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On Jan 29, 10:48�am, "note.boy" wrote:
Yes paper is a renewable resource but the fuel used in the making and transportation is not. *Trees have to be cut down, transported and process into paper.... Uuuuh....no tree was harmed in the printing of this dollar bill. The Crane Paper Company uses cotton from recycled blue jeans. |
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"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... You're hitting it pretty much on the head, IMO. Way down the list of priorities on the government's money waste list. Any cost savings by not printing dollar bills would be diluted by the fact that we'd still be printing six other denominations, and eliminating one of them wouldn't silence the presses nor provide more money for pork pies. The only real savings would come by not printing ANY currency. That may yet come in some of our lifetimes. Bruce You obviously have NO idea of the percentage of total production of paper notes in the USA that's taken up by printing the useless one dollar note so your IMO should read IMOTCROTTOMHAIJALOHA, In My Opinion That Came Right Off The Top Of My Head And Is Just A Load Of Hot Air. Have a guess, it's one of these, 0%, 20%, 40%, 60%, 80% 100%. Two of the choices were deliberately included to confuse you, can you tell which two? So we are now looking for you to make three choices. The two deliberately confusing choices and the correct % figure. Since there are paper notes other than the one dollar note, I will take a chance and conclude that 0% and 100% are the two choices included to confuse, deliberately or otherwise. Beyond that, I would only be guessing. When you give the correct answer, could we please have a link to your information source. Thanks! Oh, by the way, we can and often do debate the convenience of paper vs. coin, or the economy of paper vs. coin, but I simply don't understand the charge that the one dollar note is "useless." It just doesn't match my experience, sorry. James Well spotted on the two deliberately confusing choices. :-) It is probably more accurate to say "relatively useless" as I could certainly find a use for 1,000,000 of them. Billy I've found many a use for just one of two of them. Probably will again, later today. James I'm sure you will but the scandal is they should not be getting printed due to their low value, it's a huge waste of money and ecologically bad, for reasons given elsewhere. Billy |
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"Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... You do indeed have NO idea of the % of total production of the one dollar note so have a go at spotting the two deliberately confusing choices that were included. Okay. Regardless of your sarcastic little game, I suspect that about half of our paper currency production is in one dollar notes. Does that sound like a "useless" item? Or is the US government wrong and you are right? Yup, been down to the basement again and the cardboard box STILL makes more sense than you do, do you actually READ my replies or do you just randomly thump your keyboard. Yes paper is a renewable resource but the fuel used in the making and transportation is not. Trees have to be cut down, transported and process into paper, the paper then has to be transported to the printing works and printed, more energy used in the actual printing process, the notes then have to be distributed. There is then more fuel used to withdraw and process the worn out notes. I'm astounded by your ignorance, did you think that the Papermoney Fairy magically turned trees into one dollar notes and then back to trees again when they become worn? Paper money fairy? Okay. All those things you mention above create jobs. Eliminating jobs would put people out of work. Fuel consumption is a fact of life in industry. Use of fuel in the curency printing cycle is cost effective, based on the needs and desires of the public. Oh no, you've got Buggy Whip syndrome, it's worse than I thought. Progress unavoidably results in some jobs becoming obsolete. A few examples to help you understand, many saddle makers were put out of business by the invention of the internal combustion engine, many travels agents are now being put out of business because increasing numbers of people book their holidays on the internet, it's called "progress". If you are still struggling to grasp this concept google up "industrial revolution". I will try AGAIN to explain to you how a discussion works. Oh Puhleez! Anyone but you! Do we have a volunteer to give it a go? I suspect however that it would be a simpler task to turn a chimp into a concert pianist. I post a comment, if you disagree you say so and explain why you disagree. I then reply giving the reasons why I think you are wrong, and it carries on like that. So for starters have a guess at the answer to the % question as you ignored it when asked the first time. I'll give you a clue, "blackbook". Yes the bible is often black but that's the wrong book so don't waste time looking there. Your lack of ability to construct an informed argument probably means that most are now skipping this thread. Billy Talk about irony. I'm still waiting for your answer to my question about where you get the notion that we have unaddressed currency problems in the US and that our dollar bill is useless. I was under the impression that Americans don't do irony. I'll have one last try to attempt to explain it to you Cheeta. No I won't try once more, I can't be bothered wasting any more time with you, I'm off to have a discussion with my friend the cardboard box who understands the Industrial Revolution better than you do. Billy (Tired of banking his head against a brick wall) |
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"note.boy" wrote in message ... "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... You're hitting it pretty much on the head, IMO. Way down the list of priorities on the government's money waste list. Any cost savings by not printing dollar bills would be diluted by the fact that we'd still be printing six other denominations, and eliminating one of them wouldn't silence the presses nor provide more money for pork pies. The only real savings would come by not printing ANY currency. That may yet come in some of our lifetimes. Bruce You obviously have NO idea of the percentage of total production of paper notes in the USA that's taken up by printing the useless one dollar note so your IMO should read IMOTCROTTOMHAIJALOHA, In My Opinion That Came Right Off The Top Of My Head And Is Just A Load Of Hot Air. Have a guess, it's one of these, 0%, 20%, 40%, 60%, 80% 100%. Two of the choices were deliberately included to confuse you, can you tell which two? So we are now looking for you to make three choices. The two deliberately confusing choices and the correct % figure. Since there are paper notes other than the one dollar note, I will take a chance and conclude that 0% and 100% are the two choices included to confuse, deliberately or otherwise. Beyond that, I would only be guessing. When you give the correct answer, could we please have a link to your information source. Thanks! Oh, by the way, we can and often do debate the convenience of paper vs. coin, or the economy of paper vs. coin, but I simply don't understand the charge that the one dollar note is "useless." It just doesn't match my experience, sorry. James Well spotted on the two deliberately confusing choices. :-) It is probably more accurate to say "relatively useless" as I could certainly find a use for 1,000,000 of them. Billy I've found many a use for just one of two of them. Probably will again, later today. James I'm sure you will but the scandal is they should not be getting printed due to their low value, it's a huge waste of money and ecologically bad, for reasons given elsewhere. Billy The one dollar metal coin has the same value as the paper version. Are you now suggesting that the coin should not be produced either, due to its low value? I was under the impression that your beef was with the cent, not the dollar. James |
