring home. As a dealer, those of us who still believe in the idea of doing a show and HATE ebay with every fiber because of what it has done to this once exciting fun hobby? The show was a huge dissapointment. Do you know what the tables cost? A night at the hotel, driving 4 hours each way, gas, tolls, setting up and tearing down your inventory only to have made less money than you laid out to do the show. I stand by my original statement. If this is any hint of what the furure has to offer the non-sport dealer then I think it may mean the end of doing shows... NobleGB wrote: The show was fine, a good selection of dealers, lots of new material, great hall - its just that the public didn;t turn up - I personally thought that being so close to NYC would attract the NY crowd - evidently not - pity. Dee had done a great job of organising the show, with lots of appropriate advertising. But it seems like the card collecting communty would rather become Ebay computer potatoes and pay ridiculously high prices on Ebay rather than spend a few hours searching shows and communicating with fellow collectors. Isn't that what the hobby is all about???? Dave Grimes Check out my WEB Page at http://members.aol.com/noblegb/page/text.html |
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Jon,
Maybe 200 people showed up for the show. It cost more money to buy tables, drive to the show, set up, stay overnight then pack it all up and go home with less product than you came with but you spent more money to do the show then you made doing it. That's a sad state of affairs in this hobby. In general, very few people go to the shows anymore because you can sit in your den, go on line, find exactly what you want and never be more than 20 feet from a bathroom or the kitchen. And the stuff gets shipped right to your door. Jon Doyle wrote: Beamer wrote in message ... It was terrible. What a waste of 2 days. It was terrible it what way? Jon |
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Yah know, I haven't attended a show as a collector since 1996 and as a
dealer since 1997, so I ahve no right to voice thoughts on this topic, but having said THAT, I'll talk anyway. I admire those folks who do all of what you mentined below and more, it's an amazingly tough way to stay involved in the hobby. My hats off to you and the promoters. It's been obvious for many years that there are advantages to the Internet. MAny of the new generation of card collectors haven't ever done anything BUT use the Internet and Ebay and it seems like only the *old crowd* clings to the shows. Good or bad? Good, I think. There is something to be said for getting off own's duff and getting out to shows. So, what do people think might work to get people into shows? Keeping costs in mind, of course. Lynne "Beamer" wrote in message ... Jon, Maybe 200 people showed up for the show. It cost more money to buy tables, drive to the show, set up, stay overnight then pack it all up and go home with less product than you came with but you spent more money to do the show then you made doing it. That's a sad state of affairs in this hobby. In general, very few people go to the shows anymore because you can sit in your den, go on line, find exactly what you want and never be more than 20 feet from a bathroom or the kitchen. And the stuff gets shipped right to your door. Jon Doyle wrote: Beamer wrote in message ... It was terrible. What a waste of 2 days. It was terrible it what way? Jon |
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Subject: Crowne plaza show
From: "Lynne Stewart" Date: 11/16/04 8:06 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Yah know, I haven't attended a show as a collector since 1996 and as a dealer since 1997, so I ahve no right to voice thoughts on this topic, but having said THAT, I'll talk anyway. I admire those folks who do all of what you mentined below and more, it's an amazingly tough way to stay involved in the hobby. My hats off to you and the promoters. It's been obvious for many years that there are advantages to the Internet. MAny of the new generation of card collectors haven't ever done anything BUT use the Internet and Ebay and it seems like only the *old crowd* clings to the shows. Good or bad? Good, I think. There is something to be said for getting off own's duff and getting out to shows. So, what do people think might work to get people into shows? Keeping costs in mind, of course. Lynne I'll pop in on this one... I've been a dealer and collector for almost 15 years. Before ebay, shows were everywhere in the Balt-DC area, as well as stores for that matter. The internet has taken a very big bite out of "Real World" retail and many show promoters/stores/dealers are no longer involved with traditional NonSport Cards. As a retailer/collector, I find great deals on newer product. Example...I just purchased some 6 feet under unopened boxes for below Rittenhouse wholesale cost. That's incredible, why would I buy any where else? I still enjoy doing some shows just for the collector/customer that has looked everywhere for a certain card or set and finds it at MY table and vice-versa. I usually spend quite a lot of money at the Philly Show looking for vintage cards and promos. It it almost impossible for me to list every card I have for sale on ebay. That personal interaction is great -- when you make money. As a dealer, if you do not pay for your daily expenses, you've basically GIVEN AWAY cards. How can we get more people to attend shows?? I'm afraid that Prices have to be competitive with ebay... Card Companies should reduce the number of all cards distributed in the boxes and even the amount of boxes produced. There are way too many regular singles. You get an average of 35+ sets per case of any newer product. Auto Cards? 3-4 to a box anymore. This reduces the amount of money you can get for them. Sketch Cards hold their value because of low production. If availabilty of all cards were reduced...more money could be made at shows. Better than ebay deals could be found at shows since you are able to negotiate right on the spot and do not have bid against anyone. I really would like to return to the early 1990's days of card production. Remember when a "skymotion" card (1:720 packs) was a great find for $100.00??? And you could see sets sell for $20 a piece? Trade values go up and when I could get a NSU valued $25 set for $15, I was a happy collector! Show me a new base set that generates $25.00 anywhere? You can't blame anyone for low prices on cards except the manufacturers who flood the market. I also have to say that NonSport Update card prices for new basic base sets are way off the mark. If I could not get so many base sets in a case, I would not list them for $2.49 on eBay. Mike Surratt www.mikzcardz.com |
