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See why the MSM should be questioned?
On Feb 25, 9:15*am, "mazorj" wrote:
"Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "PC" wrote in message ... "oly" wrote in message .... This is an example of why the MSM (main stream media) should be questioned in all time and all places. I agree. *The conservative bias in the media is quite evident. The basic problem is that there are far more media than news. If by "more media" you include the need to feed the 24/7 news beast that the Internet has created, then you've put your finger on one of the primary reasons for the decline in the quality of journalism. Mainly - fewer people pay for news. |
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"mazorj" wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "PC" wrote in message ... "oly" wrote in message ... This is an example of why the MSM (main stream media) should be questioned in all time and all places. I agree. The conservative bias in the media is quite evident. The basic problem is that there are far more media than news. If by "more media" you include the need to feed the 24/7 news beast that the Internet has created, then you've put your finger on one of the primary reasons for the decline in the quality of journalism. An enormous quantity but very little quality, I have given up watching the news on TV in the UK as it has been very much dumbed down, I also don't like the throbbing background music that seems essential when the news are being read, as news is plural is are correct or not? Many camera men have contracted Parkinson's Disease as few are now capable of holding their camera steady, have streadycam gone out of business? Billy Television news actually started the decline in the 1970s. Consultants perpetrated a tidal wave of make-overs at local stations. That's when you started to see practices such as "if it bleeds, it leads," gimmicks like "dramatic" music and inane graphics, silly featurette stories like the iconic segment on water-skiing squirrels, the incorporation of PR video into supposedly "straight reporting," and "happy chatter" between co-anchors. Serious, solid journalism took third place behind ratings and a never-ending demand for even higher profitability. Unfortunately, the consultants proved to be right about what attracts viewer eyeballs. A few years ago one station - IIRC, in Detroit - tried to buck the trend by going back to a serious news/journalism format. Their noble experiment tanked after a few months. As with governments, we get the news shows that we deserve. But it sounds like you are bursting one long-held, cherished delusion. Has the Beeb's TV reporting sunk to that level too? There is no TV news channel in the UK that's watchable unless your IQ matches your shoe size. Billy |
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"note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "PC" wrote in message ... "oly" wrote in message ... This is an example of why the MSM (main stream media) should be questioned in all time and all places. I agree. The conservative bias in the media is quite evident. The basic problem is that there are far more media than news. If by "more media" you include the need to feed the 24/7 news beast that the Internet has created, then you've put your finger on one of the primary reasons for the decline in the quality of journalism. An enormous quantity but very little quality, I have given up watching the news on TV in the UK as it has been very much dumbed down, I also don't like the throbbing background music that seems essential when the news are being read, as news is plural is are correct or not? Many camera men have contracted Parkinson's Disease as few are now capable of holding their camera steady, have streadycam gone out of business? Billy Television news actually started the decline in the 1970s. Consultants perpetrated a tidal wave of make-overs at local stations. That's when you started to see practices such as "if it bleeds, it leads," gimmicks like "dramatic" music and inane graphics, silly featurette stories like the iconic segment on water-skiing squirrels, the incorporation of PR video into supposedly "straight reporting," and "happy chatter" between co-anchors. Serious, solid journalism took third place behind ratings and a never-ending demand for even higher profitability. Unfortunately, the consultants proved to be right about what attracts viewer eyeballs. A few years ago one station - IIRC, in Detroit - tried to buck the trend by going back to a serious news/journalism format. Their noble experiment tanked after a few months. As with governments, we get the news shows that we deserve. But it sounds like you are bursting one long-held, cherished delusion. Has the Beeb's TV reporting sunk to that level too? There is no TV news channel in the UK that's watchable unless your IQ matches your shoe size. Billy Damn. The rot has spread everywhere now. |
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"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: "Jud" wrote in message ... This is very much a 'hot-button' topic for me. I have been witness to a number of newsworthy events, and have found that what actually happened and what was reported are often 2 different things. Although I enjoy reading opinions, they belong in the editorial pages, not the front page. Words taken out of context, or fabricated words find their way into the news. Sensationalism of otherwise backpage events finds its way to the forefront. "If it bleeds, it leads". • Tom Brokaw, NBC news reporting on the side impact of Chevy trucks showing how the gas tank explodes. After numerous attempts to get one to explode, NBC put detonators in the truck. No mention of fabricated news, until it came out later. That most definitely crossed the line. Most journalists' reaction was "What the hell were they thinking?" • Barbara Walters on the 20/20 news program interview with 'Buckwheat' from "The Little Rascals" shows. Turns out that the interviewee only claimed to be Buckwheat, who had died over 20 years earlier. I missed that one, but obviously they got sold a bill of goods. However, since they apparently didn't do their due diligence in researching the subject, they don't get a pass on that one, either. • Peter Arnett reporting from Kuwait City while under Scud attack from Iraq stated that they were "Chemical Weapons". Pure conjecture, and opinion. Did he or anyone in an authoritative position admit that Arnette had no basis for the characterization and that he just pulled it out of, um, thin air? While no evidence of CBW scuds was found, it was well known that such weapons existed in Iraq. http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/...on/dodscud.htm So the Israelis already feared the