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Cadillac and 3-wheelers
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:38:47 -0500, "Don Phillipson"
wrote: No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes, thus likely to There is no such word as "rare". - Dan -- Daniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com |
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Murray Arnow filted:
Dan McGrath wrote: Don Phillipson wrote: No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes, thus likely to There is no such word as "rare". Daniel, you keep insisting that there is no word such as "rare." If you ever gave an explanation for this, I missed it. You and I both know that "rare is in reputable English-dictionaries, so I think the weight of this claim is upon you to prove. This coping mechanism may in part be Dan's response to my suggestion that there are *two* such words that just happen to be spelled and pronounced the same....r -- "You got Schadenfreude on my Weltanschauung!" "You got Weltanschauung in my Schadenfreude!" |
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R H Draney wrote:
Murray Arnow filted: Dan McGrath wrote: Don Phillipson wrote: No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes, thus likely to There is no such word as "rare". Daniel, you keep insisting that there is no word such as "rare." If you ever gave an explanation for this, I missed it. You and I both know that "rare is in reputable English-dictionaries, so I think the weight of this claim is upon you to prove. This coping mechanism may in part be Dan's response to my suggestion that there are *two* such words that just happen to be spelled and pronounced the same....r After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that there are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". -- David meal-twit: http://twitter.com/omrud |
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the Omrud wrote:
After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that there are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". It doesn't mean "unusual", but that doesn't make it a different word. It's another sense of the same word that means "unusual". Yet another is the one meaning "thin", as in air. It's not a distinct word as is the case with the "rare" that means "lightly cooked". That one has a separate etymology. Brian -- Day 20 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:48:24 GMT, the Omrud
wrote: R H Draney wrote: Murray Arnow filted: Dan McGrath wrote: Don Phillipson wrote: No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes, thus likely to There is no such word as "rare". Daniel, you keep insisting that there is no word such as "rare." If you ever gave an explanation for this, I missed it. You and I both know that "rare is in reputable English-dictionaries, so I think the weight of this claim is upon you to prove. This coping mechanism may in part be Dan's response to my suggestion that there are *two* such words that just happen to be spelled and pronounced the same....r After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that there are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". Again, I'm not convinced there. How is "a rare talent" different from "an unusual talent"? I see them as being the same. - Dan -- Daniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com |
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On 23 Feb 2009 22:53:10 GMT, "Default User"
wrote: the Omrud wrote: After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that there are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". It doesn't mean "unusual", but that doesn't make it a different word. It's another sense of the same word that means "unusual". Yet another is the one meaning "thin", as in air. It's not a distinct word as is the case with the "rare" that means "lightly cooked". That one has a separate etymology. The "rare" that means "unusual" and the "rare" that refers to "thin air" are historically the same word, yes. And the "rare" that means "lightly cooked" is indeed historically different from those. But would this still be the way that the average English speaker would perceive all these "rare"s? In particular, is there not a curious correlation between the connotations of "thin" and "lightly cooked"? I've wondered about this since about February 2004, when I first started thinking of the two "rare"s as "the same word" in some sense. (My fixation on the word "rare" goes all the way back to September 2000, however. I was not thinking much at all about the cooking-related meaning at that time.) - Dan -- Daniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com |
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Dan McGrath wrote:
On 23 Feb 2009 22:53:10 GMT, "Default User" wrote: the Omrud wrote: After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that there are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". It doesn't mean "unusual", but that doesn't make it a different word. It's another sense of the same word that means "unusual". Yet another is the one meaning "thin", as in air. It's not a distinct word as is the case with the "rare" that means "lightly cooked". That one has a separate etymology. The "rare" that means "unusual" and the "rare" that refers to "thin air" are historically the same word, yes. And the "rare" that means "lightly cooked" is indeed historically different from those. But would this still be the way that the average English speaker would perceive all these "rare"s? Yep. Honest. In particular, is there not a curious correlation between the connotations of "thin" and "lightly cooked"? I've wondered about this since about February 2004, when I first started thinking of the two "rare"s as "the same word" in some sense. (My fixation on the word "rare" goes all the way back to September 2000, however. I was not thinking much at all about the cooking-related meaning at that time.) No. I think that you are a human animal conditioned by evolution to find patterns in nature. This is how and why human brains grew, to process this complex pattern matching. You brain would perceives a pattern in the meanings, just as we can all see a face on Mars even though we know that it's just a formation of rocks and depressions in the surface: http://thesituationist.files.wordpre...ce-on-mars.jpg -- David meal-twit: http://twitter.com/omrud |
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Dan McGrath wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:48:24 GMT, the Omrud wrote: R H Draney wrote: Murray Arnow filted: Dan McGrath wrote: Don Phillipson wrote: No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes, thus likely to There is no such word as "rare". Daniel, you keep insisting that there is no word such as "rare." If you ever gave an explanation for this, I missed it. You and I both know that "rare is in reputable English-dictionaries, so I think the weight of this claim is upon you to prove. This coping mechanism may in part be Dan's response to my suggestion that there are *two* such words that just happen to be spelled and pronounced the same....r After a recent more lucid discussion, I at least am persuaded that there are three. "A rare talent" means something more than "unusual". Again, I'm not convinced there. How is "a rare talent" different from "an unusual talent"? I see them as being the same. Not so much different from "unusual" as from "uncommon". It's a very subtle extra meaning which gives a feeling of approval to the talent; it's not just that there are few people with this talent, but also that the talent is in some way special. -- David meal-twit: http://twitter.com/omrud |
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On 23 Feb 2009 12:46:23 -0800, R H Draney
wrote: Murray Arnow filted: Dan McGrath wrote: Don Phillipson wrote: No: three-wheeled motorcycles are rare but familiar to N.American readers. They are usually big, high-powered bikes, thus likely to There is no such word as "rare". Daniel, you keep insisting that there is no word such as "rare." If you ever gave an explanation for this, I missed it. You and I both know that "rare is in reputable English-dictionaries, so I think the weight of this claim is upon you to prove. This coping mechanism may in part be Dan's response to my suggestion that there are *two* such words that just happen to be spelled and pronounced the same....r So you mean, when you referred to "two words" you were merely *suggesting* that I think of "rare" that way? Actually, I probably *did* think of "rare" as more or less two different words for several years. Until Feb. 2004, that is. It was then that I discovered that several correlations existed between "rare" ( L. "rarus") and "rare" ( OE "hrer"). And, because of this, I began to think of these as the same word -- I mentally married them, so to speak. But I guess I'm no longer sure whether those correlations make sense to me, and that's why I've been having trouble with "rare". I certainly don't want to divorce the two "rare"s, though. - Dan -- Daniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:10:48 GMT, the Omrud
wrote: Again, I'm not convinced there. How is "a rare talent" different from "an unusual talent"? I see them as being the same. Not so much different from "unusual" as from "uncommon". It's a very subtle extra meaning which gives a feeling of approval to the talent; it's not just that there are few people with this talent, but also that the talent is in some way special. Sorry. I see "rare" and "uncommon" as having the same meaning in that context. To me, anything that can be called an "uncommon talent" can also be called a "rare talent". - Dan -- Daniel G. McGrath Binghamton, New York e-mail: dmcg6174[AT]gmail[DOT]com |
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