The first coin - addenda

"Linda" adds new definition to the word
"manic".......

Snarf. All this witty reparte and not one person has a response to my
"Mystery Coin Reprise" message? HEP ME, SUMBUDDY, PLEEZE.

It's 2:00 am on a Monday early morning in Miami. Do you know where your brain
is?

Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.
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Reid Goldsborough wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:55:07 +0100, Ian
wrote:


Arguable, but not important enough for me to do so.


Not arguable at all. Pantikapaion was not a part of Thrace. It was a
part of Skythia. There's a *misconception* out there in the minds of
many, like yours, that it was a part of Thrace because of the
shortcuts that numismatic catalogers have taken, lumping all coins to
the northeast of Greece/Macedonia in with Thracian coins and all those
to the northwest of Greece/Illyria in with Celtic coins, but if you
read the literature about ancient Thrace, you'll see that the borders
of Thrace never extended that far north.


Ah well, Frank Robinson must have a `misconception' on this too. At the
least I am in good company.


So, I take it you aren't so keen on the little Lion Obols from there?
They are usually pretty inexpensive / affordable. The ones where the
lions face is nicely centred carry a small premium (as usual with
ancients) but there shouldn't be that much difficulty in finding a
decent example.


They're just not very distinctive, in my view. Not among the earliest
coins. Not among the most impressive lion coins. I like this
particular lion depiction, of the top of its head -- pretty menacing
-- but it's executed better in the coins of Samos, where it
originated, and later on in the coins of Rhegion, a Samos colony in
Italy.


......in simpler terms...not worth a mention?

You mean my super-dense stealth cloak and tin hat didn't disguise this from
you? Oh say it isn't so!

"Jim" wrote in message
...
"Linda" adds new definition to the word
"manic".......

Snarf. All this witty reparte and not one person has a response to my
"Mystery Coin Reprise" message? HEP ME, SUMBUDDY, PLEEZE.

It's 2:00 am on a Monday early morning in Miami. Do you know where your
brain
is?

Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.
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Ok. I'll rephrase it. It leaves him with an audience of two.

Ian

Alan & Erin Williams wrote:

Ian wrote:

Whooooosh.(sounds of low flying helicopters).

It must be a very small bingo `house'.

I bet you are about the only other person who might have actually
understood a word of that.

Personally I think Michael might have made his point in simple plain
language. Instead he is off on some pseudo intellectual trip that to me
is every bit as bad as he professes Reid to be and which at the same
time leaves him with an audience of one.

Just my cartwheel 2d worth.



To which you are, of course, entitled. There is a *lot* of
chain-yanking in a low key manner in RCC, due largely to the longevity
of the community and long memories for slights and tiffs (fully aware
that I am included).

Mike's point, as I saw it in 'Plain English' is "You cannot claim to
have exhaustively researched this issue when your research is limited to
sources in one language or translations of them. Here is a contrary
opinion you have not seen."

As to being elitist...yes there is an undercurrent of 'who out-snouts
whom' and another of 'I am plainer-than-thou' which is normally part of
any hobby anyway.

I expect to see just how egalitarian Ankaaz can be when I take her by
the elbow and ask for three hours of her time in choosing an ancient
Roman Bronze coin with a purchase price of less than a baseball ticket.
;-) I do know how to make horse puree, and eagerly anticipate the glaze
in her eyes when I say "But we haven't seen them *all* yet!"

Alan
'joins no club that would have him as a member'

"Linda" ripostes......

You mean my super-dense stealth cloak and tin hat didn't disguise this from
you?

I'd say your tin hat is due for a replating. Might keep some of that lead out
of your wet conductive scalp.

BTW, way interesting ME page, especially some of those truth in a shotglass
snippet middle of the road links to "Quality" journalism. We gotta guy here who
practices the same kind of malarkey. His bull**** though, is pretty much
limited to coins, not amateur hour incendiary crapola spun on a paltry layer of
electron agendum.

Can you hear that ex-husband of yours still screaming as he flees as far as
possible?

Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 07:22:52 +0100, Ian
wrote:

Ah well, Frank Robinson must have a `misconception' on this too. At the
least I am in good company.

You're not alone. A lot of dealers and collectors have misconceptions
about this. And it's by no means only the coins of Pantikapaion.
Because of the way coins are traditionally cataloged, lumping together
under the Greek heading all coins produced by ancient civilizations of
the Mediterranean and neighboring regions except Rome, some people
believe that a Persian siglos, for instance, is a Greek coin. Etc.,
etc.

.....in simpler terms...not worth a mention?

Not worth a mention where?

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Reid Goldsborough wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 07:22:52 +0100, Ian
wrote:


Ah well, Frank Robinson must have a `misconception' on this too. At the
least I am in good company.


You're not alone. A lot of dealers and collectors have misconceptions
about this. And it's by no means only the coins of Pantikapaion.
Because of the way coins are traditionally cataloged, lumping together
under the Greek heading all coins produced by ancient civilizations of
the Mediterranean and neighboring regions except Rome, some people
believe that a Persian siglos, for instance, is a Greek coin. Etc.,
etc.


Obviously, i'm not alone. I wonder why Frank called this particular coin
he sold me as being from Pantikapaeum, Thrace. I must ask him directly.


.....in simpler terms...not worth a mention?


Not worth a mention where?


by you in relation to `lots of lion coins' a few posts previous...why I
brought it up in the first place. It is as significant as the Miletos
one, just as cheap...and from your favourite town of Pantikapaeum.

PS: Is Panti not just another name for `pants' ;-)

Ian

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:15:29 +0100, Ian
wrote:

Obviously, i'm not alone. I wonder why Frank called this particular coin
he sold me as being from Pantikapaeum, Thrace. I must ask him directly.

One interesting and fairly useful thing to keep in mind is a mistake
someone else made in this thread. Being a coin dealer doesn't make you
an expert of every type of coin you sell. Successful dealers know what
they need to know to do what they do best: sell. They're fairly good
at spotting fakes and know enough about coins to roughly attribute
lots of them and precisely attribute some of them. Mistakes are made,
not infrequently, which is one reason that Wildwinds, which
categorizes coins according to how they're attributed by dealers
considered reliable isn't as reliable as using SNG Cop. or just about
any of the other traditional attribution sources.

by you in relation to `lots of lion coins' a few posts previous...why I
brought it up in the first place. It is as significant as the Miletos
one, just as cheap...and from your favourite town of Pantikapaeum.

It's not as old. Fifth century vs. sixth. Still, it's a nice coin. You
have one?

PS: Is Panti not just another name for `pants' ;-)

Pan is thought by some to be a punning reference to Pantikapaion. The
Greek were punny, some city-states picking symbols this way. Quirky
too.

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Reid wrote:

"Pan is thought by some to be a punning reference to Pantikapaion. The Greek
were punny, some city-states picking symbols this way. Quirky too."


Thought by some?




Anka Z
Co-president of the once thriving, but now defunct, Tommy John Fan Club.
Go, Lake County Captains!

Reid wrote: "Yes indeedy!"


Always hedging your bets.

;-)





Anka Z
Co-president of the once thriving, but now defunct, Tommy John Fan Club.
Go, Lake County Captains!