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So Wrong They're Right
Our local "arthouse" cinema is screening Forster's film this Friday
night. I am presuming it will be via video and overhead rather than a film print. As I recall it was shot on 16mm film? Or was it videotaped? Seems to me they ran it years ago and it was projected on film but I may be mistaken. Hopefully they did not get a hold of one of those videos like Bob bought from Trip! Apparently that one did not show well. Anyway, the other thing is if you bring along an 8 track tape you get a 2 for 1 admission. Sounds like a pretty sweet way to get rid of some One Thousand Strings Do Montovani. I intend to bring along a portable unit and annoy people in the lobby. Not yet decided what to play though. Probably Guess Who, this being Winnipeg and all. Saturday night they screen Alan Zweig's _Vinyl_, another great quirky piece on obsession and collecting discarded formats. See it if you get a chance. WWW |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:24:08 GMT, "William W Western"
wrote: Our local "arthouse" cinema is screening Forster's film this Friday night. I am presuming it will be via video and overhead rather than a film print. As I recall it was shot on 16mm film? Or was it videotaped? snip The original was shot in 16mm, the epilog was shot on VT. The cinematography of "SWTR" is typical hand held Bolex work, but has that "artsy fartsy" feel to it that the later VT'd section does not. The epilog is more like a PBS show that didn't make it, while the film has that "film school" cachet to it similar to what Michael Moore's stuff had in the beginning before he went big-time. Seems to me they ran it years ago and it was projected on film but I may be mistaken. Hopefully they did not get a hold of one of those videos like Bob bought from Trip! snip Let's hope not. What a fraud. I really don't know if Foster had 16mm prints in distribution, especially since he didn't even have the thing copyrighted until Noodles pulled his eBay shenanigans. Anyway, the other thing is if you bring along an 8 track tape you get a 2 for 1 admission. Sounds like a pretty sweet way to get rid of some One Thousand Strings Do Montovani. I intend to bring along a portable unit and annoy people in the lobby. Not yet decided what to play though. Probably Guess Who, this being Winnipeg and all. snip Good choice for the home town crowd! Maybe you could ring up Burton Cummings to come lip synch to the player. Saturday night they screen Alan Zweig's _Vinyl_, another great quirky piece on obsession and collecting discarded formats. See it if you get a chance. snip Equally quirky as "SWTR," "Vinyl" is an eye opener for the uninitiated. I think in "Vinyl," Zweig sought out more "nuts" than did Forster...because 8 track, I think, has more "nuts per capita" than any other format, so Forster didn't have to hunt that hard for them. My dealings with vinyl dealers and collectors show them a bit more sane and mainstream than what I've been exposed to in 8 track, although some of the more compulsive collectors can appear to be quite daft and in need of medication. 45 single collectors seem to fit that niche nicely, while classical LP collectors are just plain folks. Rock LP collectors seem to be somewhere in the middle ground. Classical/oddball collectors are fastidious about vinyl cleanliness and handling, while rock collectors use their discs as Frisbees and wonder why they sound like crap. Perceptions of grading aren't universal, either. The Classicalists rate as "VG" records which probably should rate an "E" or "NM", while rockers rate discs as "E" that have more fingerprints on them that the FBI'S AFIS system. Another new area of obsessive/compulsive collectomania is in the mp3 arena, especially the "Whitburn" collectors, who have to have every record ever released on their iPods. So far, the only people who seem interested in these folks are the RIAA's theft patrols. dB |
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Bob, you are very well informed. Great posts when you get off
the Trippin' Soapbox. The original was shot in 16mm, the epilog was shot on VT. "artsy fartsy" feel to it that the later VT'd section does not. that "film school" cachet On an obsolete format film note. Kodak dropped the bomb earlier this year that they are discontinuing Kodachrome 40 Super 8 filmstock. Oddly, it has actually sold better the last ten years than the years immediately after the advent of home video. It is a gorgeous filmstock, and though Kodak has introduced a new Ektachrome cartridge, may spell the end of the flurry of super 8 film-making activity seen the past little while. Cost of the new stock will probably mean small gauge film-making will head to 16mm Country for good. Course, film is on shaky ground no matter what gauge, so taking away what is sort of the Grade School (8mm, Super 8) of film-making seems shortsighted. Who is actually running Kodak these days? Good choice for the home town crowd! Maybe you could ring up Burton Cummings to come lip synch to the player. He is probably down your way in L.A., though he is back here a fair bit to visit his Mum, look into his interest in a local chain of resteraunts, and generally **** people off. Still has the pipes though. Equally quirky as "SWTR," "Vinyl" is an eye opener for the although some of the more compulsive collectors can appear to be quite daft and in need of medication. A good point. Some of the people in Vinyl depress me. WWW |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:47:02 GMT, "William W Western"
