Silver

In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
winwin wrote:
Gasoline:
? High demand - prices go up.
? Lower demand - prices go up. G

?Did you ever feel like you were between a rock and a hard place?

Anybody who thinks market forces operate on the petroleum market is a
dolt.

Prices rise completely independent of demand, but they predictably
fall
for the brief period before an election every two years, then shoot
back up
after the election.

Seems I asked for supporting documentation of this same claim just a couple
of weeks ago.

James


you did. bet you get the same reply. betcha.

Seems I asked for supporting documentation of this same claim just a couple
of weeks ago.

James

Are you too stupid or too lazy to look out the window at
the gas station on the corner? Exactly the same thing
happened in 2004 and 2006 -- but WTF should I do
research for someone too stupid to observe?

winwin wrote:
Seems I asked for supporting documentation of this same claim just a
couple of weeks ago.

James

On August 4, 2008 you stated,

Of course gas prices are going down --they
alwaty [sic] go down $1-$1.50 before an election."

You made the claim, you provide the documentation. Your choice of election
year.

Karl Rove makes one phone call.

You made the claim, you provide the documentation. Your choice of phone
call.

In December they will creep back over $4, just like clockwork.

You made the claim, you provide the documentation. Your choice of prior
successful precognition event on your part.

I reserve the right to have your submission reviewed by James Randi. Should
you pass muster with him, I'll split his $1,000,000 prize money with you.
And publicly apologize to you in these pages. You're in luck: Randi's
offer doesn't expire until March 6, 2010. But hurry, I expect him to be
swamped with claims to evaluate coming up, and none of us is getting any
younger.

And now, on September 2, 2008 you ask:

Are you too stupid or too lazy to look out the window at
the gas station on the corner? Exactly the same thing
happened in 2004 and 2006 -- but WTF should I do
research for someone too stupid to observe?

Now, now, profanity and name-calling are the refuge of those who have been
caught with their evidence down.

I can't "look out the window" and observe 2004 and 2006.

You made the claim, you provide the documentation. See terms above.

I'll be waitin'

James

"winwin" wrote in message
...
Seems I asked for supporting documentation of this same claim just a couple
of weeks ago.

James

Are you too stupid or too lazy to look out the window at
the gas station on the corner? Exactly the same thing
happened in 2004 and 2006 -- but WTF should I do
research for someone too stupid to observe?

Because "looking out the window" does not prove anything except whether it's raining,
especially from someone who thinks that one phone call from Rove makes gasoline prices
dance up or down.

If there's any laziness and stupidity to be found here, it's in your simplistic,
questionable assertions and your unwillingness to even attempt to document them.

For the record, according to the DOE's spreadsheet of historical prices found at
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petro...s_history.html
the average nationwide price at the pump for Regular rose from $.99.5 on Feb. 3, 1992, to
$1.12 the week of the 1992 elections. Over the same period in the off-year elections of
1994 it rose from $1.007 to $1.123. In 1996 it rose from $1.083 to $1.223. In the
off-year elections of 1998 it did not follow the upward spiral pattern, going from $1.061
to $1.010. In 2000 it rose from $1.325 to $1.526. In the off-year elections of 2002, it
rose from $1.116 to $1.448. In 2004 it rose from $1.616 to $2.034.

The off-year 2006 prices were the only other ones that didn't follow the upward spiral
pattern, going from $2.342 to $2.200. The equivalent data isn't in yet for 2008 but the
opening gun was at $2.978 and rising. It's never going to even come close to dipping
below that by Election Day.

There is a brief rise and fall in prices around a mid-summer peak (usually in July) due to
increased driving in the summer, but that is truly market-driven because it happens even
in odd-numbered years when there are no significant elections. Unlike your previous
assertion, there is a relationship between supply and demand. It may not be perfect but
it's there.

So QED, elections do not result in artificial gasoline price depressions to assist the
Republican (or the Democrat) in the races. In every case except for two off-year
elections, out of the most recent nine election years, prices rose once the campaigning
got serious and started building toward election day.

Your apology is awaited, although not expected.

Mr. Jaggers wrote:

I reserve the right to have your submission reviewed by James Randi.

You never cease to amaze me. g

In article ,
oly wrote:

You are noting a phenomena that is already well-noted elsewhere (in
the right-wing blogs).

It seems that with the coming of the silver and gold ETFs, we now have
a "paper" spot and a "physical" spot. Starting about three wees ago,
physical spot is much higher. Some people have predicted this outcome
for years.

Obviously, the ETFs don't really have all the actual precious metals
that they are supposed to have. Just another financial scandal
waiting to be uncovered.

It occured to me much later that there are some pretty big industries
such as electronics manufacturing that consume silver in large amounts.
Whatever price they are paying should probably be considered the "real"
price of silver, and it may or may not be similar to the price that an
individual pays for a bar of .999 or whatever. Any idea what manufacturers
have been paying, compared to "paper spot" and "physical spot"?

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