How to get rid of an eBay fraudster

Here's a quick, handy way to get rid of any particular crook you know,
notably eBay fraudsters who think they're above the law. Just print
it out and follow the instructions and submit...poof, your petty crook
problem is over...after awhile. Once they get the first letter from
the IRS, they usually go running into their bunkers to go bonkers, as
do all right wingers/petty crooks/eBay fraudsters.

Due to depleting the Treasury with his delusional "war for oil" in
Iraq, Bush Bird has instructed the IRS to start clamping down on petty
tax cheats to try to at least partially make up for the massive waste
and fraud associated with the Iraq "adventure." It's a classic case
of a big fraudster peeing on little ones. Since most scofflaws, like
eBay fraudsters, generally are tax cheats as well as being petty (or
larger) perpetrators of fraud, it's a good bet that they haven't been
paying any Federal or state taxes on their eBay booty. Submitting
this form delights the IRS, which now doesn't have to spend auditing
time determining who's a potential tax cheat...you've done the work
for them! All they have to do is launch the audit, cite the crook and
take him screaming to trial.

Try it today!

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f3949a.pdf

DeserTBoB wrote:

Desert Bob?

Is that a suggestion or a complaint? People been abandoning you in droves?


Due to depleting the Treasury with his delusional "war for oil" in
Iraq, Bush Bird has instructed the IRS to start clamping down on petty
tax cheats to try to at least partially make up for the massive waste
and fraud associated with the Iraq "adventure."

Crap.

It's a classic case
of a big fraudster peeing on little ones. Since most scofflaws, like
eBay fraudsters, generally are tax cheats as well as being petty (or
larger) perpetrators of fraud, it's a good bet that they haven't been
paying any Federal or state taxes on their eBay booty.

So how do you prove it? You have to prove that they made a profit, not
just that they trade on eBay. They can call it a hobby and say that it
costs them. When anybody sells anything, you can not know what the
payed, what it has cost in other ways, and therefore, what profit might
be involved. I am aware of a lot of people who really waste their time
on eBay, at the end of the month they would be lucky to be making four
or five dollars and hour. Not exactly going to excite the IRS.


Submitting
this form delights the IRS, which now doesn't have to spend auditing
time determining who's a potential tax cheat...you've done the work
for them! All they have to do is launch the audit, cite the crook and
take him screaming to trial.

You really are clueless.

If they DID take notice of your attempt to frame the person (because
that is what it is, you are making claims that you do not know to be
true), it would take a long time before they acted. Have you any idea
how big a case backlog they have? As for "screaming to trial" most IRS
investigations end in a voluntary agreement to settle, not a court case.
Court cases are expensive and they try to avoid them if possible,
particularly with small fish where they are unlikely to recover costs.

It is probable that nothing would happen unless the person made serious
money, and in that case, for reasons that I doubt that you, with your
total lack of fiscal clues could grasp, most would be already paying
some degree of tax. It is the losers, the bottom feeders who don't pay
any taxes at all, and they earn so little that the IRS isn't really
concerned.

Why don't you take you petty little vendetta and and wander off into the
sunset? You don't seem to be having much success here.


Salty

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:59:15 +1000, Salty wrote:

DeserTBoB wrote:

Desert Bob?

Is that a suggestion or a complaint? People been abandoning you in droves?


Due to depleting the Treasury with his delusional "war for oil" in
Iraq, Bush Bird has instructed the IRS to start clamping down on petty
tax cheats to try to at least partially make up for the massive waste
and fraud associated with the Iraq "adventure."

Crap. snip

Oh? Take a look at the articles in the LA Times, NY Times, Washington
Post, Wall St. Journal, et al. The IRS, in a recent press release,
showed that about 23% of ALL revenue shortfalls are from petty tax
cheats, and if you read the Congressional Record (that is, if you CAN
read) you'll see where the subject of taxation on eBay sales has been
buried by the crook-loving Republipedo Party time and time again, to
the detriment of the US Treasury.. (Sorry, I don't quote any stories
from the "Moonie Times" or from their fat assed op/ed minion, Tony
Blankley.)

