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My problem is this. If it dries on a page and can't be washed off - ie
is virtually insoluble in water - then how on earth can it be washed out of a pen if the ink is inadvertently left to dry in one? In a gross over-simplification - probably in the same way that spaghetti sauce will rinse off a dish but leave a nasty stain on a cotton tablecloth. Yeah - Nathan's and other responses are more scientific but I think it's being made a lot less complex than it really is. I use Nalgene jars for ink storage which are plastic. The plastic is formulated and treated to prevent proteins and dyes from sticking to them. Some of the most notorious inks have resided in these jars (Penman, PR Hot Bubble Gum, WM Violet) and rinsed out easily. I'm not sayin' pens have same properties - just pointing out that when talking about adhesion and staining properties - you just can't expect paper and plastic to behave in the same manner. on that note... Paper or Plastic? :P kcat |
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the man said...
(a bunch of good stuff the impracticality of ink prejudice) Good night to all..... And the crowd breathed a soft "Amen." Rest easy - your efforts and your inks are appreciated by a large number of folks. I love Saguaro Wine, BTB. |
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Sonam Dasara wrote: That's fascinating! I'm barred in NJ and PA and there are no requirements here about ink color. After reading your reply, I asked the guys in our NY office, and there are no ink color requirements there either. They were amazed when I mentioned your reply. I guess that some states do have that requirement, and I don't know why - I'm certain that you know most document disputes are based upon impersonation or a clear forgery combined with a faulty/false/fraudulent jurat. Hi Sonam, I just did a quick "Google" search for "Blue-ink" signature requirements and found several instances where blue ink was required for an "official" or "legal" signature. Here is a link to one such requirement by the New York State Unified Court System. http://www.courts.state.ny.us/admin/...ructions.shtml Hope this helps. Best wishes, Chuck Swisher at Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com Tele: (757) 539-2209 TF: 1-888-340-PENS (7367) Fax: (757) 925-2787 Hi Curtis, |
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Hi Gordon,
In article , Gordon wrote: Sounds like Nathan's ink is based upon a reactive dye. Try a Google search on this term and you'll find a huge amount of inforation on the subject. Reactive dyes have been around for many years and provided the ones he uses exhibit long term stability in solution, I've no doubt they will do exactly what it says on the tin. RD's can be designed to react very specifically with particular materials and I would have thought using them as the basis for ink is a very neat idea. I was thinking the same thing! As an example... my wife occasionally does some tie-dye and works with some GREAT dyes that are sold by The Dharma Trading Company (http://www.dharmatrading.com/). Their dyes, used for cotton fabrics, are called "Fiber Reactive Procion Dyes." She has been using them for quite a while and they work much better than the old Rit dyes like you can get from the drug store. It's entirely concievable that Nathan's ink would be formulated in such a way that they react or bond just to the materials found in paper construction, but not bond to anything else. It's a very cool idea. I already have mine on order from Swisher's. --gordy |
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Gordon Tillman writes:
It's a very cool idea. I already have mine on order from Swisher's. I suspect that Swisher got a big surge in requests for it right after that post went out... -- Mark Atwood | When you do things right, people won't be sure | you've done anything at all. http://www.pobox.com/~mra | http://www.livejournal.com/users/fallenpegasus |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004,21:59:34, Mark Atwood wrote
Tony Stanford writes: And you've answered it. When you have a UK distributor, I'll be first in line for Noodlers black, my favourite colour. Swisher ships internationally. I know, and they offer a superb and friendly service, as I found in the past when I bought pens from them. But the cost of shipping ink is more than the ink is worth. I mean ... it's just coloured water, right? (Acknowledgement to Frank.) Tony -- ******* email sent to this address is automatically discarded ******* ************************ Please reply to the group ****************** |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004,21:55:50, Tim McNamara wrote
What I've gathered is that the ink contains an agent that binds to cellulose and to nothing (or almost nothing) else, trapping the black dye in the process. Yes, so I gathered from Nathan's later and more detailed post. Clever stuff, eh? Tony -- ******* email sent to this address is automatically discarded ******* ************************ Please reply to the group ****************** |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004,04:42:05, Scaupaug wrote
[Snip lots of good stuff] Nathan - I'm quite convinced. As a fan of black ink, I'd *love* some that doesn't fade. Trouble is, shipping costs are too much to the UK. You say you have not yet got a UK supplier. Do you have a European supplier? Shipping costs are much cheaper from Europe. Please let me know. Tony Stanford. -- ******* email sent to this address is automatically discarded ******* ************************ Please reply to the group ****************** |
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"Gordon" wrote in message
... Sounds like Nathan's ink is based upon a reactive dye. Try a Google search on this term and you'll find a huge amount of inforation on the subject. Reactive dyes have been around for many years and provided the ones he uses exhibit long term stability in solution, I've no doubt they will do exactly what it says on the tin. RD's can be designed to react very specifically with particular materials and I would have thought using them as the basis for ink is a very neat idea. Gordon Just a further thought on this subject and that concerns the long term stability of the ink as produced. I've used reactive dyes in the past for silk painting and generally made up a solution that gets used in a couple of days. Most of the manufacturers advise that these dyes have a shelf life of months, if not years, when in powder form, but this reduces to days when in solution. One or two state up to 3 months but I have been unable to find any that claim to last beyond this. I have no idea what the effects of long term storage would be but I'd be interested to be reassured that Nathan's inks will last the course. I recall Frank stating numerous times in this group that inks such as Skrip could be stored for many years with no noticeable deterioration. Reactive dyes do look like the way to go for permenance on paper and I for one am very tempted to carry out home experiments in this area, as they are easily available even in a backwater like rural Suffolk (lots of arty farty types out here who delight in dying anything that'll stand still long enough, and a few that won't). Better get the stuff shipped to the UK soon, Nathan, or we'll all be brewing our own! Gordon |
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C. wrote:
snip I am old enough to recall my grandfather keeping two sets of pens, one filled with regular ink, and one with what he called "permanent" ink. For routine matters, he used regular, washable ink. However for certain things, I recall he would use the permanent ink; in fact I had the impression it was a requirement. He kept these pens in his right shirt pocket, while the washable ones were in his left pocket. I believe this was a regular practice prior to the mass advent of ball points, and there must have been cleaning regimes since lost for fountain pens with permanent ink. I have some vintage inks, and one is "Skrip Writing Fluid" described as a permanent "successor to ink". An advertisement for the Sheaffer Snorkel pen appears on the top of the box. If I recall correctly, washable and permanent for inks such as vintage Skrip and Quink were used differently than you imply. Those terms referred to whether they could be washed easily off fabrics. Washable could be washed off within a short period of time but with time would become just as permanent as the version labeled permanent. A search of Google groups for this newsgroup should provide more info. Mark Z. |
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