wrote: On an obsolete format film note. Kodak dropped the bomb earlier this year that they are discontinuing Kodachrome 40 Super 8 filmstock. Oddly, it has actually sold better the last ten years than the years immediately after the advent of home video. It is a gorgeous filmstock, and though Kodak has introduced a new Ektachrome cartridge, may spell the end of the flurry of super 8 film-making activity seen the past little while. Cost of the new stock will probably mean small gauge film-making will head to 16mm Country for good. snip This has been a long time in coming. 16mm, being the base guage for industrial film, will last awhile longer, but not much. Who is actually running Kodak these days? snip Corporate goons, who else? Kodak's stock was slipping because they weren't "digital enough" to please the Wall Street scammers, so their new CEO has gone on a rampage to cede all film markets to overseas competition and concentrate on retail point of sale digital stuff, like those kiosks for the clueless to use to get prints off their digital cameras. He is probably down your way in L.A., though he is back here a fair bit to visit his Mum, look into his interest in a local chain of resteraunts, and generally **** people off. Still has the pipes though. snip He left quite a reputation with studios down here back when they were a big item, that's for sure. A good point. Some of the people in Vinyl depress me. snip Mental illness isn't pretty, and we've seen quite a lot of that in here of late. I agree that "Vinyl" is a fairly depressing commentary on the human condition. dB |
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I would not waste my time going to see that movie in the cinema. It
starts out being about 8-tracks and decks, but then slowly degrades to a platform on the gay lifestyle and left-wing liberalism. In the movie you'll see interviews with lesbians and film footage of gay men dancing together in a gay disco bar- with a gay dj playing 8-tracks. Seeing it in public, others may very well think you are gay or weird also. If you have to pay one 8-track to get in, you are actually overpaying. FWIW, Russ Forster has a username on Ebay and all he sells is CD's- he used and then sold out the 8-track community IMO. He's not a diehard 8-track collector, he basically rode the wave of 8-track resurgence in the 1990's, and got his rocks off having people send him letters to put in his 8 Track Mind pamphlet- and when it subsided, he jumped off and went digital. He openly admits to not being into 8-tracks during their heyday in the 1960's or 1970's- and didn't even try the format out until the 1980's. Ebay feedback link- you can make your own deductions. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...=russelforster If I was you, I would not be caught dead attending that movie in public. The movie has a few shining moments, but overall it comes off as weird. Russ was also vehemently anti-copyright, which may be why the movie was not registered with the U.S. Copyright office. That was one of his redeeming qualities in my opinion- and what I thought was pretty cool about him, at one time. Overall he seemed to think that 8-tracks should be synonymous with personal weirdness, "geek nation" thoughts, and extreme left-wing radical political stance, and anti-Americanism. Obviously his is a faulty view of the hobby- so be forewarned. |
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So Wrong They're Right Group: alt.collecting.8-track-tapes Date: Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 4:19am (EDT-3) From: (66FOURDOOR) I would not waste my time going to see that movie in snip However, you WOULD waste your time dubbing copies of that film and selling them on ebay. Of course it's too much to ask you to shut the fuk up, as you simply don't know how. No matter. There are plenty of people to back up Russ. You, on the other hand.... |
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actually, I was communicating with someone last week, who said they
would not mind having a copy of the movie on VHS, but they specifically asked if the gay parts can be cut out of the movie |
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Actually if you watch the film, there's only two guys towards the end
of the film that are openly gay, which leads to the nightclub scene, and one guy that might be suspect. Three people out of two dozen or so interviewed does not make a gay film IMHO. The film is being released on dvd through Other Cinema on August 30th. I would expect a small upswing in collectors after that. I've heard about VINYL, but cannot find a copy of it. Is it out on dvd? marc |
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what about the 10 gay couples dancing in the gay bar near the end ?
and the interview with the lesbian poet near the beginning ? You need to watch the film again and you'll notice all these undertones. What is cool about the film is this: The opening shot of an AC motored deck with case removed, playing a tape. That deck is one of the diehard deck designs of all 8-trackdom, and is a play-only design I've seen utilized in many high-end units with AC motors and large capstans. The film goes on to an interview with some techies and store owners, with an Akai 81D sitting on the steps next to one guy. Another great shot and an 8-track deck that is a heavy hitter. Eventually the film leads to a fella from down South, holding a Telex Viking deck, and talking about it in not-so technical fashion- but at least we get to see a real live Telex Viking, which among true 8-trackers ranks among the top 3 best playback decks ever made- it not the best sounding bar none. This same guy has a diagram describing digital vs. analog sound- and while very basic he obviously has a good ear and can tell that analog is better. The tape fixing sequence is a bit chumpy- the fixer snaps off the cart tabs rather than just opening them- ouch ! Then fixes the tape with scotch tape, and doesn't even replace the sensing foil. Overall the film leans towards liberal slacker mentality, rather than towards 8-tracking hobby and sensibility. The 1990's slacker fad died long ago, and with it this movie's desireability. My advice is, don't buy the movie in DVD or VHS, and don't pay to see it in the cinema- find someone with a copy and just dub yourself a copy. That's about all it's worth. |
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