Looks like the Moonie Church is in trouble in San Francisco for
poaching live sharks for profit! Hmmmm...I wonder how much THEY owe
in back taxes...now that it's pretty well public knowledge that
they're a profit-making enterprise?

It's a classic case
of a big fraudster peeing on little ones. Since most scofflaws, like
eBay fraudsters, generally are tax cheats as well as being petty (or
larger) perpetrators of fraud, it's a good bet that they haven't been
paying any Federal or state taxes on their eBay booty.

So how do you prove it? snip

"I" don't have to "prove it," nimrod...THEY prove it. All one has to
do is submit documentation of their eBay activities, and the IRS gets
the income amounts directly from eBay. EBay tried to resist at
first...until the IRS got "serious" with them...now, they just hand
the info over to IRS investigators upon request. The darling of the
right wingers, "Patriot Act II," also gives them far reaching access
to personal financial records, as well. Looks like the rightards have
pooped their own pants once again!

You have to prove that they made a profit, not
just that they trade on eBay. snip

Not true. The burden falls upon the fraudster to prove how much he
paid for the junk he sells, and 99% of them can't do it, or try to
falsify records. If the fraudster cannot prove cost legitimately, the
IRS decides what (if any) all the junk items cost the fraudster...and
in many cases, they figure the crap is dumpster diver trash that the
fraudster is flogging on eBay for 100% profit.

They can call it a hobby and say that it
costs them. snip

Never works. Several eBay tax cheats have tried that scam already and
have lost.

When anybody sells anything, you can not know what the
payed, what it has cost in other ways, and therefore, what profit might
be involved. I am aware of a lot of people who really waste their time
on eBay, at the end of the month they would be lucky to be making four
or five dollars and hour. Not exactly going to excite the IRS.


Submitting
this form delights the IRS, which now doesn't have to spend auditing
time determining who's a potential tax cheat...you've done the work
for them! All they have to do is launch the audit, cite the crook and
take him screaming to trial.

You really are clueless.

If they DID take notice of your attempt to frame the person (because
that is what it is, you are making claims that you do not know to be
true), it would take a long time before they acted. Have you any idea
how big a case backlog they have? As for "screaming to trial" most IRS
investigations end in a voluntary agreement to settle, not a court case.
Court cases are expensive and they try to avoid them if possible,
particularly with small fish where they are unlikely to recover costs.

It is probable that nothing would happen unless the person made serious
money, and in that case, for reasons that I doubt that you, with your
total lack of fiscal clues could grasp, most would be already paying
some degree of tax. It is the losers, the bottom feeders who don't pay
any taxes at all, and they earn so little that the IRS isn't really
concerned.

Why don't you take you petty little vendetta and and wander off into the
sunset? You don't seem to be having much success here.


Salty snip

Spoken like a true eBay fraudster and tax cheat!

Are you friends with Charlie Nudo, as well?

DeserTBoB wrote: lots of bile, pettiness and misinformation.

Very simply, if you were right these groups would have constant "Damn,
the IRS just got me.." threads.

They don't. Ergo, you are wrong.



On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:59:15 +1000, Salty wrote:

DeserTBoB wrote:

Desert Bob?

Is that a suggestion or a complaint? People been abandoning you in droves?

Due to depleting the Treasury with his delusional "war for oil" in
Iraq, Bush Bird has instructed the IRS to start clamping down on petty
tax cheats to try to at least partially make up for the massive waste
and fraud associated with the Iraq "adventure."
Crap. snip

Oh? Take a look at the articles in the LA Times, NY Times, Washington
Post, Wall St. Journal, et al.

I read them daily. There is and always has been on ongoing concern with
tax evasion. Your claim that Bush has become personally involved with
directing the IRS is what is crap.