possibility of chemical attacks and probably assumed that that's what was happening. My guess is that Arnette or someone in his bureau would have heard from one or more local sources that the missiles contained chemicals and he just went with it. It was not an unreasonable assumption. An error, but understandable under the circumstances. If the first casualty of war is the truth, the second is the ability to gather and verify facts when you are reporting in real time and literally "under the gun". • Numerous New York Times articles that were later proven to be pure fiction. Along with a Washington Post story that won a Pullitzer Prize and any number of similar examples. Yes, reporters are like anyone else. Some are lazy or desperate or arrogant enough to think that they can do this and not get caught. There is absolutely no excuse for these examples, although it should be noted that in these instances, the reporter went through great lengths to conceal the deception from inquiring editors. It's not as though they leave that door wide open. • Oprah Winfrey plugging a book that was pure fiction as well. Only because the author already had sold everybody a complete bill of goods. There was no way for her to know that in advance. I'm not a big Oprah fan, but she gets a pass on this one. These are just a few of the national/worldwide examples of journalistic incompetence. Some of them are, and most of those are worse than simple incompetence. There are many others that I know about on a local basis. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity where ONLY facts were reported? Those ideals always were honored in the breach as well as in the practice. We just are more aware of it now because of the Internet. And as I've previously noted, the combination of cuts in news staff plus the incessant demand for higher profits through higher ratings and circulation (which in the news room translates into more sensationalistic reporting) has seriously undercut the media's ability to uphold standards and to police itself. Who, what, when, where and why. And the 'why' distinctly identified as the reporter's opinion. No, ideally the "why" should be an attributed quote from an authoritative source or derived from other attributed information, not an expression of the reporter's opinion. Sometimes the why never even gets mentioned. Believe only 1/2 of what you hear, and the remaining half to be taken with a grain of salt, because of reporters slant or incompetence in reporting the entire story. See my reply to oly for a more extended response. I basically agree although I wouldn't automatically discount half of the news I see or hear. More like ten percent. ;-) As with any human endeavor, if you expect perfection or anything close to it, you're going to be disappointed. So it would be unfair to tar the entire news industry either for its endemic minor factual errors, or for the rare willful, abhorrent acts of a small handful of rogue reporters. End of rant. We now return you to your regularly scheduled coin related discussions, already in progress. As with you, this is a "hot-button topic" for me. Oh, alright. So how about those new Lincoln cents? Anybody like them? Only if I can obtain a complete set in MS70 CAC. 8) What, they're not on eBay yet? |
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"mazorj" wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "PC" wrote in message ... "oly" wrote in message ... This is an example of why the MSM (main stream media) should be questioned in all time and all places. I agree. The conservative bias in the media is quite evident. The basic problem is that there are far more media than news. If by "more media" you include the need to feed the 24/7 news beast that the Internet has created, then you've put your finger on one of the primary reasons for the decline in the quality of journalism. An enormous quantity but very little quality, I have given up watching the news on TV in the UK as it has been very much dumbed down, I also don't like the throbbing background music that seems essential when the news are being read, as news is plural is are correct or not? Many camera men have contracted Parkinson's Disease as few are now capable of holding their camera steady, have streadycam gone out of business? Billy Television news actually started the decline in the 1970s. Consultants perpetrated a tidal wave of make-overs at local stations. That's when you started to see practices such as "if it bleeds, it leads," gimmicks like "dramatic" music and inane graphics, silly featurette stories like the iconic segment on water-skiing squirrels, the incorporation of PR video into supposedly "straight reporting," and "happy chatter" between co-anchors. Serious, solid journalism took third place behind ratings and a never-ending demand for even higher profitability. Unfortunately, the consultants proved to be right about what attracts viewer eyeballs. A few years ago one station - IIRC, in Detroit - tried to buck the trend by going back to a serious news/journalism format. Their noble experiment tanked after a few months. As with governments, we get the news shows that we deserve. But it sounds like you are bursting one long-held, cherished delusion. Has the Beeb's TV reporting sunk to that level too? There is no TV news channel in the UK that's watchable unless your IQ matches your shoe size. Billy Damn. The rot has spread everywhere now. Newsnight on BBC2 around 10.30 pm is not too bad but it tends to go too far in the other direction, all heavy stuff. Billy |
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See why the MSM should be questioned?
"PC" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 9:15 am, "mazorj" wrote: "Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "PC" wrote in message ... "oly" wrote in message ... This is an example of why the MSM (main stream media) should be questioned in all time and all places. I agree. The conservative bias in the media is quite evident. The basic problem is that there are far more media than news. If by "more media" you include the need to feed the 24/7 news beast that the Internet has created, then you've put your finger on one of the primary reasons for the decline in the quality of journalism. Mainly - fewer people pay for news. That, too, but problems on the revenue side go even deeper. Craig's List has cratered most newspapers' classified ads sections. Cable TV is diverting more local merchants' ad budgets away from big print display ads. With rare exceptions, ad revenues from their website versions don't even cover the cost of the website. Newspapers are trapped because they have to maintain a free website version of their product or risk being written off as a non-player. |
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