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Old September 2nd 03, 07:21 AM
Joe
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I would like to know what you think of mint & used stamps.

In Scott (USA) & Yvert & Tellier (French) catalogue both mint & used
stamps have the same value, ( more recent ones from 1980 to nowadays)
& in Stanley Gibbons, it is the contrary, that is recent used stamps
have more value than mint (in general)

Could you tell me what is your opinion about it? I am using as
example Mauritius stamps, it may be different for other countries.

Do you consider that used recent stamps ( from the past 30 years or
so) are more valuable than mint ones or not?

Are you willing to purchase used stamps at higher than what you
normally accept for mint stamps for your collection?
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Old September 2nd 03, 12:00 PM
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(Joe) wrote in message . com...
I would like to know what you think of mint & used stamps.

In Scott (USA) & Yvert & Tellier (French) catalogue both mint & used
stamps have the same value, ( more recent ones from 1980 to nowadays)
& in Stanley Gibbons, it is the contrary, that is recent used stamps
have more value than mint (in general)

Could you tell me what is your opinion about it? I am using as
example Mauritius stamps, it may be different for other countries.

Do you consider that used recent stamps ( from the past 30 years or
so) are more valuable than mint ones or not?

Are you willing to purchase used stamps at higher than what you
normally accept for mint stamps for your collection?



My own personal opinion is that apart from a few special cases mint is
worth more than used. Generally I would expect to pay more for mint
and would almost never pay more for used examples unless the postmark
had some sort of significance that was interesting to me.

I have no idea about Mauritius, but in the UK it seems that the
majority of used stamps are cancelled with ugly wavy lines or similar.
I *think* that the prices in SG are for good cicular date stamp (CDS)
examples and the wavy line versions are worth only a fraction.

As a final thought - I can buy several bags of modern kiloware with
thousands of used stamps in, some of which will be quite collectable
for less than the cost of a years worth of mint commems.

Just my twopence worth
Mike
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Old September 2nd 03, 03:57 PM
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Date: 1 Sep 2003 23:21:06 -0700
Subject: Used recent stamps worth more than mint stamps or not?

I would like to know what you think of mint & used stamps.

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Are you willing to purchase used stamps at higher than what you
normally accept for mint stamps for your collection?


Short answer, which is all I have time for:

For ordinary stamps with ordinary cancels, such as wavy lines, no. I don't
even collect them as a rule, unless they are on a cover which has other,
more desirable attributes.

For ordinary stamps with better cancels, such as nicely placed corner CDS
cancels, yes.

For ordinary stamps with beautiful, clear SON dated cancels, absolutely! A
dealer in Ontario specializes in such Canadian stamps, and demands and gets
a premium for them. Sorry, don't know her name.

Bob Ingraham



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Old September 2nd 03, 07:46 PM
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Lotus what do you mean by :-

This happens quite often for modern Mauritian stamps, as certain
values are produced in much smaller quantities than the internal value
rate (usually the first stamp of each series),



Do you mean that the lowest face value of Mauritius stamps in a set is
worth more in used condition than the actual face value in mint
condition because the mintage is lower than other larger countries
abroad?
Even though Mauritius Postoffice issues less in quantity than most
other larger countries, it`s lowest face value of commemorative stamps
is still between 500 000 to 2 000 000, for definitive stamps the
quantity will probably be higher.
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Old September 2nd 03, 08:04 PM
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Bob Ingraham wrote in message ...

For ordinary stamps with better cancels, such as nicely placed corner CDS
cancels, yes.


Do you mean that even if the stamps don`t show the date of cancel or
don`t show the full name of postoffice, but do have a clean corner
cancel you would be willing to offer more than for mint stamps?

Another item will all smaller countries having generally small mintage
of its stamps also its used stamps will be worth more than mint
stamps if it do have the proper round date cancel? Such as the
Seychelles,Comoros, Trinidad & Tobago?

What about stamps with larger mintage that is used in other islands,
so having having a different name on its cancel, will they be worth
more because of the cancel?
I am talking for example French stamps which are issued in several
millions of each face value, but which are also in use in other
islands belonging to France, such as in Reunion island or Guadeloupe,
where they use a different cancel having the name of the island where
it has been used.

Will such French stamps having the cancel with the name of Reunion
island or Guadeloupe or other islands belonging to France be worth
more in used condition than those used in France? These islands are
called in French "DOT-TOM, Deparment Outremer - Territoire Outremer" I
think that it is tranlated into English as "Overseas
Departments-Overseas Territories"
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Old September 2nd 03, 08:20 PM
Tracy Barber
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On 2 Sep 2003 12:04:13 -0700, (Joe) wrote:

Bob Ingraham wrote in message ...

For ordinary stamps with better cancels, such as nicely placed corner CDS
cancels, yes.


Do you mean that even if the stamps don`t show the date of cancel or
don`t show the full name of postoffice, but do have a clean corner
cancel you would be willing to offer more than for mint stamps?

Another item will all smaller countries having generally small mintage
of its stamps also its used stamps will be worth more than mint
stamps if it do have the proper round date cancel? Such as the
Seychelles,Comoros, Trinidad & Tobago?

What about stamps with larger mintage that is used in other islands,
so having having a different name on its cancel, will they be worth
more because of the cancel?
I am talking for example French stamps which are issued in several
millions of each face value, but which are also in use in other
islands belonging to France, such as in Reunion island or Guadeloupe,
where they use a different cancel having the name of the island where
it has been used.

Will such French stamps having the cancel with the name of Reunion
island or Guadeloupe or other islands belonging to France be worth
more in used condition than those used in France? These islands are
called in French "DOT-TOM, Deparment Outremer - Territoire Outremer" I
think that it is tranlated into English as "Overseas
Departments-Overseas Territories"


Quite possibly. Since the number of them actually used by these
places will be less, then one may assume that they may be in more
demand by the colonial specialist.