The IRS, in a recent press release,
showed that about 23% of ALL revenue shortfalls are from petty tax
cheats, and if you read the Congressional Record (that is, if you CAN
read)

NO, never learned to read or write - I pay someone to do it for me,
using my ill-gotten eBay tax-evaded earnings.

you'll see where the subject of taxation on eBay sales has been
buried by the crook-loving Republipedo Party time and time again,

No, I don't see that at all.

to
the detriment of the US Treasury.. (Sorry, I don't quote any stories
from the "Moonie Times" or from their fat assed op/ed minion, Tony
Blankley.)

Aw shucks, and I had a beauty for you.


Looks like the Moonie Church is in trouble in San Francisco for
poaching live sharks for profit! Hmmmm...I wonder how much THEY owe
in back taxes...now that it's pretty well public knowledge that
they're a profit-making enterprise?

What have Moonies and sharks got to do with eBay tax evasion? Can you
follow and keep to a thread? Organisations like that can fight their own
battles regarding their tax status - it has nothing to do with eBay trading.


It's a classic case
of a big fraudster peeing on little ones. Since most scofflaws, like
eBay fraudsters, generally are tax cheats as well as being petty (or
larger) perpetrators of fraud, it's a good bet that they haven't been
paying any Federal or state taxes on their eBay booty.
So how do you prove it? snip

"I" don't have to "prove it," nimrod...THEY prove it.

Something else you don't know.

They won't ATTEMPT to prove it unless they are sure before they start
that they will win. They are trying to collect money, not waste it on
court expenses where they get no return. They vet each potential case
and only proceed where it is worth their while to do so. They do this
for two reasons. One, they are there to earn money for the Government,
not waste it fighting on principle. Two, if they lose too many cases in
court, it will encourage everyone to fight them. Most people, when
caught out, try to make a deal. The last thing they want is for every
successful conclusion to involve a court case.

On that basis, if the person (and there are many on eBay) claims not to
be making a profit, then unless they can easily refute that, they do not
proceed. It is not Napoleonic law, even with IRS you are innocent until
proved guilty.

Those who run shops on eBay with high turnovers and who purchase stock
regularly and locally, who leave a paper trail are easy to classify. The
IRS will have no problem with them.

With the average eBayer, those who have a stream of items from vague
sources - car boot & yard sales, old Christmas presents etc., it is
impossible to prove. The IRS won't waste time with them regardless of
how many forms you fill out. They may get a rather threatening sounding
letter asking for clarification, and many will nervously respond, but if
ignored, nothing will happen.



All one has to
do is submit documentation of their eBay activities, and the IRS gets
the income amounts directly from eBay.

Once again, final values are NOT income. Obviously you have not earned
much on eBay.

EBay tried to resist at
first...until the IRS got "serious" with them...now, they just hand
the info over to IRS investigators upon request.

More BS. eBay has always respected requests from the IRS.

The darling of the
right wingers, "Patriot Act II," also gives them far reaching access
to personal financial records, as well. Looks like the rightards have
pooped their own pants once again!

Hey, you finally said something I agree with. The Patriot act (otherwise
know as Bush' "It's Mine - All Mine!" act is a bad thing. But that has
nothing to with your fantasies about eBay.


You have to prove that they made a profit, not
just that they trade on eBay. snip

Not true. The burden falls upon the fraudster to prove how much he
paid for the junk he sells,

Absolute rubbish. You have no real knowledge of IRS. I do, I have among
my friends people who work for IRS in a senior legal capacity. They
teach on the same campus as I do, but in the legal faculty, not IT or
Journalism. The inner working of the IRS is often an interesting dinner
table subject at various functions.

The IRS sometimes bluff but they still have to abide by law - they are
not above it. It is the IRS who has to provide proof for a conviction.
When it comes to extremely large amounts, like the income from drug
running e.g., they can ask for a court decision regarding the
probability of the money being the proceeds of criminal activity, but
they still need that court decision. They can't proceed without it.

