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Hi Roger,
I'm not sure of anything What I like to do, is to follow the convention laid down by Australia Post. I recall when checking one issue (I think it was the desert flower) that the bulletin quoted what we know as the second type die cut, (the one that Blair refers to, that looks similar to a normal perf) was quoted as "gummed' I have never handled a new issue of this type, so I was assuming it to be a die cut water activated issue, or gummed. It is quite apparent I shall have to look into this further. Australia Post seems to quote the printer/producer as a guide rather than gum type in their catalogues, and I think I shall follow. | Rod | Are you sure that there are any die-cut gummed issues, or have I forgotten | the obvious? | Roger |
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OK have sent them,
please advise on any missing issues | it would be very kind, I check times to times on the Post website in | order to update my wantlist, but all the stamps in 1 time, grreat! ;o) | no hurries, do this when you have the time | -- | ThibauT | ben vi c'est remoi ) |
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In my "kwik vu" series in the future, I shall adopt the following. There may be just 2 types of issues "gummed" or "self adhesive" The default perf on the self adhesive ( I call it "ps") will be assumed SNP In the instance of the perf style changing, I shall add the quote "ps pem" to indicate Pemara production, the company that produces the sharper defined corner perfs. Elaboration: The differences in the die cuts are due to two different printers producing the self-adhesives. Each printer has their own die cutters for the stamps. · SNP (formerly known as Snaprint) has been the primary supplier of both booklets and rolls, and you will find that their die cut tends to have rounded corners and more pointed perfs with a size of around 11½. (I refer to these as "crowned corners") · The Pemara die cut has more clearly defined corners and sharper, more square-cut perfs with a size of around 13. (In a single stamp it can be rather difficult distinguishing the Pemara die cut from a normal sheet stamp.) Pemara has been a secondary printer when SNP have been unable meet demand. Pemara have generally supplied rolls, but I believe that they have been producing some booklets to meet Australia Post needs. |
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dear Rodney, my impression was that at least the comb-perf-look-alike as used for coils was made by Pemara, that SNP has usd at least 3 different die-cut among them the 'pointed teeths' and 2 or 3 different 'rounded teeths [or sinoid as I used to call them]. I agree that last part is the hardest to discern... groetjes, Rein On 7 Oct 2004 09:34:37 +, "Rodney" wrote: In my "kwik vu" series in the future, I shall adopt the following. There may be just 2 types of issues "gummed" or "self adhesive" The default perf on the self adhesive ( I call it "ps") will be assumed SNP In the instance of the perf style changing, I shall add the quote "ps pem" to indicate Pemara production, the company that produces the sharper defined corner perfs. Elaboration: The differences in the die cuts are due to two different printers producing the self-adhesives. Each printer has their own die cutters for the stamps. · SNP (formerly known as Snaprint) has been the primary supplier of both booklets and rolls, and you will find that their die cut tends to have rounded corners and more pointed perfs with a size of around 11½. (I refer to these as "crowned corners") · The Pemara die cut has more clearly defined corners and sharper, more square-cut perfs with a size of around 13. (In a single stamp it can be rather difficult distinguishing the Pemara die cut from a normal sheet stamp.) Pemara has been a secondary printer when SNP have been unable meet demand. Pemara have generally supplied rolls, but I believe that they have been producing some booklets to meet Australia Post needs. . |
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| dear Rodney,
| my impression was that at least the comb-perf-look-alike as used for | coils was made by Pemara. Yes I'd agree. that SNP has usd at least 3 different die-cut | among them the 'pointed teeths' and 2 or 3 different 'rounded teeths [or sinoid | as I used to call them]. I agree that last part is the hardest to discern... I havn't been aware of this, but now will keep a lookout as I sort the thousands I have recently soaked. If differing perfs arrive, I'll scan and post. I do not come into contact with many booklets, so unable to ascertain the differing types via this route. Cheers |
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Pour participer à nos (d)ébats, "Rodney"