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Bear in mind, I'm discussing, not flaming But, wow, I can't say I agree with this. Or at least I'd have to ask how one can say on one hand to reduce production and then say one wants to go back to early 1990's prodction, I mean....wow, in Trekland anyway, that was the era of MASSIVe over production. Sets and Skymotions got what they got back then cause people broke by the packs, not the multi-cases and one might only find one or two items like that in a whole region, let alone 25 of 'em on Ebay in any given day. Production isn't fully the issue, lack of competition was then. Only a few dealers broke in bulk and they were at shows able to charge quite a bit. Only a very few now are at the mercy of the dealer behind the glass who can get away with charging whatever he wants and you GOTTA buy it cause you really want that card. A collector can now chose between many dealers and that has made prices competetive. On the other hand, the dealer might get a chance to generate a larger client base then what he can generate locally with less overhead... SkyBox produced runs of 16,000 for TOS One and cards limited to 500 generate (and still do) sales of $500. The Enterprise series I II and III with print runs of 8,000 (approx) generates limited autos (300-500) and in many cases, a seller can get about $50 for them. Something has changed, and I don't think it lays fully at feet of production numbers. Lynne I really would like to return to the early 1990's days of card production. Remember when a "skymotion" card (1:720 packs) was a great find for $100.00??? And you could see sets sell for $20 a piece? Trade values go up and when I could get a NSU valued $25 set for $15, I was a happy collector! Show me a new base set that generates $25.00 anywhere? You can't blame anyone for low prices on cards except the manufacturers who flood the market. I also have to say that NonSport Update card prices for new basic base sets are way off the mark. If I could not get so many base sets in a case, I would not list them for $2.49 on eBay. Mike Surratt www.mikzcardz.com |
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It becomes diffucult, I think, to put the geine back into the bottle .The
days of 6 card insert sets at a 1:12 ratio are gone. Good or bad is a moot point. I'd rather figure out a way to take what we have now, in the current format of production and Ebay and yet still find a way to generate off-line buzz and let's figure it out quick cause I'm coming to Philly in the spirng and I wanna see it ROCK Lynne "MIKZCARDZ" wrote in message ... Hi Lynne -- I'm flame proof lately ::smile:: Yes, I agree that Skybox over-ran the market in regards to Star Trek. Let's face it though, it was much more affordable to buy a box or two and to complete a set of cards, minus the HTF holos. Skybox also over produced those TNG sets and they fell dramatically in price in a short time. I'm not blaming all the decline of the hobby on manufacturers... But, let's take a set like Marvel Masterpieces '92 -- Tin cards, 5 Foil Inserts and a 100-card set. You could make money selling this set (still can) and trying to complete the promo set was very difficult and FUN! I miss those sets from the 90's... Mike Surratt Subject: Crowne plaza show From: "Lynne Stewart" Date: 11/16/04 2:54 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Bear in mind, I'm discussing, not flaming But, wow, I can't say I agree with this. Or at least I'd have to ask how one can say on one hand to reduce production and then say one wants to go back to early 1990's prodction, I mean....wow, in Trekland anyway, that was the era of MASSIVe over production. Sets and Skymotions got what they got back then cause people broke by the packs, not the multi-cases and one might only find one or two items like that in a whole region, let alone 25 of 'em on Ebay in any given day. Production isn't fully the issue, lack of competition was then. Only a few dealers broke in bulk and they were at shows able to charge quite a bit. Only a very few now are at the mercy of the dealer behind the glass who can get away with charging whatever he wants and you GOTTA buy it cause you really want that card. A collector can now chose between many dealers and that has made prices competetive. On the other hand, the dealer might get a chance to generate a larger client base then what he can generate locally with less overhead... SkyBox produced runs of 16,000 for TOS One and cards limited to 500 generate (and still do) sales of $500. The Enterprise series I II and III with runs of 8,000 (approx) generates limited autos (300-500) and in many cases, a seller can get about $50 for them. Something has changed, and I don't think it lays fully at feet of production numbers. Lynne I really would like to return to the early 1990's days of card production. Remember when a "skymotion" card (1:720 packs) was a great find for $100.00??? And you could see sets sell for $20 a piece? Trade values go up and when I could get a NSU valued $25 set for $15, I was a happy collector! Show me a new base set that generates $25.00 anywhere? You can't blame anyone for low prices on cards except the manufacturers who flood the market. I also have to say that NonSport Update card prices for new basic base sets are way off the mark. If I could not get so many base sets in a case, I would not list them for $2.49 on eBay. Mike Surratt www.mikzcardz.com |
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