That is why I said earlier that the big earning eBayers will already be
paying taxes, and the little guys, the majority of eBayers, aren't in
the firing line. The big guys leave an audit trail with purchases and
imports - the little guys don't.

Your claim that the IRS can be used against ordinary, low income
occasional eBay sellers is ludicrous. The IRS isn't so dumb that they
can't find targets without your assistance. Similar claims are made in
bitter marriage breakups, and there it might work but only because the
spouse might have factual knowledge of evasion. You have no facts, just
suppositions and vindictiveness.

and 99% of them can't do it, or try to
falsify records. If the fraudster cannot prove cost legitimately, the
IRS decides what (if any) all the junk items cost the fraudster...and
in many cases, they figure the crap is dumpster diver trash that the
fraudster is flogging on eBay for 100% profit.

You are dreaming. You are applying IRS large scale company tax evasion
criterion to all eBayers. IRS won't chase down someone who has only had
a few dozen sales annually for small final values. If they had a gross
turnover in six figures and were not known to IRS, yes, but that is FAR
from the average eBayer. I have a fairly high eBay income and have never
had a problem with IRS.

Try reality for a change. I promise it won't hurt.


They can call it a hobby and say that it
costs them. snip

Never works. Several eBay tax cheats have tried that scam already and
have lost.

BS. There are many who do and it DOES work, but you cannot claim
deductions for costs.

What you don't realise is there are many for whom eBay *is* a hobby, a
distraction. Particularly older retired people. They get all excited on
the few occasions where they actually make a small profit, but they
still keep selling things. It is a game to them, they compete with each
other. I sometimes run adult/senior computer education course on the
campus where I lecture and eBay is invariably a subject of conversation.
These people are ordinary eBayers and they don't make much money long term.


When anybody sells anything, you can not know what the
payed, what it has cost in other ways, and therefore, what profit might
be involved. I am aware of a lot of people who really waste their time
on eBay, at the end of the month they would be lucky to be making four
or five dollars and hour. Not exactly going to excite the IRS.


Submitting
this form delights the IRS, which now doesn't have to spend auditing
time determining who's a potential tax cheat...you've done the work
for them! All they have to do is launch the audit, cite the crook and
take him screaming to trial.
You really are clueless.

If they DID take notice of your attempt to frame the person (because
that is what it is, you are making claims that you do not know to be
true), it would take a long time before they acted. Have you any idea
how big a case backlog they have? As for "screaming to trial" most IRS
investigations end in a voluntary agreement to settle, not a court case.
Court cases are expensive and they try to avoid them if possible,
particularly with small fish where they are unlikely to recover costs.

It is probable that nothing would happen unless the person made serious
money, and in that case, for reasons that I doubt that you, with your
total lack of fiscal clues could grasp, most would be already paying
some degree of tax. It is the losers, the bottom feeders who don't pay
any taxes at all, and they earn so little that the IRS isn't really
concerned.

Why don't you take you petty little vendetta and and wander off into the
sunset? You don't seem to be having much success here.


Salty snip

Spoken like a true eBay fraudster and tax cheat!

No, I pay all my taxes, I have a long history with a perfect feedback
score and a large groups of regulars for my auctions.

Everyone who disagrees with you isn't a fraud or a cheat and it is
childish, petty and futile to claim so.



Are you friends with Charlie Nudo, as well?

I have never heard of Charlie Nudo, but I just googled him out of
curiosity. He seems to be in a time warp with obsession with eight track
music players, but has most of his facts wrong. Claims that they were
dominant in the seventies and eighties. As I recall they were popular in
the sixties and had died by the early seventies.

He seems to have a lot in common with you, I can see why he is on your
radar. A wacko full of misinformation.