sussurait le Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:00:37 +0800 : Hi all, | dear Rodney, | my impression was that at least the comb-perf-look-alike as used for | coils was made by Pemara. Yes I'd agree. that SNP has usd at least 3 different die-cut | among them the 'pointed teeths' and 2 or 3 different 'rounded teeths [or sinoid | as I used to call them]. I agree that last part is the hardest to discern... I havn't been aware of this, but now will keep a lookout as I sort the thousands I have recently soaked. If differing perfs arrive, I'll scan and post. I do not come into contact with many booklets, so unable to ascertain the differing types via this route. my english and my knowledge of technical terms are not good enough to understand all the differences you mentionned. as I explain in my long message about adhesive stamps, I recognise easily 2 kinds of adhesive, and with an perf gauge a 3rd kind (slight perf variation of 1/4-1/2) if anyone have pictures of each stamps, it would be more easy to understand, many thanks in advance from a franch australian collector (and as everybody knows, french people are bad english readers and writters ;o) ) -- ThibauT Best regards from Vergèze (France), city of Perrier ;o) |
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BINGO,,,,,,,,Rodney, you hit the nail on the head. The prize is a shoebox full
of 80's Australia stamps, you must pay postage and soak them. Now to get everyone in stampdom to use the simple terms like WAG, Water Activated Gum. It is a bit better than LAS, Lick And Stick. SA = Self Adhesieve here in America where we know itg all...g Ralphael the OLD master |
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| BINGO,,,,,,,,Rodney, you hit the nail on the head. The prize is a shoebox full
| of 80's Australia stamps, you must pay postage and soak them. That's a prize? more like a headache I must say, the recent peel and stick, sorry, self adhesive, do soak reasonable easily. Cold water and a longer soak (about an hour) One of my dealer colleagues figures, that soaking, if not for fun and relaxation, should be undertaken with the consideration that at the minimum wage in Australia works out at about 14 cents per minute. Soaking does have it's payoffs though, for the second time in a week I have concluded large swaps of 1000 pieces. | Now to get everyone in stampdom to use the simple terms like WAG, Water | Activated Gum. It is a bit better than LAS, Lick And Stick. | SA = Self Adhesieve here in America where we know itg all...g I don't think "know it all" is country specific, it's an individual personality trait | Ralphael the OLD master |
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I'll work on it ThibauT,
I have trouble with the 3rd type of perf variation you quote I have not seen it as yet. I'll be in touch. Rgds | as I explain in my long message about adhesive stamps, I recognise | easily 2 kinds of adhesive, and with an perf gauge a 3rd kind (slight | perf variation of 1/4-1/2) | | if anyone have pictures of each stamps, it would be more easy to | understand, many thanks in advance from a franch australian collector | (and as everybody knows, french people are bad english readers and | writters ;o) ) | | | -- | ThibauT | Best regards from Vergèze (France), city of Perrier ;o) |
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"Rodney" wrote in message ... Hi Roger, I'm not sure of anything What I like to do, is to follow the convention laid down by Australia Post. I recall when checking one issue (I think it was the desert flower) that the bulletin quoted what we know as the second type die cut, (the one that Blair refers to, that looks similar to a normal perf) was quoted as "gummed' I have never handled a new issue of this type, so I was assuming it to be a die cut water activated issue, or gummed. It is quite apparent I shall have to look into this further. Australia Post seems to quote the printer/producer as a guide rather than gum type in their catalogues, and I think I shall follow. Rod, I think that I have all of the recent Australian issues in mint corner blocks, coil strips or compete booklets as appropriate (except for a few koala reprints which I am continually on the lookout for) and the types of die cut used by both SNP and Pemara have varied from issue to issue. Usually the number of "perforations" per 2 cm differs between the two producers of P&S issues and that is a good guide to identify them with reference to a specialised catalogue. I would be extremely surprised if Australia Post did not distinguish between "conventional" issues and the P&S ones in their literature. In their Bulletin no 277, for example, they identify separate gummed and self-adhesive stamps in the Grand Prix set coming out next week. To return to my original point, I think that the only issues with genuine perforations (ie with holes between adjacent stamps) are those on conventional gum. No doubt in some issues the pattern of the die cut has been designed to make used singles appear to have the same tooth pattern as the comb perf gummed stamps - but that would seem to be for a cosmetic reason only to give comfort to the purchaser. It cannot help in removing the stamp from its backing prior to use. If you have any queries, I (and no doubt other readers) shall be delighted to identify your stamps if you place them on the web. Best regards, Roger |
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