Tracy Barber
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Old September 2nd 03, 09:48 PM
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From: (Joe)
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Date: 2 Sep 2003 12:04:13 -0700
Subject: Used recent stamps worth more than mint stamps or not?

Bob Ingraham wrote in message
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For ordinary stamps with better cancels, such as nicely placed corner CDS
cancels, yes.


Do you mean that even if the stamps don`t show the date of cancel or
don`t show the full name of postoffice, but do have a clean corner
cancel you would be willing to offer more than for mint stamps?


Basically, yes, if I were looking for particular modern stamps of some
countries, notably the U.S. and Canada and to some extent Great Britain.
These countries have for many years been incredibly sloppy with regards to
cancellations and cancellation policies. Efficiency has become the ruling
concern, and to hell with the stamps. Managers and clerks for the most part
don't understand the interest that collectors have in tidy cancellations
that convey information about the mailing, to the extent that cleanly
cancelled modern stamps are in the minority, and SON stamps are nearly
impossible to find.

If rarity is a factor in pricing, then attractively cancelled stamps should
be worth more than the same stamps in mint condition, which exist in
abundance.*All you need to obtain a modern mint stamp from these countries
is money; all you need to obtain a nicely cancelled stamp from these
countries is a lot of patience and a degree of luck.

With other countries there is less difficulty. Scandinavian stamps, for
example, are nearly always nicely cancelled, as are German stamps, and no
doubt many others that I am not aware of. (I rarely bother with any modern
stamps, except to stick them on letters; in some cases I treat them as
collateral items to my WWII and early airliner/early airmail collections,
and then generally I want mint stamps simply because they look better on web
pages and the cancel would detract from the purpose of displaying them.)

Bob

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Old September 3rd 03, 01:59 AM
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On 1 Sep 2003 23:21:06 -0700, (Joe) wrote:

I would like to know what you think of mint & used stamps.

In Scott (USA) & Yvert & Tellier (French) catalogue both mint & used
stamps have the same value, ( more recent ones from 1980 to nowadays)
& in Stanley Gibbons, it is the contrary, that is recent used stamps
have more value than mint (in general)

Could you tell me what is your opinion about it? I am using as
example Mauritius stamps, it may be different for other countries.

Do you consider that used recent stamps ( from the past 30 years or
so) are more valuable than mint ones or not?

Are you willing to purchase used stamps at higher than what you
normally accept for mint stamps for your collection?



Many things dictate value.

Popularity of Topic and Country, numbers of stamps issued,
numbers of stamps postally used, the method that the collectors
of those stamps prefer them (mint or used), etc...

Modern Canada are quite common used, so mint are more
(at least face value for postage).

Postally used stamps and covers from smaller places such
as the various camps of the British Antarctic Territory or
South Georgia would be scarcer than mint and command a premium
by stamp dealers.

Bottom line is supply and demand.
Collect what you like and remember to have FUN.

Blair





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Old September 3rd 03, 02:04 AM
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Joe wrote :

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I am talking for example French stamps which are issued in several
millions of each face value, but which are also in use in other
islands belonging to France, such as in Reunion island or Guadeloupe,
where they use a different cancel having the name of the island where
it has been used.

Will such French stamps having the cancel with the name of Reunion
island or Guadeloupe or other islands belonging to France be worth
more in used condition than those used in France? These islands are
called in French "DOT-TOM, Deparment Outremer - Territoire Outremer" I
think that it is tranlated into English as "Overseas
Departments-Overseas Territories"


Joe,

Yes it is a good translation ;-)
(Just a small typo : it is DOM instead of DOT for Département
d'Outre-Mer)

On the value of cancelled stamps from DOM-TOM, theoretically, you are
right.
But I am not aware of any special demand on modern French stamps nicely
cancelled in the DOM-TOM (i.e. with a readable place of cancel and a
date corresponding to the period of validity of the stamp).

In France, there are not so many collectors appreciating used stamps
(compared to the vast majority of people *demanding* for MNH only).
For those who collect used stamps, it is quite difficult to find the
stamps they are missing if they insist to get a stamp with a readable
date (from the period of validity).

Difficult even if (or because ?) the catalog value is much less than for
a MNH.

All this is valid for modern stamps.

Of course, for 19th century French stamps, it is a different story and
the used stamps from Guadeloupe, Martinique, Reunion, ... have a much
higher cat. value compared to their equivalents from France
"Métropolitaine" ( = Inland France ?)

HTH

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All the best,
Pierre Courtiade


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Old September 3rd 03, 01:13 PM
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The current policy of the United States Postal Service is to issue
"mailstream stamps" and "collectors' stamps".

I believe that the collectors' stamps in postally used condition will be
more valuable to future collectors than their unused counterparts.
particularly since no one knows the long term effect of the self-stick
adhesives now being used.

I now get more 30- and 40- year old U.S. commerative on mail (from
businesses purchasing discount postage) than present-day ones.

"Joe" wrote in message
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I would like to know what you think of mint & used stamps.

In Scott (USA) & Yvert & Tellier (French) catalogue both mint & used
stamps have the same value, ( more recent ones from 1980 to nowadays)
& in Stanley Gibbons, it is the contrary, that is recent used stamps
have more value than mint (in general)

Could you tell me what is your opinion about it? I am using as
example Mauritius stamps, it may be different for other countries.

Do you consider that used recent stamps ( from the past 30 years or
so) are more valuable than mint ones or not?

Are you willing to purchase used stamps at higher than what you
normally accept for mint stamps for your collection?



 




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