Salty

10-4 good buddy, SS DoucheBob sinking....

On 21 Feb 2007 09:22:29 -0800, "duty-honor-country" aka Charles M.
Nudo, Jr., Drums, PA, aka 66-catalina aka 66fourdoor
whined:

10-4 good buddy, SS DoucheBob sinking....

Why do you come back from psychiatric rehab, and then immediately go
back onto Usenet to show the world how mentally ill you are?

By the way, that little fabrication you told about me being a "phone
guy" was hilarious. You simply like to make your reality up as you go
along, don't you? Most paranoid delusionals do that.

Hey Noodles! Was Papa Nudo mentally ill as well? Did he beat you a
lot? Looks like someone should've chlorinated the Nudo gene pool back
in Italy before it became a problem.

Claims that they were
dominant in the seventies and eighties. As I recall they were popular in
the sixties and had died by the early seventies.

He seems to have a lot in common with you, I can see why he is on your
radar. A wacko full of misinformation.

Salty


well you're wrong there- 8-tracks were available in store until 1983,
and available through mail order clubs until 1988-89

most people in the late-1970's still had 8-track players in their cars
and homes as well

you either are too young to know better, or too old to remember
clearly

duty-honor-country wrote:
Claims that they were
dominant in the seventies and eighties. As I recall they were popular in
the sixties and had died by the early seventies.

He seems to have a lot in common with you, I can see why he is on your
radar. A wacko full of misinformation.

Salty


well you're wrong there- 8-tracks were available in store until 1983,
and available through mail order clubs until 1988-89

I did not make any comment on availability, I said that they were
"popular" in the sixties and that popularity had died by the early
seventies. Read it a again. You are so obsessive in your defence of
technology that was old and tired by the early seventies that you don't
seem to notice the difference between available and popular.

You could still buy B&W televisions in those days too. Are you going to
tell that they were popular simply because they were available? Colour
was popular, B&W was what you accepted if you couldn't afford colour.
The same with eight tracks.

I had in laws who owned a Hi-Fi business in the late seventies and
certainly did not have any new model Eight Track *players* offered by
distributors after the early seventies. The fact that the cartridges
were continued for some time to service an existing market has little to
do with popularity. I did not see them offered as standard in new cars
after '71/'72, and I have always changed my car at least every two years.


most people in the late-1970's still had 8-track players in their cars
and homes as well

Most People? Absolute garbage. By the early seventies car cassette and
cassette radio combination players were common, not eight tracks. If you
wanted to purchase a new car with an eight track you had to order it
specifically. It wasn't a standard option as there was already enormous
difficulty in finding new release songs on eight track. You had to "burn
your own" for modern music.


you either are too young to know better, or too old to remember
clearly

Neither.

My very first new car (aged seventeen - graduation present) had an eight
track, all subsequent cars had radio/cassette players. I was unhappy
about the limitations of the eight track and replaced it with a car
cassette player in 1970. It was a second hand Panasonic player taken
from a three year old wreck. I was quite pleased with it.

My last eight track was a combination unit built into an Akai reel to
reel recorder. It didn't see much use. I still have it.

Regards

Salty

His post should be entitled "How to Ruin Your Own Life". Go ahead and
file a Form 3949A then wait and see what happens to you. Did you ever
wonder why the IRS wants your name also? There is no anonymity with
this form. They want the name of the individual submitting the form
so they can try you if they find nothing. There are numerous cases of
felony perjury for bearing false witness and misrepresentation,
followed by defamation of character suits due to the Form 3949A. Do a
search and you'll find what your consequences will be if you're stupid
enough to submit one. Not only that, you'll be lucky not to wind up
in a meat grinder or in a ditch somewhere because the defending party
will be given the name of the submitting party and it won't be very
pretty, especially if you have a family.

Looks like the rightards have pooped their own pants once again!
Dunno if that is true or not, but I am a push-over for any
"pooped pants" gag.