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"note.boy" wrote in message ... it's a huge waste of money and ecologically bad, for reasons given elsewhere. Billy That's likely true for a lot of things, but their existence is justified because they are both wanted and needed. You keep arguing to try to justify your opinions, but that's all irrelevant. Things like US cent coins and dollar bills will not go away until they are no longer of any use to US citizens. Don't you realize the reason so many dollar bills are printed to replace the circulated ones shows just how much they are needed? If they were useless, they wouldn't ever wear out. The average life expectancy of the dollar bill is much shorter than that of higher denominations strictly because they get used so much more frequently. Here in the US we have a true need for these denominations, and no matter what you think, you aren't going to convince us otherwise. |
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OK, this looks like fun! Let me help stir things up a little. Keep in
mind that I am being totally satirical. What cars originally made in England are currently made elsewhere? A few that come to mind right away are Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Jaguar. How much money is 'wasted' on maintaining the royals? How good is your German, the language you would be speaking if not for the USA? Why did it take so long for the £/S/d system to disappear, and become a more functional decimal system? And my favorite-Q: Why do the Brits like their beer warm? A: Because Lucas makes their refrigerators too. Have at it Billy! 8-) |
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Just recycled jeans, no new cotton at all and no other item of cotton?
Is that why copper rivets are sometimes found in American notes? :-) The BEP gives 25% linen and 75% cotton. Billy "Phil DeMayo" wrote in message ups.com... On Jan 29, 10:48?am, "note.boy" wrote: Yes paper is a renewable resource but the fuel used in the making and transportation is not. Trees have to be cut down, transported and process into paper.... Uuuuh....no tree was harmed in the printing of this dollar bill. The Crane Paper Company uses cotton from recycled blue jeans. |
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"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... [big snip] As silliness goes, demand that the cent should exist is pretty much a lightweight, and, if you want to talk in terms of waste of taxpayers' money, hardly even registers on the radar, comparatively speaking. James You are correct of course but this is a coin NG so it is relevant. I believe that GWII is rather expensive so why does the USA Government not take a few simple steps to save a lot of money by dumping the one cent coin and one dollar note? I know the answer of course, they are politicians and have no common sense. Billy What is GWII? As far as our politicians are concerned, I'm going to guess that they are aware of the tax savings that could be effected, but also that they are aware of the likelihood and impact of public outcry. Even politicians have to choose their battles. James Gulf War II. The one that will last longer than the Vietnam War, and cost more lives and money. Billy I wondered if that wasn't it, but didn't want to be the one who injected that issue into the discussion. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't the amount of money spent on GWII in a single day eclipse the amount of money necessary to sustain the paper dollar for a whole year? Plus, nobody is killed or wounded in the production of the paper money, normally. And, it's kind of hard to inject God, Motherhood, and Apple Pie into the matter of coin and currency production costs. Maybe that's why it's all relatively invisible to the U.S. taxpayer. James The future of the one dollar note is of little interest to Joe Public I'm sure but in a numismatic news group it naturally has a higher priority for discussion. I recently spoke to someone who thought that Mary Slessor on Clydesdale £10 notes was a man, that's typical of how little interest Joe Public has in the papermoney that they handle on a daily basis. Billy |
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"Michael G. Koerner" wrote in message ... note.boy wrote: Keeping the one cent coin so that old ladies can save them in jars is no reason to keep it going. The sole purpose of the one cent coin seems to be to make change, which then goes into a jar, your aunt's habit actually supports my point of view and not yours, they don't circulate so why have them. Correction, the sole purpose for the one cent coin in today's USA is to facilitate the collection of sales taxes in those states that impose it. Now, if those states would set their sales tax rate cards to round the tax up/down to the nearest five cents instead of the nearest one cent.... At my pizza delivery job, the bottom line prices on the box labels are to the one cent, but if the customer wants the 'odd' coins back (I use Sacs as my 'default' $1 for changemaking on delivery runs), I'll just round the change up to the next even five cents, my total 'loss' on that is maybe ten cents over a really bad month. -- ___________________________________________ ____ _______________ Regards, | |\ ____ | | | | |\ Michael G. Koerner May they | | | | | | rise again! Appleton, Wisconsin USA | | | | | | ___________________________________________ | | | | | | _______________ Rounding! Rounding! You should be burned as a heretic. :-) Billy |
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"Ed Hendricks" wrote in message ... note.boy wrote: Many modern diesel engines are now so good that even the most committed petrolhead would consider buying a car that has one. Many are quicker to 60 mph than the nearest equivalent petrol engine and the MPG is about 20% to 33% better. Billy You cannot buy a diesel automobile in California. Has something to do with the state's very restrictive emmission control laws. That's a bummer. I agree that diesel-powered cars is one way to reduce fuel consumption without sacrificing power. However, if ALL cars in the world were diesel powered it would only temporarily delay the inevitable. The world needs to seriously pursue a cheap, renewable alternative energy source. -- ©¿©¬ ~ Ed Hendricks I presume that someone somewhere is working on the pollution law problem as there must be a lot of cash to be made from a diesel engine that complies. Strangely the cost of diesel in the UK was below that of petrol until diesel cars became more popular, now it's the other way round. Billy |
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